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H the K[_8_] November 26th 09 02:33 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
H the K wrote:
On 11/25/09 1:43 PM, H the K wrote:
Don White wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
Pansy. That's it. You're off my team. Who ever heard of a real man
with an electric start 25 HP outboard motor. What color is it? Pink I
suppose, to match your Toyota beer hauler. And learn to drink
responsibly. One six pack of Corona should last you all year like it
does for me.

--


Careful Jackoff...the previous owner may be moving to a spot near you
in the future


I am so sorry rec.boats is so full of these idiots, it used to be a
great place to meet and have an intelligent conversation.


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Why do you assholes insist on cluttering up my newsgroup?

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

jps November 26th 09 02:49 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:26:30 -0500, H the K
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Rob" wrote in message
...
If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned
to
the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you
are
out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If
they
have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court
can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust.

Rob - Been there, different circumstances.

It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a
Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the
assets
and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the
bankruptcy court
plows through all the records. It can take months.

I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida.
I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place.
The bank called a note on them and they were forced into
Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at
the yard.

Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact
them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel
gate
that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a
van
pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up
behind him and entered as well.

The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were
"closed".
By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck
around
him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my
boat.
He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard
had
been
frozen by the court.

He ran into the building to call somebody.

Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy
came
out
and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to
the
van
and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on.

I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to
fill up the
tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the
town
and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again.

Eisboch
That's a scary situation. What would you have done if the police showed up
before you split?
Nothing?

So, you're a cop. What are you going to charge him with? Theft of his
own property? Breaking? Nope. Entering? Nope, the gate was open.
Trespassing? Nope.... he had a right to be there if he was paid up.

These are civil, not criminal issues. The cops *really* don't want to
deal with this.

Google replevin and detinue. You'll have a much cheaper education in
this than mine....



If the police show up, you better be able to prove it's your boat. If you
can't immediately, they'll haul your butt in and sort it out there. You can
call it civil if you want, but the facts on the ground will be your butt
sitting in jail until someone shows up with the pink slip.


You tell him, the assholes in rec.boats are too stupid to bring a valid
ID and their boat registration. They are all morons.
I wonder why you and I hang out with these idiots. Would you like to
get together for a beer and whatever?


Looks like Bad Jim found a temporary way to skirt people ignoring him.

The style is certainly southern Alabama.

Don White November 26th 09 02:59 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

You would be out on OR in less than a couple hours. Unless you have a
record as a bad guy and they want you put away.


So, you don't mind sitting in jail for a couple of hours. Well, ok. Go for
it.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Swill gets all excited at the thought of being locked up with big sweaty
rough men.



H the K[_4_] November 26th 09 03:02 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
On 11/25/09 9:49 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:26:30 -0500, H the
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned
to
the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you
are
out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If
they
have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court
can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust.

Rob - Been there, different circumstances.

It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a
Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the
assets
and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the
bankruptcy court
plows through all the records. It can take months.

I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida.
I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place.
The bank called a note on them and they were forced into
Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at
the yard.

Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact
them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel
gate
that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a
van
pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up
behind him and entered as well.

The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were
"closed".
By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck
around
him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my
boat.
He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard
had
been
frozen by the court.

He ran into the building to call somebody.

Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy
came
out
and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to
the
van
and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on.

I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to
fill up the
tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the
town
and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again.

Eisboch
That's a scary situation. What would you have done if the police showed up
before you split?
Nothing?

So, you're a cop. What are you going to charge him with? Theft of his
own property? Breaking? Nope. Entering? Nope, the gate was open.
Trespassing? Nope.... he had a right to be there if he was paid up.

These are civil, not criminal issues. The cops *really* don't want to
deal with this.

Google replevin and detinue. You'll have a much cheaper education in
this than mine....


If the police show up, you better be able to prove it's your boat. If you
can't immediately, they'll haul your butt in and sort it out there. You can
call it civil if you want, but the facts on the ground will be your butt
sitting in jail until someone shows up with the pink slip.


You tell him, the assholes in rec.boats are too stupid to bring a valid
ID and their boat registration. They are all morons.
I wonder why you and I hang out with these idiots. Would you like to
get together for a beer and whatever?


Looks like Bad Jim found a temporary way to skirt people ignoring him.

