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Okay, so here's what happened.
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:55:11 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Rob" wrote in message m... If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust. Rob - Been there, different circumstances. It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the assets and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the bankruptcy court plows through all the records. It can take months. I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida. I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place. The bank called a note on them and they were forced into Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at the yard. Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel gate that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a van pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up behind him and entered as well. The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were "closed". By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck around him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my boat. He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard had been frozen by the court. He ran into the building to call somebody. Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy came out and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to the van and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on. I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to fill up the tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the town and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again. Eisboch Good move. I think there's something to that 'possession is nine-tenths' bit. Anyway, I feel much better having the boat back under my control. And, glad to see you're still alive and kicking. How's the shop? From your web site it appears to be doing well. I know nothing of guitars, so don't stick my head in your door. Hope you have a great Thanksgiving and that all are well. -- John H |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... John H wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:36:24 -0500, Rob wrote: Don White wrote: "John wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:51:38 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:40:21 -0500, John wrote: Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. Sounds like they're goners anyway. Looks like you were just in time. Good move. Better see if they actually winterized your boat. --Vic I'm not taking any chances. I took it to another Yamaha guy a little further down the road, Stafford Marine. Told them what happened. Told them to winterize it, even if it had already been done. I hadn't given the Dumfries folks any money, so I'm not out anything. It just takes an extra half-hour of driving to get to this place. But, that's OK. -- John H Read that manual and winterize it yourself....... oh wait...you don't read manuals. He has a big boy outboard that they don't sell at Toys R Us. Rob And a *new* big boy outboard. Once the warranty has expired, *then* I'll start doing this stuff myself. Up until then I figure I'll help out the local marina economy. When you've got all the money I have (~snerk~), a hundred bucks once a year isn't going to hurt anything! When it comes time to DIY be sure to consult with Donnie and the Plum. Donny has a little rope pull kicker and the plum once owned half interest in a 14 ft hobie. Glad you got your boat back without undue problems. You're half right...which is better than usual. I do own a 1954/55 British Seagull 40 Plus that requires a starter rope to be wound around the flywheel. On my Princecraft Yukon I'm all electric start...... both the 25hp Johnson and the Minn Kota. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"H the K" wrote in message ... On 11/25/09 7:52 AM, Don White wrote: "John wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote: Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene wrote: You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. Let point to why I think you are wrong: "In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent." Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft! The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area. Rob No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that the boat could be pilfered. I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it. -- John H Well this is a different scenario that we were led to believe. In this case I would have gone in and recovered my property too...assuming it was on 'common tenant ground' behind a mall. I'd claim they abandoned it. So...there's no chance herring might be arrested? Too bad. Can you imagine him locked up behind bars? All his crying & whinning would drive the cops foolish. Maybe they could put him to work in the galley...baking muffins for the other prisoners. |
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Okay, so here's what happened.
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:29:51 -0500, i am Tosk
wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:55:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Rob" wrote in message m... If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust. Rob - Been there, different circumstances. It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the assets and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the bankruptcy court plows through all the records. It can take months. I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida. I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place. The bank called a note on them and they were forced into Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at the yard. Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel gate that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a van pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up behind him and entered as well. The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were "closed". By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck around him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my boat. He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard had been frozen by the court. He ran into the building to call somebody. Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy came out and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to the van and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on. I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to fill up the tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the town and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again. Eisboch;) Good move. I think there's something to that 'possession is nine-tenths' bit. Anyway, I feel much better having the boat back under my control. And, glad to see you're still alive and kicking. How's the shop? From your web site it appears to be doing well. I know nothing of guitars, so don't stick my head in your door. Hope you have a great Thanksgiving and that all are well. Yeah, on Dec. 5 Tom and I are going up to the shop and I am gonna' have my special guitar looked at. Might need a neck tweak! I didn't cut my hair, and I ain't giving up my hat, so I may have to drive myself;) Well, I do have a newer hat I may consider, but it's not broke in yet (not smelly yet) If he still had those speakers, and if it were a nice enough day for a bike ride, I might would join you! Sounds like fun, even if you have to ride in the back. If I were you I'd get a haircut. That stuff gets caught up between the chain and the sprockets, and you might throw a chain. Be a damn shame to hurt a good bike 'cause of pretty hair. -- John H |
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Okay, so here's what happened.
