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Okay, so here's what happened.
On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine
winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:40:21 -0500, John H
wrote: Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. Sounds like they're goners anyway. Looks like you were just in time. Good move. Better see if they actually winterized your boat. --Vic |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On 11/24/09 4:51 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:40:21 -0500, John wrote: Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. Sounds like they're goners anyway. Looks like you were just in time. Good move. Better see if they actually winterized your boat. --Vic Did herring find another *quality* dealer for us... -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:51:38 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:40:21 -0500, John H wrote: Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. Sounds like they're goners anyway. Looks like you were just in time. Good move. Better see if they actually winterized your boat. --Vic I'm not taking any chances. I took it to another Yamaha guy a little further down the road, Stafford Marine. Told them what happened. Told them to winterize it, even if it had already been done. I hadn't given the Dumfries folks any money, so I'm not out anything. It just takes an extra half-hour of driving to get to this place. But, that's OK. -- John H |
Okay, so here's what happened.
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Okay, so here's what happened.
"John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:51:38 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:40:21 -0500, John H wrote: Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. Sounds like they're goners anyway. Looks like you were just in time. Good move. Better see if they actually winterized your boat. --Vic I'm not taking any chances. I took it to another Yamaha guy a little further down the road, Stafford Marine. Told them what happened. Told them to winterize it, even if it had already been done. I hadn't given the Dumfries folks any money, so I'm not out anything. It just takes an extra half-hour of driving to get to this place. But, that's OK. -- John H Read that manual and winterize it yourself....... oh wait...you don't read manuals. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"John H" wrote in message
... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On 11/24/09 6:34 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. It's still not too late... :) -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene
wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. -- John H |
Okay, so here's what happened.
Don White wrote:
"John wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:51:38 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:40:21 -0500, John wrote: Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. Sounds like they're goners anyway. Looks like you were just in time. Good move. Better see if they actually winterized your boat. --Vic I'm not taking any chances. I took it to another Yamaha guy a little further down the road, Stafford Marine. Told them what happened. Told them to winterize it, even if it had already been done. I hadn't given the Dumfries folks any money, so I'm not out anything. It just takes an extra half-hour of driving to get to this place. But, that's OK. -- John H Read that manual and winterize it yourself....... oh wait...you don't read manuals. He has a big boy outboard that they don't sell at Toys R Us. Rob |
Okay, so here's what happened.
I am Tosk wrote:
In , om says... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. Have you contacted the local news and papers. This sounds like something that needs to be brought to the attention of the locals. If they are going under (sounds like it), folks should know like you to go get their boats, or any other assets they people are holding... If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust. Rob - Been there, different circumstances. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long. Rob |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"Gene" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 Beta No problem if you don't mind spending a couple of days in jail while they sort it out, and it's still illegal to damage property, trespass, etc. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"John H" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. -- John H You'd be wrong. If you remove something from someone else's property without their permission, you're subject to arrest. This nine-tenths business gets a lot of people in trouble who wouldn't have been if they just had some patience. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"Rob" wrote in message
... John H wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long. Rob Probably correct, although I'm not super familiar with bankruptcy law. It's better to err on the side of the law than risk bad things. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"Gene" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:48:07 -0500, Rob wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long. Rob You Sooooooooo don't get it. While they held the boat, John had to sue for possession. Once he had regained possession, they had to perfect a claim on HIS boat..... Maybe you think they could get the DA to arrest John for "stealing" his own property, I think not.... You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:45:42 -0500, wrote: If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to the owners. "Can" be, but don't hold your breath. Get a lawyer... spend $$$$$$$$$ See Item 3 === If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. Oh, YEAH.... ever the optimist. ASSUMING (all or any of) the parts can be found. If they have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust. Item 3=== Which is a wonderful ploy if they are trying to raid YOUR pockets to pay THEIR encumbrances... WHETHER OR NOT anything has actually been accomplished! I agree on #3 - they will nickle and dime every penny they can get for "expenses". Personal property that is in for repair is always released prior to the auction and final "tally" if it's removed in the allowed time frame. Rob |
Okay, so here's what happened.
Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:48:07 -0500, wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long. Rob You Sooooooooo don't get it. While they held the boat, John had to sue for possession. Once he had regained possession, they had to perfect a claim on HIS boat..... Maybe you think they could get the DA to arrest John for "stealing" his own property, I think not.... Wrong - unless the law varies by state (I don't believe it does). I've witnessed this first-hand. There is a designated time frame where the owners of property that is in for repair can claim it, and take it, with proper documentation. Rob |
Okay, so here's what happened.
Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:10:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. -- John H You'd be wrong. If you remove something from someone else's property without their permission, you're subject to arrest. Not when that "something" is YOUR property..... This nine-tenths business gets a lot of people in trouble who wouldn't have been if they just had some patience. Bull$hit... patience will only co$t you MANY dollar$ to recover that which i$ ALREADY YOUR$...... You can't "steal" something that you OWN...... If you have to enter private property to do it you can have problems. Rob |
Okay, so here's what happened.
Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene wrote: You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. Let point to why I think you are wrong: "In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent." Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft! The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area. Rob |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On 11/24/09 8:57 PM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:41:12 -0500, wrote: Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:48:07 -0500, wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long. Rob You Sooooooooo don't get it. While they held the boat, John had to sue for possession. Once he had regained possession, they had to perfect a claim on HIS boat..... Maybe you think they could get the DA to arrest John for "stealing" his own property, I think not.... Wrong - unless the law varies by state (I don't believe it does). I've witnessed this first-hand. There is a designated time frame where the owners of property that is in for repair can claim it, and take it, with proper documentation. Rob Rob, I don't know where you live and I won't troll for that...... BUT.... I urge you to explore your laws and justify how a person can "STEAL" his own property. IOW.... if I come to your property and liberate your boat, your point is...... what? What do you have to do to recover your property once locked in my lot? I'll lie and say that you gave me the property for repair.... now... defend yourself..... "Rob" is just the latest sock puppet of "DanKrueger," who claims to live in Florida. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"Gene" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:13:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Gene" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:48:07 -0500, Rob wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long. Rob You Sooooooooo don't get it. While they held the boat, John had to sue for possession. Once he had regained possession, they had to perfect a claim on HIS boat..... Maybe you think they could get the DA to arrest John for "stealing" his own property, I think not.... You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. We'll let me assure you this..... having been there? I'll be wrong, take my chances.... and feel very sure that I'll be fine..... I think you think anecdotal evidence is valid for making conclusions. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"Gene" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene wrote: You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. Let point to why I think you are wrong: "In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent." Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft! -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 Beta Yes, but there's the rub. You would end up in court and might very well prevail on that point. You still initially go to jail. Additionally, this would not excuse illegal trespass, perhaps damage to someone else's property in your recovery of said property. You might walk, but you might be fined or even jailed if it was egregious. Look at a limiting case... you know someone stole your watch. You know he's got in his apartment. So, when he's not there, you break down the door, rifle through his stuff, break a few things, find your watch, then leave. Someone sees you leave. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"Gene" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, Rob wrote: Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene wrote: You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. Let point to why I think you are wrong: "In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent." Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft! The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area. Rob Really? Not when I recovered MY boat..... sorry..... so , sue me...... Well, the circumstances are different that what John described. Thus, the law is different. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"Gene" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:11:54 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Rob" wrote in message om... John H wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long. Rob Probably correct, although I'm not super familiar with bankruptcy law. It's better to err on the side of the law than risk bad things. When it is YOUR property...... WRONG. See my other response. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"Gene" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:10:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H" wrote in message om... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. -- John H You'd be wrong. If you remove something from someone else's property without their permission, you're subject to arrest. Not when that "something" is YOUR property..... This nine-tenths business gets a lot of people in trouble who wouldn't have been if they just had some patience. Bull$hit... patience will only co$t you MANY dollar$ to recover that which i$ ALREADY YOUR$...... You can't "steal" something that you OWN...... Feel free to excercise your supposed rights. I'm not your lawyer, and I'm not going to attempt to advise you on the correct action. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"Gene" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:42:23 -0500, Rob wrote: Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:10:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. -- John H You'd be wrong. If you remove something from someone else's property without their permission, you're subject to arrest. Not when that "something" is YOUR property..... This nine-tenths business gets a lot of people in trouble who wouldn't have been if they just had some patience. Bull$hit... patience will only co$t you MANY dollar$ to recover that which i$ ALREADY YOUR$...... You can't "steal" something that you OWN...... If you have to enter private property to do it you can have problems. Rob Wrong.... as every Fuller Brush Man knows........ post No Trespassing signs....... maybe a different situation..... No, there's a presumption of private property involved also... just like a presumption of privacy. Sorry. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Gene" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:09:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Gene" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H" wrote in message m... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 Beta No problem if you don't mind spending a couple of days in jail while they sort it out, and it's still illegal to damage property, trespass, etc. Been there, done that..... by the rules..... (which in hindsight and with knowledge of the law) was really stupid. Knowing what I know, now..... and with previous counsel of attorneys..... John was prepared to take the ONLY sane WISE course of action available to him. Pretend you are the DA.... tell me why you are arresting me for "stealing" property for which I have a Certificate of Title. Want to try to make that breaking and entering charge stick without proof? Try me, I'll have your ass...... Here's a thought exercise for you... DA: Did you or did you not enter SoSo's property without permission? Gene: It was my boat. DA: Non-responsive. Would the court please direct the witness to answer the question. Judge: Answer the question. Gene: Yes. DA: Did you damage SoSo's property in the act of removing the boat from said property? Gene: I cut a lock that was holding my boat. DA: Non-responsive. Would the court please direct the witness to answer the question. Judge: Answer the question. Gene: Yes. DA: I rest my case. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Gene" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:07:09 -0500, H the K wrote: "Rob" is just the latest sock puppet of "DanKrueger," who claims to live in Florida. It doesn't really matter. These folks need a real world wake-up and I have attorney receipts (and others) that attest to the dangers of dealing with "Jaysus" people. The last one ripped us off for $2500. Sooner or later, my wife and others, who would like to take these people at face value, will get it. There are those who play the system like a violin..... and we need to be wiser and more savvy than those folks or they'll drain us for ever drop of blood we have.... I assume you're talking about lawyer... Yes, "let's kill all the lawyers." http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-qu...ll-all-lawyers Sniff... -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:22:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Gene" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:09:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Gene" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H" wrote in message om... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 Beta No problem if you don't mind spending a couple of days in jail while they sort it out, and it's still illegal to damage property, trespass, etc. Been there, done that..... by the rules..... (which in hindsight and with knowledge of the law) was really stupid. Knowing what I know, now..... and with previous counsel of attorneys..... John was prepared to take the ONLY sane WISE course of action available to him. Pretend you are the DA.... tell me why you are arresting me for "stealing" property for which I have a Certificate of Title. Want to try to make that breaking and entering charge stick without proof? Try me, I'll have your ass...... Here's a thought exercise for you... DA: Did you or did you not enter SoSo's property without permission? He didn't respond to my phone calls and during three visits to the property during business hours, he was not on the premises. The premises appeared to have been abandoned and I didn't want my boat to be interpretted as abandoned. Gene: It was my boat. DA: Non-responsive. Would the court please direct the witness to answer the question. Judge: Answer the question. Gene: Yes. DA: Did you damage SoSo's property in the act of removing the boat from said property? I had full intention of reimbursing SoSo's cost of the security device, if I could *find a way to get a hold of him.* Judge: Well Gene, seems like you took matters into your own hands and normally we'd frown on such an act. But under the circumstances I understand your concern and think you conducted yourself in a reasonable manner. We'll drop all charges when you've made restitution to the scum bag who didn't bother to call you to let you know they were going under. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Gene" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:48:07 -0500, Rob wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long. Rob You Sooooooooo don't get it. While they held the boat, John had to sue for possession. Once he had regained possession, they had to perfect a claim on HIS boat..... Maybe you think they could get the DA to arrest John for "stealing" his own property, I think not.... You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. -- Nom=de=Plume Wonder what would have happened if Johnny cut the chain and left the yard open after he left, exposing any other boats to theft by the first non desirable who came along. |
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"John H" wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H Good on you for getting your boat back. Bad on you for taking yourself so damn long. You're lucky you got it back at all, as in that much time, it could have floated out of there, never to be seen again. A good deed to those people who were losing their business, yet had enough decency not to sell your boat for parts to the first scavenger who came along. Steve |
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"Don White" wrote Read that manual and winterize it yourself....... oh wait...you don't read manuals. Probably doesn't have the thirty minutes it takes to "winterize". Steve |
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"Don White" wrote in message
... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Gene" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:48:07 -0500, Rob wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long. Rob You Sooooooooo don't get it. While they held the boat, John had to sue for possession. Once he had regained possession, they had to perfect a claim on HIS boat..... Maybe you think they could get the DA to arrest John for "stealing" his own property, I think not.... You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. -- Nom=de=Plume Wonder what would have happened if Johnny cut the chain and left the yard open after he left, exposing any other boats to theft by the first non desirable who came along. Whew... that would be bad news... the prosecutor would be much less inclined to give someone a breat I'm betting. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Gene" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:26:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Gene" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:07:09 -0500, H the K wrote: "Rob" is just the latest sock puppet of "DanKrueger," who claims to live in Florida. It doesn't really matter. These folks need a real world wake-up and I have attorney receipts (and others) that attest to the dangers of dealing with "Jaysus" people. The last one ripped us off for $2500. Sooner or later, my wife and others, who would like to take these people at face value, will get it. There are those who play the system like a violin..... and we need to be wiser and more savvy than those folks or they'll drain us for ever drop of blood we have.... I assume you're talking about lawyer... Yes, "let's kill all the lawyers." http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-qu...ll-all-lawyers Sniff... No, I'm not. I'm talking about crooks who hire mercenary attorneys. Ah.. ok, I'll wipe my nose. :) -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"jps" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:22:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Gene" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:09:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Gene" wrote in message m... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:cmjog5pf3q1n5mf5nongv4l517jtd4m6so@4ax. com... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 Beta No problem if you don't mind spending a couple of days in jail while they sort it out, and it's still illegal to damage property, trespass, etc. Been there, done that..... by the rules..... (which in hindsight and with knowledge of the law) was really stupid. Knowing what I know, now..... and with previous counsel of attorneys..... John was prepared to take the ONLY sane WISE course of action available to him. Pretend you are the DA.... tell me why you are arresting me for "stealing" property for which I have a Certificate of Title. Want to try to make that breaking and entering charge stick without proof? Try me, I'll have your ass...... Here's a thought exercise for you... DA: Did you or did you not enter SoSo's property without permission? He didn't respond to my phone calls and during three visits to the property during business hours, he was not on the premises. The premises appeared to have been abandoned and I didn't want my boat to be interpretted as abandoned. Gene: It was my boat. DA: Non-responsive. Would the court please direct the witness to answer the question. Judge: Answer the question. Gene: Yes. DA: Did you damage SoSo's property in the act of removing the boat from said property? I had full intention of reimbursing SoSo's cost of the security device, if I could *find a way to get a hold of him.* Judge: Well Gene, seems like you took matters into your own hands and normally we'd frown on such an act. But under the circumstances I understand your concern and think you conducted yourself in a reasonable manner. We'll drop all charges when you've made restitution to the scum bag who didn't bother to call you to let you know they were going under. Maybe... it would have to be pretty obviously abandoned property. A few calls and a few tries probably wouldn't be enough. You can't break laws to prevent someone else from breaking the law. Also, using "intention" as a defense might work, but lots of people claim that... it wasn't my "intention" to kill him, but my hand slipped and the gun went off. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"Gene" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:22:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Gene" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:09:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Gene" wrote in message m... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:cmjog5pf3q1n5mf5nongv4l517jtd4m6so@4ax. com... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 Beta No problem if you don't mind spending a couple of days in jail while they sort it out, and it's still illegal to damage property, trespass, etc. Been there, done that..... by the rules..... (which in hindsight and with knowledge of the law) was really stupid. Knowing what I know, now..... and with previous counsel of attorneys..... John was prepared to take the ONLY sane WISE course of action available to him. Pretend you are the DA.... tell me why you are arresting me for "stealing" property for which I have a Certificate of Title. Want to try to make that breaking and entering charge stick without proof? Try me, I'll have your ass...... Here's a thought exercise for you... Here's reality: DA: Did you or did you not enter SoSo's property without permission? Gene: There was nobody there to say no.... DA: Was the gate locked? Gene: Yes. DA: If my front door is locked and nobody answers, do you think it's ok to break the lock and walk in? DA: Non-responsive. Would the court please direct the witness to answer the question. Judge: Answer the question. Gene: No. DA: Did you damage SoSo's property in the act of removing the boat from said property? Gene: Me? What? DA: What about the witness that watched you break the lock? Gene: Ummmm.... DA: Non-responsive. Would the court please direct the witness to answer the question. Judge: Answer the question. Gene: Yes. DA: Oh, ****! Oh, ****? You just made his case. Your version? Screwed up! My version... more like what you learn in law school. :) -- Nom=de=Plume |
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