The style is certainly southern Alabama.




Flajim? Interesting. Once a piece of navy****, always a piece of navy****.


--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

I am Tosk November 26th 09 04:42 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
In article ,
says...

"John H" wrote in message
...

Good move. I think there's something to that 'possession is
nine-tenths' bit.

Anyway, I feel much better having the boat back under my control.

And, glad to see you're still alive and kicking. How's the shop? From
your web site it appears to be doing well. I know nothing of guitars,
so don't stick my head in your door.

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving and that all are well.
--

John H



Doing well thanks. Stuck my head in here to see what's new. Seems to be a
few
more boating posts which is good but also still a lot of politicking and
name calling.

The music shop is consuming most of my time. It has grown more than I
originally
bargained for, but still is fun. Getting to meet a lot of interesting
people. Actually sold
a custom built guitar to a member of Bob Dylan's band. Actually the guitar
is going
to Dylan, but there were issues to get around. The band member is Donnie
Herron, a multi-instrument
player that has been with Dylan for about five years now, both in touring
performances and
recording sessions. He visited the shop, entertained us for a while (pros
are in another league)
and then tried one of the custom built guitars we have. He commented that
"Bob would love this
guitar". (It's a historic reproduction of a guitar built back around 1900).
He left, but later that
afternoon I got a telephone call. He said they were sending someone down
from Boston to
pick up the guitar and it would be on stage that night, which was the last
night of Dylan's performance
at the Wang Center.

Pretty exciting day, both for me and the luthier who built the guitar.

Take care and Happy "T" day to everyone.

Eisboch


Glad you are having a great time!

Scotty



nom=de=plume November 26th 09 04:58 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:26:30 -0500, H the K
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Rob" wrote in message
...
If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly
returned
to
the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you
are
out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If
they
have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy
court
can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust.

Rob - Been there, different circumstances.

It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a
Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the
assets
and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the
bankruptcy court
plows through all the records. It can take months.

I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida.
I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place.
The bank called a note on them and they were forced into
Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at
the yard.

Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact
them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a
steel
gate
that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed
a
van
pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled
up
behind him and entered as well.

The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were
"closed".
By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck
around
him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking
my
boat.
He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard
had
been
frozen by the court.

He ran into the building to call somebody.

Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy
came
out
and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys
to
the
van
and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on.

I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station
to
fill up the
tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for
the
town
and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again.

Eisboch
That's a scary situation. What would you have done if the police
showed up
before you split?
Nothing?

So, you're a cop. What are you going to charge him with? Theft of his
own property? Breaking? Nope. Entering? Nope, the gate was open.
Trespassing? Nope.... he had a right to be there if he was paid up.

These are civil, not criminal issues. The cops *really* don't want to
deal with this.

Google replevin and detinue. You'll have a much cheaper education in
this than mine....


If the police show up, you better be able to prove it's your boat. If
you
can't immediately, they'll haul your butt in and sort it out there. You
can
call it civil if you want, but the facts on the ground will be your butt
sitting in jail until someone shows up with the pink slip.


You tell him, the assholes in rec.boats are too stupid to bring a valid
ID and their boat registration. They are all morons.
I wonder why you and I hang out with these idiots. Would you like to
get together for a beer and whatever?


Looks like Bad Jim found a temporary way to skirt people ignoring him.

The style is certainly southern Alabama.



I suspected it was him, since it must be too much for him to switch back and
forth between IDs.

--
Nom=de=Plume



nom=de=plume November 26th 09 04:59 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
"Rob" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the
police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop
the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob


No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.


Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob



It was the trailer hitch lock I believe.

--
Nom=de=Plume



nom=de=plume November 26th 09 05:01 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
"Don White" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

You would be out on OR in less than a couple hours. Unless you have a
record as a bad guy and they want you put away.


So, you don't mind sitting in jail for a couple of hours. Well, ok. Go
for it.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Swill gets all excited at the thought of being locked up with big sweaty
rough men.


Heh... well, I can see the attraction.

--
Nom=de=Plume



H the K[_8_] November 26th 09 06:01 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
H the K wrote:
On 11/25/09 2:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message
...
On 11/25/09 11:55 AM, H the K wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:

Like I said, maybe. Clearly, the property wasn't abandoned, since
someone was there at the end of John's story.