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:34:58 -0500, John H
wrote: No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that the boat could be pilfered. I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it. hehe. Been a long-winded argument - about nothing. Anyway, I come down on the "take the boat home side." That de plume DA/judge/defendent dialog is dark fiction. How it really works is all these guys start talking about boats and all the fishing Colonel John Herring (Retired) was missing because this place had kidnapped his new boat. Case dismissed. All speculation of course, but you do what you gotta do. One time I came home from work on a Friday, having got a nice raise. Wanted to get home and give the wife the good news. The guy in front of me was a classic slowpoke, and I finally got a little ****ed, seeing he was going to make me miss another light. Dropped my F-150 into first, opened that 352 up, and popped the clutch. Fishtailed around him, tires squealing, moved into second, and was doing 50 in a 25 by the time I hit the light on Central Park. It turned red just as I got there, but I was through it before anybody could move. Let off the gas and heard that beautiful exhaust purr/growl the 352 is famous for. Famous to me anyway. First V-8 I rebuilt myself. As I pulled into the 7/11 a couple blocks past the light to pick up a gallon of milk I see a police cruiser in my mirror - barreling though the now green light. I was parked and walking toward the store door as the cruiser squealed into the parking lot, and the 2 cops jumped out of the car. I know they got me for reckless driving, speeding 50 in a 25, and running a red. But since hope springs eternal I just pretended nothing had happened until the young one yelled at me with a "Hey! Where you going?!" So I stopped and walked over to them with a smile. "Hey guys. Getting some milk for the kids. What's going on?." The young guy was really ****ed, like he waned to cuff me, but the older one, maybe 50 or so, was relaxed. He was in charge. "You in a hurry?" "Sort of. Just got a raise and I wanted to get home and tell the wife. Sorry about that. Been following that guy for 3 missed lights and he never got over 20. My fault." The cop says, "Good raise?" "Yeah, they took me on as an intern, and hired me today. 50 percent." I was smiling ear to ear just thinking about it. Cop says "Wow. Nice. I'm retiring myself - in 2 months." I say "No kidding. You're a young guy. Whatcha gonna do?" Cop says, "I bought a little dairy farm up in Wisconsin, near Ladysmith." That's way up there. North of Minneapolis. "No ****!," says I. "It's beautiful there. I take the family to Grindstone every year for our vacation. Man, it's good fishing." So we start talking Grindstone, Hayward and Wisconsin fishing. I think this guy bought a dairy farm just to get close to the fishing. Probably how he sold the move to Wisconsin to his wife. In the meantime, the young cop, who had his ticket book out, had started fidgeting, then shaking his head, then stormed back to the cruiser, slamming the door. Not a fisherman. Me and Al - we got on a first name basis - continued to talk fishing for a while, then he cut let me loose with a warning, and we all went about our business. Told me to be careful, and I said I would be. And I was - for a while. Al was a nice guy. Met some good Chicago cops in my reckless driving days. Always wondered how that dairy farm worked out for him. Anyway, a smile and an apology often beats the rap. If you can talk fishing, it's almost a lock. And give the Irishmen some blarney. You a good smiler, John? --Vic .. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
Don White wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message ... On 11/25/09 7:52 AM, Don White wrote: "John wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote: Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene wrote: You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. Let point to why I think you are wrong: "In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent." Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft! The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area. Rob No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that the boat could be pilfered. I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it. -- John H Well this is a different scenario that we were led to believe. In this case I would have gone in and recovered my property too...assuming it was on 'common tenant ground' behind a mall. I'd claim they abandoned it. So...there's no chance herring might be arrested? Too bad. Can you imagine him locked up behind bars? All his crying & whinning would drive the cops foolish. Maybe they could put him to work in the galley...baking muffins for the other prisoners. Can you imagine what would happen if we left rec.boats? No one would ever talk about boats. I like the way you included the word galley in your post, but the idiots in rec.boats don't even know what a galley is. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:41:23 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:34:58 -0500, John H wrote: No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that the boat could be pilfered. I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it. hehe. Been a long-winded argument - about nothing. Anyway, I come down on the "take the boat home side." That de plume DA/judge/defendent dialog is dark fiction. How it really works is all these guys start talking about boats and all the fishing Colonel John Herring (Retired) was missing because this place had kidnapped his new boat. Case dismissed. All speculation of course, but you do what you gotta do. One time I came home from work on a Friday, having got a nice raise. Wanted to get home and give the wife the good news. The guy in front of me was a classic slowpoke, and I finally got a little ****ed, seeing he was going to make me miss another light. Dropped my F-150 into first, opened that 352 up, and popped the clutch. Fishtailed around him, tires squealing, moved into second, and was doing 50 in a 25 by the time I hit the light on Central Park. It turned red just as I got there, but I was through it before anybody could move. Let off the gas and heard that beautiful exhaust purr/growl the 352 is famous for. Famous to me anyway. First V-8 I rebuilt myself. As I pulled into the 7/11 a couple blocks past the light to pick up a gallon of milk I see a police cruiser in my mirror - barreling though the now green light. I was parked and walking toward the store door as the cruiser squealed into the parking lot, and the 2 cops jumped out of the car. I know they got me for reckless driving, speeding 50 in a 25, and running a red. But since hope springs eternal I just pretended nothing had happened until the young one yelled at me with a "Hey! Where you going?!" So I stopped and walked over to them with a smile. "Hey guys. Getting some milk for the kids. What's going on?." The young guy was really ****ed, like he waned to cuff me, but the older one, maybe 50 or so, was relaxed. He was in charge. "You in a hurry?" "Sort of. Just got a raise and I wanted to get home and tell the wife. Sorry about that. Been following that guy for 3 missed lights and he never got over 20. My fault." The cop says, "Good raise?" "Yeah, they took me on as an intern, and hired me today. 50 percent." I was smiling ear to ear just thinking about it. Cop says "Wow. Nice. I'm retiring myself - in 2 months." I say "No kidding. You're a young guy. Whatcha gonna do?" Cop says, "I bought a little dairy farm up in Wisconsin, near Ladysmith." That's way up there. North of Minneapolis. "No ****!," says I. "It's beautiful there. I take the family to Grindstone every year for our vacation. Man, it's good fishing." So we start talking Grindstone, Hayward and Wisconsin fishing. I think this guy bought a dairy farm just to get close to the fishing. Probably how he sold the move to Wisconsin to his wife. In the meantime, the young cop, who had his ticket book out, had started fidgeting, then shaking his head, then stormed back to the cruiser, slamming the door. Not a fisherman. Me and Al - we got on a first name basis - continued to talk fishing for a while, then he cut let me loose with a warning, and we all went about our business. Told me to be careful, and I said I would be. And I was - for a while. Al was a nice guy. Met some good Chicago cops in my reckless driving days. Always wondered how that dairy farm worked out for him. Anyway, a smile and an apology often beats the rap. If you can talk fishing, it's almost a lock. And give the Irishmen some blarney. You a good smiler, John? --Vic . Yup. I have two bro's that are retired cops. I find getting along with them real easy. Good story. Thanks. Smiler? You bet. You must have missed the picture giving Harry, Donny, et al, something to talk about. http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v229/167...32218_8642.jpg -- John H |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"John H" wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:41:23 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:34:58 -0500, John H wrote: No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that the boat could be pilfered. I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it. hehe. Been a long-winded argument - about nothing. Anyway, I come down on the "take the boat home side." That de plume DA/judge/defendent dialog is dark fiction. How it really works is all these guys start talking about boats and all the fishing Colonel John Herring (Retired) was missing because this place had kidnapped his new boat. Case dismissed. All speculation of course, but you do what you gotta do. One time I came home from work on a Friday, having got a nice raise. Wanted to get home and give the wife the good news. The guy in front of me was a classic slowpoke, and I finally got a little ****ed, seeing he was going to make me miss another light. Dropped my F-150 into first, opened that 352 up, and popped the clutch. Fishtailed around him, tires squealing, moved into second, and was doing 50 in a 25 by the time I hit the light on Central Park. It turned red just as I got there, but I was through it before anybody could move. Let off the gas and heard that beautiful exhaust purr/growl the 352 is famous for. Famous to me anyway. First V-8 I rebuilt myself. As I pulled into the 7/11 a couple blocks past the light to pick up a gallon of milk I see a police cruiser in my mirror - barreling though the now green light. I was parked and walking toward the store door as the cruiser squealed into the parking lot, and the 2 cops jumped out of the car. I know they got me for reckless driving, speeding 50 in a 25, and running a red. But since hope springs eternal I just pretended nothing had happened until the young one yelled at me with a "Hey! Where you going?!" So I stopped and walked over to them with a smile. "Hey guys. Getting some milk for the kids. What's going on?." The young guy was really ****ed, like he waned to cuff me, but the older one, maybe 50 or so, was relaxed. He was in charge. "You in a hurry?" "Sort of. Just got a raise and I wanted to get home and tell the wife. Sorry about that. Been following that guy for 3 missed lights and he never got over 20. My fault." The cop says, "Good raise?" "Yeah, they took me on as an intern, and hired me today. 50 percent." I was smiling ear to ear just thinking about it. Cop says "Wow. Nice. I'm retiring myself - in 2 months." I say "No kidding. You're a young guy. Whatcha gonna do?" Cop says, "I bought a little dairy farm up in Wisconsin, near Ladysmith." That's way up there. North of Minneapolis. "No ****!," says I. "It's beautiful there. I take the family to Grindstone every year for our vacation. Man, it's good fishing." So we start talking Grindstone, Hayward and Wisconsin fishing. I think this guy bought a dairy farm just to get close to the fishing. Probably how he sold the move to Wisconsin to his wife. In the meantime, the young cop, who had his ticket book out, had started fidgeting, then shaking his head, then stormed back to the cruiser, slamming the door. Not a fisherman. Me and Al - we got on a first name basis - continued to talk fishing for a while, then he cut let me loose with a warning, and we all went about our business. Told me to be careful, and I said I would be. And I was - for a while. Al was a nice guy. Met some good Chicago cops in my reckless driving days. Always wondered how that dairy farm worked out for him. Anyway, a smile and an apology often beats the rap. If you can talk fishing, it's almost a lock. And give the Irishmen some blarney. You a good smiler, John? --Vic . Yup. I have two bro's that are retired cops. I find getting along with them real easy. Good story. Thanks. Smiler? You bet. You must have missed the picture giving Harry, Donny, et al, something to talk about. http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v229/167...32218_8642.jpg -- John H Please...that would be considered torture in a civilized country. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:24:12 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote The DA's have enough cases, they do not want to screw around with this crap. And also if in Calif, they have to release people from jail to reduce numbers and cost. You think the DA is going to spend any time or money on a case like this? I would say that 99% of what happens is going to happen within the first 15 minutes IF a cop came, and what the attitude was, and if the person had their paperwork showing a right to claim the boat. Even the cops have better things to do, and they probably wouldn't be there five minutes before being dispatched on something more important. Steve There's a Dunkin' Donuts right down the road. -- John H |
Okay, so here's what happened.
nom=de=plume wrote:
Probably. I read it over again, and I didn't see a mention of it being behind a gate, so they're probably let it go. Just remember though, trespass is valid even if there's no gate. You just have to be careful. If someone saw him cutting a lock and the police showed, he'd better be able to prove it's his boat. They might let him split, but you never know. As usual. You just never know. I'll be out in your neck of the woods on business soon. What say we get together and share a Corona or two? -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
nom=de=plume wrote:
Like I said, maybe. Clearly, the property wasn't abandoned, since someone was there at the end of John's story. Of course, without the complete facts, it's hard to know what would happen. We were all waiting for this enlightenment. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
Nope... Permission needs to be explicit. Not giving permission is implied by said lock. -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Uh, what lock? The lock on the hitch I believe. -- Nom=de=Plume Tell them it was your lock and no spare key. What lock? What's all this talk about a lock? Sheesh. It ceased to be a lock when Johnny threw it in the trash. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On 11/25/09 11:55 AM, H the K wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: Like I said, maybe. Clearly, the property wasn't abandoned, since someone was there at the end of John's story. Of course, without the complete facts, it's hard to know what would happen. We were all waiting for this enlightenment. Spoofed post. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On 11/25/09 11:51 AM, H the K wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: Probably. I read it over again, and I didn't see a mention of it being behind a gate, so they're probably let it go. Just remember though, trespass is valid even if there's no gate. You just have to be careful. If someone saw him cutting a lock and the police showed, he'd better be able to prove it's his boat. They might let him split, but you never know. As usual. You just never know. I'll be out in your neck of the woods on business soon. What say we get together and share a Corona or two? Spoofed post. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On 11/25/09 12:00 PM, H the K wrote:
Nope... Permission needs to be explicit. Not giving permission is implied by said lock. -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Uh, what lock? The lock on the hitch I believe. -- Nom=de=Plume Tell them it was your lock and no spare key. What lock? What's all this talk about a lock? Sheesh. It ceased to be a lock when Johnny threw it in the trash. Spoofed post |
Okay, so here's what happened.