Of course, without the complete facts, it's hard to know what would
happen.

We were all waiting for this enlightenment.



Spoofed post.



Perhaps someone will meet this bozo and give him some five finger
enlightenment.


He's just another rec.boats coward.


This is another spoofed post. I don't use windoze, he is nothing more
than a Reich Wing nut case

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

H the K[_8_] November 26th 09 06:15 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
nom=de=plume wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:13:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:48:07 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John wrote in message
...
On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine
winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them,
Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of
town
for a few days.

I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the
machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still
had
heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they
should
have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message.

Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this
every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing.

The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's
16
Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the
hell
is
happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no
nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the
hitch,
but other than that there is no security.

Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again
on
Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording
that the phone's been disconnected. ****.

I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to
call
and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a
fluke,
or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things
out
and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter
to
civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as
far
as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me.

This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can
provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I
get
there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff
loaded
in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone
replies.
Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place.

I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I
ask
if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I
want
my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't
called, his response is, "Personal problems."

Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything.
--

John H

It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat
with the
bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged
with
trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows
what
else.
Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY
FAR
the best approach.

To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's
errand.
You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying
obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at
best.

When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks
forgiveness, NOT permission.....
I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much
better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was
in *my* driveway.

They would have had the keys, but I could get more made.
In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under
bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long.

Rob
You Sooooooooo don't get it. While they held the boat, John had to sue
for possession. Once he had regained possession, they had to perfect a
claim on HIS boat.....

Maybe you think they could get the DA to arrest John for "stealing"
his own property, I think not....

You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police
would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.
We'll let me assure you this..... having been there? I'll be wrong,
take my chances.... and feel very sure that I'll be fine.....

Now you see why I can pay no attention to her vacuous, space-cadet
responses.
--

John H



You're just a spineless jerk. You're so afraid of me that you block my
posts??? Now, that's funny!


John Herring is intimidated by a strong woman. I personally find them
exciting.
--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

H the K[_8_] November 26th 09 06:17 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
Bill McKee wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in
message
...
On Nov 24, 11:39 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in
...





In article ,
says...
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:09:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and
engine
winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told
them,
Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out
of
town
for a few days.
I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on
the
machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still
had
heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they
should
have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message.
Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did
this
every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing.
The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday,
that's 16
Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the
hell
is
happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no
nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the
hitch,
but other than that there is no security.
Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and
again on
Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a
recording
that the phone's been disconnected. ****.
I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try
to
call
and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a
fluke,
or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things
out
and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the
matter
to
civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that
as
far
as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to
me.
This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place
can
provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When
I get
there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff
loaded
in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone
replies.
Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place.
I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer.
I ask
if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him
I
want
my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he
hasn't
called, his response is, "Personal problems."
Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for
anything.
--
John H
It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your
boat
with
the
bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged
with
trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God
knows
what
else.
Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY
FAR
the best approach.
To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's
errand.
You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying
obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at
best.
When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks
forgiveness, NOT permission.....
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people
who
are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell
Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.
Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm
Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 Beta
No problem if you don't mind spending a couple of days in jail
while
they
sort it out, and it's still illegal to damage property, trespass,
etc.
Been there, done that..... by the rules..... (which in hindsight and
with knowledge of the law) was really stupid.
Knowing what I know, now..... and with previous counsel of
attorneys..... John was prepared to take the ONLY sane WISE course
of
action available to him.
Pretend you are the DA.... tell me why you are arresting me for
"stealing" property for which I have a Certificate of Title.
Want to try to make that breaking and entering charge stick without
proof? Try me, I'll have your ass......
Really. John didn't get any information from them telling him not to
take his boat. He just went to grab his boat, that's all.
Nope... Permission needs to be explicit. Not giving permission is
implied by
said lock.

--
Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Uh, what lock?
The lock on the hitch I believe.



--
Nom=de=Plume

Tell them it was your lock and no spare key.

So.. Kalif Swill advocates lying to the police.
That's a good way to get yourself shoved down a staircase....right Snotty?


Asshole. Drunk with your son again? Or are you drunk alone?