nom=de=plume wrote:
Sure thing. I've seen cases where they take the suspect in anyway. It's not uncommon. They haul in anyone and everyone, then sort it out later. I'm not sure it's worth spending the afternoon or perhaps night in common lockup. Please don't tell me you are an unemployed lawyer now. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On 11/25/09 12:03 PM, H the K wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: Sure thing. I've seen cases where they take the suspect in anyway. It's not uncommon. They haul in anyone and everyone, then sort it out later. I'm not sure it's worth spending the afternoon or perhaps night in common lockup. Please don't tell me you are an unemployed lawyer now. Spoofed post. I don't post through aioe.org. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:00:35 -0500, Gene wrote:
Really? Not when I recovered MY boat..... sorry..... so , sue me...... Exactly, I'd take the boat. Bottom line, a company going bankrupt has a hell of a lot more problems than someone taking their own boat. Chances are they wouldn't bother even bother to call the cops. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message ... John H wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:36:24 -0500, Rob wrote: Don White wrote: "John wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:51:38 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:40:21 -0500, John wrote: Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. Sounds like they're goners anyway. Looks like you were just in time. Good move. Better see if they actually winterized your boat. --Vic I'm not taking any chances. I took it to another Yamaha guy a little further down the road, Stafford Marine. Told them what happened. Told them to winterize it, even if it had already been done. I hadn't given the Dumfries folks any money, so I'm not out anything. It just takes an extra half-hour of driving to get to this place. But, that's OK. -- John H Read that manual and winterize it yourself....... oh wait...you don't read manuals. He has a big boy outboard that they don't sell at Toys R Us. Rob And a *new* big boy outboard. Once the warranty has expired, *then* I'll start doing this stuff myself. Up until then I figure I'll help out the local marina economy. When you've got all the money I have (~snerk~), a hundred bucks once a year isn't going to hurt anything! When it comes time to DIY be sure to consult with Donnie and the Plum. Donny has a little rope pull kicker and the plum once owned half interest in a 14 ft hobie. Glad you got your boat back without undue problems. You're half right...which is better than usual. I do own a 1954/55 British Seagull 40 Plus that requires a starter rope to be wound around the flywheel. On my Princecraft Yukon I'm all electric start...... both the 25hp Johnson and the Minn Kota. Pansy. That's it. You're off my team. Who ever heard of a real man with an electric start 25 HP outboard motor. What color is it? Pink I suppose, to match your Toyota beer hauler. And learn to drink responsibly. One six pack of Corona should last you all year like it does for me. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On 11/25/09 12:14 PM, H the K wrote:
Don White wrote: Pansy. That's it. You're off my team. Who ever heard of a real man with an electric start 25 HP outboard motor. What color is it? Pink I suppose, to match your Toyota beer hauler. And learn to drink responsibly. One six pack of Corona should last you all year like it does for me. Another spoofed message from the suckpuppet with no life. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote The DA's have enough cases, they do not want to screw around with this crap. And also if in Calif, they have to release people from jail to reduce numbers and cost. You think the DA is going to spend any time or money on a case like this? I would say that 99% of what happens is going to happen within the first 15 minutes IF a cop came, and what the attitude was, and if the person had their paperwork showing a right to claim the boat. Even the cops have better things to do, and they probably wouldn't be there five minutes before being dispatched on something more important. Steve |
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In article , naled245111
@mypacks.net says... Don White wrote: "H the K" wrote in message ... On 11/25/09 7:52 AM, Don White wrote: "John wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote: Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene wrote: You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. Let point to why I think you are wrong: "In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent." Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft! The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area. Rob No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that the boat could be pilfered. I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it. -- John H Well this is a different scenario that we were led to believe. In this case I would have gone in and recovered my property too...assuming it was on 'common tenant ground' behind a mall. I'd claim they abandoned it. So...there's no chance herring might be arrested? Too bad. Can you imagine him locked up behind bars? All his crying & whinning would drive the cops foolish. Maybe they could put him to work in the galley...baking muffins for the other prisoners. Can you imagine what would happen if we left rec.boats? No one would ever talk about boats. I like the way you included the word galley in your post, but the idiots in rec.boats don't even know what a galley is. Please. Leave and try it. Take your suck buddy Don with you, you fat piece of ****. -- WAFA the newsgroup liar free! |
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"H the K" wrote in message ... Pansy. That's it. You're off my team. Who ever heard of a real man with an electric start 25 HP outboard motor. What color is it? Pink I suppose, to match your Toyota beer hauler. And learn to drink responsibly. One six pack of Corona should last you all year like it does for me. -- Careful Jackoff...the previous owner may be moving to a spot near you in the future |
Okay, so here's what happened.
Don White wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message ... Pansy. That's it. You're off my team. Who ever heard of a real man with an electric start 25 HP outboard motor. What color is it? Pink I suppose, to match your Toyota beer hauler. And learn to drink responsibly. One six pack of Corona should last you all year like it does for me. -- Careful Jackoff...the previous owner may be moving to a spot near you in the future I am so sorry rec.boats is so full of these idiots, it used to be a great place to meet and have an intelligent conversation. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On 11/25/09 1:43 PM, H the K wrote:
Don White wrote: "H the K" wrote in message ... Pansy. That's it. You're off my team. Who ever heard of a real man with an electric start 25 HP outboard motor. What color is it? Pink I suppose, to match your Toyota beer hauler. And learn to drink responsibly. One six pack of Corona should last you all year like it does for me. -- Careful Jackoff...the previous owner may be moving to a spot near you in the future I am so sorry rec.boats is so full of these idiots, it used to be a great place to meet and have an intelligent conversation. Newsgroups: rec.boats Subject: You've seen sardines... Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:45:27 -0500 Organization: Huntingtown Liars Club Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 2qLwsm9NBOmVbUhwebizGA.user.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * X-Complaints-To: * X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091125-1, 11/25/2009), Outbound message Cancel-Lock: sha1:+Vzhq97rGhEb+y39X3pfTUoog+s= * User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) * I don't use aioe.org or windoze. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:41:23 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:34:58 -0500, John H wrote: No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that the boat could be pilfered. I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it. hehe. Been a long-winded argument - about nothing. Anyway, I come down on the "take the boat home side." That de plume DA/judge/defendent dialog is dark fiction. How it really works is all these guys start talking about boats and all the fishing Colonel John Herring (Retired) was missing because this place had kidnapped his new boat. Case dismissed. All speculation of course, but you do what you gotta do. One time I came home from work on a Friday, having got a nice raise. Wanted to get home and give the wife the good news. The guy in front of me was a classic slowpoke, and I finally got a little ****ed, seeing he was going to make me miss another light. Dropped my F-150 into first, opened that 352 up, and popped the clutch. Fishtailed around him, tires squealing, moved into second, and was doing 50 in a 25 by the time I hit the light on Central Park. It turned red just as I got there, but I was through it before anybody could move. Let off the gas and heard that beautiful exhaust purr/growl the 352 is famous for. Famous to me anyway. First V-8 I rebuilt myself. As I pulled into the 7/11 a couple blocks past the light to pick up a gallon of milk I see a police cruiser in my mirror - barreling though the now green light. I was parked and walking toward the store door as the cruiser squealed into the parking lot, and the 2 cops jumped out of the car. I know they got me for reckless driving, speeding 50 in a 25, and running a red. But since hope springs eternal I just pretended nothing had happened until the young one yelled at me with a "Hey! Where you going?!" So I stopped and walked over to them with a smile. "Hey guys. Getting some milk for the kids. What's going on?." The young guy was really ****ed, like he waned to cuff me, but the older one, maybe 50 or so, was relaxed. He was in charge. "You in a hurry?" "Sort of. Just got a raise and I wanted to get home and tell the wife. Sorry about that. Been following that guy for 3 missed lights and he never got over 20. My fault." The cop says, "Good raise?" "Yeah, they took me on as an intern, and hired me today. 50 percent." I was smiling ear to ear just thinking about it. Cop says "Wow. Nice. I'm retiring myself - in 2 months." I say "No kidding. You're a young guy. Whatcha gonna do?" Cop says, "I bought a little dairy farm up in Wisconsin, near Ladysmith." That's way up there. North of Minneapolis. "No ****!," says I. "It's beautiful there. I take the family to Grindstone every year for our vacation. Man, it's good fishing." So we start talking Grindstone, Hayward and Wisconsin fishing. I think this guy bought a dairy farm just to get close to the fishing. Probably how he sold the move to Wisconsin to his wife. In the meantime, the young cop, who had his ticket book out, had started fidgeting, then shaking his head, then stormed back to the cruiser, slamming the door. Not a fisherman. Me and Al - we got on a first name basis - continued to talk fishing for a while, then he cut let me loose with a warning, and we all went about our business. Told me to be careful, and I said I would be. And I was - for a while. Al was a nice guy. Met some good Chicago cops in my reckless driving days. Always wondered how that dairy farm worked out for him. Anyway, a smile and an apology often beats the rap. If you can talk fishing, it's almost a lock. And give the Irishmen some blarney. You a good smiler, John? --Vic As long as the cop isn't hispanic or black... |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"John H" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:40:27 -0800, "Steve B" wrote: "Don White" wrote Read that manual and winterize it yourself....... oh wait...you don't read manuals. Probably doesn't have the thirty minutes it takes to "winterize". Steve Explained above, although the little guy has no business commenting on it. He should be spending his time in a worthwhile engagement, like this: http://tinyurl.com/o42at Maybe he could get the Plum to join him. -- John H The clue is in this phrase: "This test will help me better understand how to **** off you...." Reminds me of the idiot test, which is a lot shorter and more to the point. I challenge you to try it: The second sign of being stupid is hair on your knuckles. scoll down The first sign is looking for hair on your knuckles. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"John H" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:47:29 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:37:45 -0500, Rob wrote: Personal property that is in for repair is always released prior to the auction Only so far as it is "free and clear." A less than honest mechanic can create a very convincing labor lien based on services not performed. If he is *really* clever he knows how to perfect a labor lien... if not, he'll threaten and cajole. Your MilkToast position would make you ripe for picking......... man up, dude...... again..... this isn't opinion.... I have battle scars.... I'm glad you two had this discussion. It lets me know my initial inclination was correct - to cut the damn lock and take the boat home. You know, I'm wondering now if the guy felt threatened by the bolt cutter I was carrying. That damn thing had three foot handles. -- John H I agree. It was an interesting discussion. Given that the boat was in an open area, you would have a much better chance of not having a problem with the police. I'd be cautious though about brandishing something that could be construed as a weapon. Not sure what state you're in, but some states define assault as "an attempt to menace by placing another person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury." -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "Rob" wrote in message ... If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust. Rob - Been there, different circumstances. It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the assets and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the bankruptcy court plows through all the records. It can take months. I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida. I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place. The bank called a note on them and they were forced into Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at the yard. Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel gate that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a van pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up behind him and entered as well. The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were "closed". By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck around him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my boat. He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard had been frozen by the court. He ran into the building to call somebody. Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy came out and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to the van and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on. I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to fill up the tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the town and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again. Eisboch That's a scary situation. What would you have done if the police showed up before you split? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"thunder" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:00:35 -0500, Gene wrote: Really? Not when I recovered MY boat..... sorry..... so , sue me...... Exactly, I'd take the boat. Bottom line, a company going bankrupt has a hell of a lot more problems than someone taking their own boat. Chances are they wouldn't bother even bother to call the cops. I might too, but that doesn't make it legal, and you never know what someone would do. Since it was sitting on an unlocked lot, it would make it a bit easier to justify. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"Don White" wrote in message
... "John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, Rob wrote: Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene wrote: You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. Let point to why I think you are wrong: "In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent." Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft! The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area. Rob No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that the boat could be pilfered. I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it. -- John H Well this is a different scenario that we were led to believe. In this case I would have gone in and recovered my property too...assuming it was on 'common tenant ground' behind a mall. I'd claim they abandoned it. Yes. Well, he did say it was behind a building, and a lot of people assumed that meant in a locked yard. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"John H" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:13:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Gene" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:48:07 -0500, Rob wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long. Rob You Sooooooooo don't get it. While they held the boat, John had to sue for possession. Once he had regained possession, they had to perfect a claim on HIS boat..... Maybe you think they could get the DA to arrest John for "stealing" his own property, I think not.... You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. We'll let me assure you this..... having been there? I'll be wrong, take my chances.... and feel very sure that I'll be fine..... Now you see why I can pay no attention to her vacuous, space-cadet responses. -- John H You're just a spineless jerk. You're so afraid of me that you block my posts??? Now, that's funny! -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"John H" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:41:12 -0500, Rob wrote: Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:48:07 -0500, wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long. Rob You Sooooooooo don't get it. While they held the boat, John had to sue for possession. Once he had regained possession, they had to perfect a claim on HIS boat..... Maybe you think they could get the DA to arrest John for "stealing" his own property, I think not.... Wrong - unless the law varies by state (I don't believe it does). I've witnessed this first-hand. There is a designated time frame where the owners of property that is in for repair can claim it, and take it, with proper documentation. Rob I had the title with me, just in case. -- John H More information that you omitted.... -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"H the K" wrote in message