Asshole, only a alcoholic would get drunk alone. Don and his son get
drunk together because it is a family tradition.

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

jps November 26th 09 06:47 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:58:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:26:30 -0500, H the K
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Rob" wrote in message
...
If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly
returned
to
the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you
are
out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If
they
have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy
court
can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust.

Rob - Been there, different circumstances.

It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a
Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the
assets
and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the
bankruptcy court
plows through all the records. It can take months.

I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida.
I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place.
The bank called a note on them and they were forced into
Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at
the yard.

Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact
them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a
steel
gate
that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed
a
van
pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled
up
behind him and entered as well.

The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were
"closed".
By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck
around
him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking
my
boat.
He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard
had
been
frozen by the court.

He ran into the building to call somebody.

Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy
came
out
and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys
to
the
van
and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on.

I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station
to
fill up the
tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for
the
town
and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again.

Eisboch
That's a scary situation. What would you have done if the police
showed up
before you split?
Nothing?

So, you're a cop. What are you going to charge him with? Theft of his
own property? Breaking? Nope. Entering? Nope, the gate was open.
Trespassing? Nope.... he had a right to be there if he was paid up.

These are civil, not criminal issues. The cops *really* don't want to
deal with this.

Google replevin and detinue. You'll have a much cheaper education in
this than mine....


If the police show up, you better be able to prove it's your boat. If
you
can't immediately, they'll haul your butt in and sort it out there. You
can
call it civil if you want, but the facts on the ground will be your butt
sitting in jail until someone shows up with the pink slip.


You tell him, the assholes in rec.boats are too stupid to bring a valid
ID and their boat registration. They are all morons.
I wonder why you and I hang out with these idiots. Would you like to
get together for a beer and whatever?


Looks like Bad Jim found a temporary way to skirt people ignoring him.

The style is certainly southern Alabama.



I suspected it was him, since it must be too much for him to switch back and
forth between IDs.


Like they say, a piece of work.

jps November 26th 09 06:52 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:15:46 -0500, H the K
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:13:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:48:07 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John wrote in message
...
On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine
winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them,
Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of
town
for a few days.

I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the
machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still
had
heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they
should
have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message.

Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this
every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing.

The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's
16
Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the
hell
is
happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no
nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the
hitch,
but other than that there is no security.

Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again
on
Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording
that the phone's been disconnected. ****.

I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to
call
and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a
fluke,
or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things
out
and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter
to
civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as
far
as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me.

This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can
provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I
get
there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff
loaded
in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone
replies.
Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place.

I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I
ask
if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I
want
my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't
called, his response is, "Personal problems."

Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything.
--

John H

It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat
with the
bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged
with
trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows
what
else.
Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY
FAR
the best approach.

To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's
errand.
You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying
obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at
best.

When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks
forgiveness, NOT permission.....
I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much
better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was
in *my* driveway.

They would have had the keys, but I could get more made.
In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under
bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long.

Rob
You Sooooooooo don't get it. While they held the boat, John had to sue
for possession. Once he had regained possession, they had to perfect a
claim on HIS boat.....

Maybe you think they could get the DA to arrest John for "stealing"
his own property, I think not....

You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police
would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.
We'll let me assure you this..... having been there? I'll be wrong,
take my chances.... and feel very sure that I'll be fine.....
Now you see why I can pay no attention to her vacuous, space-cadet
responses.
--

John H



You're just a spineless jerk. You're so afraid of me that you block my
posts??? Now, that's funny!


John Herring is intimidated by a strong woman. I personally find them
exciting.


I'm betting your girl friend is Rosy and her five sisters.

Any woman who'd go near you must be strong, smelling.

jps November 26th 09 07:50 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:22:58 -0500, H the K
wrote:

NotEver wrote:
In article , naled245111



Can you imagine what would happen if we left rec.boats? No one would
ever talk about boats. I like the way you included the word galley in
your post, but the idiots in rec.boats don't even know what a galley is.


Please. Leave and try it. Take your suck buddy Don with you, you fat
piece of ****.


Sure, you need me. I make you complete. Asshole.


You've got at least one of your stupid brethren sucked in. Silly ass.

Bill McKee November 26th 09 08:58 PM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

It's the Granola state. Washington state is similar. Fruits and nuts
and flakes.