... On 11/25/09 11:51 AM, H the K wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: Probably. I read it over again, and I didn't see a mention of it being behind a gate, so they're probably let it go. Just remember though, trespass is valid even if there's no gate. You just have to be careful. If someone saw him cutting a lock and the police showed, he'd better be able to prove it's his boat. They might let him split, but you never know. As usual. You just never know. I'll be out in your neck of the woods on business soon. What say we get together and share a Corona or two? Spoofed post. Duhh.... :) -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"H the K" wrote in message
... On 11/25/09 11:55 AM, H the K wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: Like I said, maybe. Clearly, the property wasn't abandoned, since someone was there at the end of John's story. Of course, without the complete facts, it's hard to know what would happen. We were all waiting for this enlightenment. Spoofed post. Perhaps someone will meet this bozo and give him some five finger enlightenment. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
"Don White" wrote in message
... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in message ... On Nov 24, 11:39 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "I am Tosk" wrote in ... In article , says... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:09:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Gene" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 Beta No problem if you don't mind spending a couple of days in jail while they sort it out, and it's still illegal to damage property, trespass, etc. Been there, done that..... by the rules..... (which in hindsight and with knowledge of the law) was really stupid. Knowing what I know, now..... and with previous counsel of attorneys..... John was prepared to take the ONLY sane WISE course of action available to him. Pretend you are the DA.... tell me why you are arresting me for "stealing" property for which I have a Certificate of Title. Want to try to make that breaking and entering charge stick without proof? Try me, I'll have your ass...... Really. John didn't get any information from them telling him not to take his boat. He just went to grab his boat, that's all. Nope... Permission needs to be explicit. Not giving permission is implied by said lock. -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Uh, what lock? The lock on the hitch I believe. -- Nom=de=Plume Tell them it was your lock and no spare key. So.. Kalif Swill advocates lying to the police. That's a good way to get yourself shoved down a staircase....right Snotty? That's always good for another charge... -- Nom=de=Plume |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On 11/25/09 2:45 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"John wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:13:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:48:07 -0500, wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. -- John H It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat with the bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged with trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows what else. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY FAR the best approach. To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's errand. You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at best. When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks forgiveness, NOT permission..... I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was in *my* driveway. They would have had the keys, but I could get more made. In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long. Rob You Sooooooooo don't get it. While they held the boat, John had to sue for possession. Once he had regained possession, they had to perfect a claim on HIS boat..... Maybe you think they could get the DA to arrest John for "stealing" his own property, I think not.... You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. We'll let me assure you this..... having been there? I'll be wrong, take my chances.... and feel very sure that I'll be fine..... Now you see why I can pay no attention to her vacuous, space-cadet responses. -- John H You're just a spineless jerk. You're so afraid of me that you block my posts??? Now, that's funny! Congratulations...you figured out that herring, like *all* the rightie extremists here, is a spineless jerk. The most spineless, though, is flajim, followed closely by Rob (Krueger). -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Okay, so here's what happened.
On 11/25/09 2:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message ... On 11/25/09 11:55 AM, H the K wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: Like I said, maybe. Clearly, the property wasn't abandoned, since someone was there at the end of John's story. Of course, without the complete facts, it's hard to know what would happen. We were all waiting for this enlightenment. Spoofed post. Perhaps someone will meet this bozo and give him some five finger enlightenment. He's just another rec.boats coward. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
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