How about that...you encompass all three traits.


Nope, only a little nuts.



Bill McKee November 26th 09 08:59 PM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in
message
...
On Nov 24, 11:39 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in
...





In article ,
says...

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:09:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and
engine
winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told
them,
Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be
out of
town
for a few days.

I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on
the
machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but
still had
heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they
should
have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message.

Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did
this
every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing.

The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday,
that's 16
Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what
the hell
is
happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door,
no
nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the
hitch,
but other than that there is no security.

Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and
again on
Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a
recording
that the phone's been disconnected. ****.

I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try
to
call
and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was
a
fluke,
or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check
things out
and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the
matter
to
civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them
that as
far
as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back
to me.

This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place
can
provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat.
When I get
there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of
stuff
loaded
in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone
replies.
Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place.

I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't
answer. I ask
if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell
him I
want
my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he
hasn't
called, his response is, "Personal problems."

Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for
anything.
--

John H

It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your
boat
with
the
bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be
charged with
trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God
knows
what
else.

Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were
BY FAR
the best approach.

To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's
errand.
You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and
paying
obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at
best.

When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks
forgiveness, NOT permission.....
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to
people who
are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 Beta

No problem if you don't mind spending a couple of days in jail
while
they
sort it out, and it's still illegal to damage property, trespass,
etc.

Been there, done that..... by the rules..... (which in hindsight
and
with knowledge of the law) was really stupid.

Knowing what I know, now..... and with previous counsel of
attorneys..... John was prepared to take the ONLY sane WISE course
of
action available to him.

Pretend you are the DA.... tell me why you are arresting me for
"stealing" property for which I have a Certificate of Title.

Want to try to make that breaking and entering charge stick
without
proof? Try me, I'll have your ass......

Really. John didn't get any information from them telling him not
to
take his boat. He just went to grab his boat, that's all.

Nope... Permission needs to be explicit. Not giving permission is
implied by
said lock.

--
Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, what lock?

The lock on the hitch I believe.



--
Nom=de=Plume


Tell them it was your lock and no spare key.


So.. Kalif Swill advocates lying to the police.
That's a good way to get yourself shoved down a staircase....right
Snotty?


Asshole. Drunk with your son again? Or are you drunk alone?


Hey BoozyBoy.
You're the one encouraging him to mislead a police officer in the
commission of his duty..
What's next...perjury in the courtroom?


The lock became the boat owners when they attached it to the trailer. Good
enough reason?



John H[_11_] November 27th 09 12:55 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:49:36 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:29:43 -0500, John H
wrote:



Smiler? You bet. You must have missed the picture giving Harry, Donny,
et al, something to talk about.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v229/167...32218_8642.jpg



Them teeth look like they can do a number on ribs. (-:

--Vic


They do love ribs.
--

John H

John H[_11_] November 27th 09 12:57 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:07:14 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:09:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and
engine
winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them,
Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of
town
for a few days.

I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the
machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still
had
heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they
should
have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message.

Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this
every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing.

The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's
16
Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the
hell is
happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no
nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the
hitch,
but other than that there is no security.

Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again
on
Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a
recording
that the phone's been disconnected. ****.

I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to
call
and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a
fluke,
or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things
out
and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the
matter to
civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that
as far
as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to
me.

This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can
provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I
get
there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff
loaded
in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone
replies.
Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place.

I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I
ask
if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I
want
my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't
called, his response is, "Personal problems."

Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything.
--

John H


It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat
with
the
bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged
with
trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows
what
else.

Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY
FAR
the best approach.

To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's
errand.
You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying
obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at
best.

When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks
forgiveness, NOT permission.....
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people
who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 Beta


No problem if you don't mind spending a couple of days in jail while
they
sort it out, and it's still illegal to damage property, trespass,
etc.

Been there, done that..... by the rules..... (which in hindsight and
with knowledge of the law) was really stupid.

Knowing what I know, now..... and with previous counsel of
attorneys..... John was prepared to take the ONLY sane WISE course of
action available to him.

Pretend you are the DA.... tell me why you are arresting me for
"stealing" property for which I have a Certificate of Title.

Want to try to make that breaking and entering charge stick without
proof? Try me, I'll have your ass......

Really. John didn't get any information from them telling him not to
take his boat. He just went to grab his boat, that's all.


Nope... Permission needs to be explicit. Not giving permission is
implied by said lock.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Just state they said to come get your boat. And since the business has a
phone disconnected, and no one was available during normal business hours
or could be contacted, I did what they said to do. Picked up my boat.
They would have to prove you were not told to pick up your own boat. The
DA's have enough cases, they do not want to screw around with this crap.
And also if in Calif, they have to release people from jail to reduce
numbers and cost. You think the DA is going to spend any time or money
on a case like this?


So, you're willing to sit in jail... well, ok. Sure, you'll get out
(maybe) after a hearing. With the docket crowded as it is, I'm sure you'd
get out by February.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You would be out on OR in less than a couple hours. Unless you have a
record as a bad guy and they want you put away.


Jeez. She just doesn't stop, does she. Reckon she's related to the
Energizer Bunny?
--

John H

John H[_11_] November 27th 09 01:02 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob


No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.


Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob


The lock was on the trailer hitch. I'd have had to cut it to hook the
trailer to my 4Runner.
--

John H

John H[_11_] November 27th 09 01:07 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob


No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.


Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob


Maybe 'hitch' is the wrong word. I think I should have said 'coupler'
lock. A padlock which prevented me from attaching the trailer to my
vehicle.
--

John H

Don White November 27th 09 05:05 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the
police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop
the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob

No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.


Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob


Maybe 'hitch' is the wrong word. I think I should have said 'coupler'
lock. A padlock which prevented me from attaching the trailer to my
vehicle.
--

John H


Hee hee..
You really have to take that Ditzy Dan by the hand eh?



H the K[_8_] November 27th 09 05:58 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
H the K wrote:
On 11/25/09 5:50 PM, H the K wrote:


What kind of charge are you talking about?



Spoofed


I don't use Windoze you Asshole

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

I am Tosk November 27th 09 04:09 PM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
In article ,
om says...

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob

No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.


Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob


Maybe 'hitch' is the wrong word. I think I should have said 'coupler'
lock. A padlock which prevented me from attaching the trailer to my
vehicle.



Still playing with the posers? I notice that folks who have been through
similar all say you did the right thing getting your boat, the ones who
have not are still speculating and scratching their asses, which of
course it what they would have been doing if it was their boat about
now..;)

I am Tosk November 27th 09 04:58 PM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
In article , naled245111
@mypacks.net says...

H the K wrote:
On 11/25/09 5:50 PM, H the K wrote:


What kind of charge are you talking about?



Spoofed


I don't use Windoze you Asshole


Uh, you said you installed your super secret gold card version of 7 just
a week or so ago... What happened, couldn't get it up and running?
snerk back in the bin, bozo.. Later bitch!

H the K[_4_] November 27th 09 05:01 PM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
I am Tosk wrote:
In article , naled245111
@mypacks.net says...
H the K wrote:
On 11/25/09 5:50 PM, H the K wrote:

What kind of charge are you talking about?


Spoofed


I don't use Windoze you Asshole


Uh, you said you installed your super secret gold card version of 7 just
a week or so ago... What happened, couldn't get it up and running?
snerk back in the bin, bozo.. Later bitch!




You're replying to the spoofer, dipstick.

I use Windoze to run two apps that are not available for Macs...one of
which is the Garmin program for my chartplotter. The other is NOT
Thunderbird.



--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

BAR[_2_] November 27th 09 07:44 PM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
In article ,
om says...

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob

No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.


Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob


Maybe 'hitch' is the wrong word. I think I should have said 'coupler'
lock. A padlock which prevented me from attaching the trailer to my
vehicle.


I didn't have a problem understanding why the bolt cutters were needed
to get the lock off of the trailer. And, why they may have been
necessary to ......



John H[_11_] November 28th 09 01:51 PM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:44:16 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob

No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.

Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob


Maybe 'hitch' is the wrong word. I think I should have said 'coupler'
lock. A padlock which prevented me from attaching the trailer to my
vehicle.


I didn't have a problem understanding why the bolt cutters were needed
to get the lock off of the trailer. And, why they may have been
necessary to ......


Good. Now I feel better.
--

John H

Rob November 29th 09 01:34 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
"Bill wrote in message
m...

You would be out on OR in less than a couple hours. Unless you have a
record as a bad guy and they want you put away.


So, you don't mind sitting in jail for a couple of hours. Well, ok. Go for
it.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Swill gets all excited at the thought of being locked up with big sweaty
rough men.



Where did that come from? A personal fantasy, dummy?

Rob

Rob November 29th 09 01:47 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
Don White wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the
police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop
the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob

No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.

Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob


Maybe 'hitch' is the wrong word. I think I should have said 'coupler'
lock. A padlock which prevented me from attaching the trailer to my
vehicle.
--

John H


Hee hee..
You really have to take that Ditzy Dan by the hand eh?



With all of your master's spoofing going on, you two idiots must be
exchanging emails hourly:

Dummy: That post about Palin, was it yours, boss?

WAFA: Which one, dummy, there were twelve.

Dummy: Sorry, boss, the one about her being hot.

WAFA: Again, you ****ing moron, which one?

Dummy: I don't know...the one where you said she *wasn't* hot.

WAFA: That would be 1/3rd of my posts, dip****. Which one?

Dummy: Sorry, boss, I'm trying really hard to defend you. I can't even
remember what I fed my lame, adult son for lunch.

WAFA: Well figure it out and get back to me, you putz.

Dummy: Will do, boss, but I gotta make another beer run for my boy.

....








mgg November 29th 09 02:01 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the
police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop
the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob

No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.

Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob

Maybe 'hitch' is the wrong word. I think I should have said 'coupler'
lock. A padlock which prevented me from attaching the trailer to my
vehicle.
--

John H


Hee hee..
You really have to take that Ditzy Dan by the hand eh?



With all of your master's spoofing going on, you two idiots must be
exchanging emails hourly:

Dummy: That post about Palin, was it yours, boss?

WAFA: Which one, dummy, there were twelve.

Dummy: Sorry, boss, the one about her being hot.

WAFA: Again, you ****ing moron, which one?

Dummy: I don't know...the one where you said she *wasn't* hot.

WAFA: That would be 1/3rd of my posts, dip****. Which one?

Dummy: Sorry, boss, I'm trying really hard to defend you. I can't even
remember what I fed my lame, adult son for lunch.

WAFA: Well figure it out and get back to me, you putz.

Dummy: Will do, boss, but I gotta make another beer run for my boy.

...








LOL!

--Mike



John H[_11_] November 29th 09 02:42 PM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:47:41 -0500, Rob wrote:

Don White wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the
police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop
the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob

No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.

Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob

Maybe 'hitch' is the wrong word. I think I should have said 'coupler'
lock. A padlock which prevented me from attaching the trailer to my
vehicle.
--

John H


Hee hee..
You really have to take that Ditzy Dan by the hand eh?



With all of your master's spoofing going on, you two idiots must be
exchanging emails hourly:

Dummy: That post about Palin, was it yours, boss?

WAFA: Which one, dummy, there were twelve.

Dummy: Sorry, boss, the one about her being hot.

WAFA: Again, you ****ing moron, which one?

Dummy: I don't know...the one where you said she *wasn't* hot.

WAFA: That would be 1/3rd of my posts, dip****. Which one?

Dummy: Sorry, boss, I'm trying really hard to defend you. I can't even
remember what I fed my lame, adult son for lunch.

WAFA: Well figure it out and get back to me, you putz.

Dummy: Will do, boss, but I gotta make another beer run for my boy.

Tell me I'm not laughing my ass off at that!
--

John H

Jack[_3_] November 29th 09 07:21 PM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
On Nov 28, 8:47*pm, Rob wrote:
Don White wrote:
"John *wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, *wrote:


John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, * wrote:


Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
* *wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the
police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop
the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.


Let point to why I think you are wrong:


"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."


Note: NOT " another person's property." *Therefore, Not Theft!


The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.


Rob


No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.


I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.


Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??


Rob


Maybe 'hitch' is the wrong word. I think I should have said 'coupler'
lock. A padlock which prevented me from attaching the trailer to my
vehicle.
--


John H


Hee hee..
You really have to take that Ditzy Dan by the hand eh?


With all of your master's spoofing going on, you two idiots must be
exchanging emails hourly:

Dummy: *That post about Palin, was it yours, boss?

WAFA: *Which one, dummy, there were twelve.

Dummy: Sorry, boss, the one about her being hot.

WAFA: *Again, you ****ing moron, which one?

Dummy: I don't know...the one where you said she *wasn't* hot.

WAFA: That would be 1/3rd of my posts, dip****. *Which one?

Dummy: *Sorry, boss, I'm trying really hard to defend you. *I can't even
remember what I fed my lame, adult son for lunch.

WAFA: *Well figure it out and get back to me, you putz.

Dummy: *Will do, boss, but I gotta make another beer run for my boy.


That's great! I didn't know you had a wiretap!

LMAO...

Don White November 29th 09 09:21 PM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:47:41 -0500, Rob wrote:

Don White wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the
police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might
drop
the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob

No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.

Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob

Maybe 'hitch' is the wrong word. I think I should have said 'coupler'
lock. A padlock which prevented me from attaching the trailer to my
vehicle.
--

John H

Hee hee..
You really have to take that Ditzy Dan by the hand eh?



With all of your master's spoofing going on, you two idiots must be
exchanging emails hourly:

Dummy: That post about Palin, was it yours, boss?

WAFA: Which one, dummy, there were twelve.

Dummy: Sorry, boss, the one about her being hot.

WAFA: Again, you ****ing moron, which one?

Dummy: I don't know...the one where you said she *wasn't* hot.

WAFA: That would be 1/3rd of my posts, dip****. Which one?

Dummy: Sorry, boss, I'm trying really hard to defend you. I can't even
remember what I fed my lame, adult son for lunch.

WAFA: Well figure it out and get back to me, you putz.

Dummy: Will do, boss, but I gotta make another beer run for my boy.

Tell me I'm not laughing my ass off at that!
--

John H



Simple things amuse simple minds.



H the K (I post with a Mac)[_2_] November 29th 09 09:39 PM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:47:41 -0500, Rob wrote:

Don White wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the
police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might
drop
the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.
Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!
The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob
No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.
Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob
Maybe 'hitch' is the wrong word. I think I should have said 'coupler'
lock. A padlock which prevented me from attaching the trailer to my
vehicle.
--

John H
Hee hee..
You really have to take that Ditzy Dan by the hand eh?


With all of your master's spoofing going on, you two idiots must be
exchanging emails hourly:

Dummy: That post about Palin, was it yours, boss?

WAFA: Which one, dummy, there were twelve.

Dummy: Sorry, boss, the one about her being hot.

WAFA: Again, you ****ing moron, which one?

Dummy: I don't know...the one where you said she *wasn't* hot.

WAFA: That would be 1/3rd of my posts, dip****. Which one?

Dummy: Sorry, boss, I'm trying really hard to defend you. I can't even
remember what I fed my lame, adult son for lunch.

WAFA: Well figure it out and get back to me, you putz.

Dummy: Will do, boss, but I gotta make another beer run for my boy.

Tell me I'm not laughing my ass off at that!
--

John H



Simple things amuse simple minds.



Ok, Don, just between you and me, it did amuse you for hours, didn't it.

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

Don White November 29th 09 11:24 PM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 

"H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:47:41 -0500, Rob wrote:

Don White wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500,
wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the
police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might
drop
the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.
Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!
The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob
No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries,
that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.
Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob
Maybe 'hitch' is the wrong word. I think I should have said 'coupler'
lock. A padlock which prevented me from attaching the trailer to my
vehicle.
--

John H
Hee hee..
You really have to take that Ditzy Dan by the hand eh?


With all of your master's spoofing going on, you two idiots must be
exchanging emails hourly:

Dummy: That post about Palin, was it yours, boss?

WAFA: Which one, dummy, there were twelve.

Dummy: Sorry, boss, the one about her being hot.

WAFA: Again, you ****ing moron, which one?

Dummy: I don't know...the one where you said she *wasn't* hot.

WAFA: That would be 1/3rd of my posts, dip****. Which one?

Dummy: Sorry, boss, I'm trying really hard to defend you. I can't
even
remember what I fed my lame, adult son for lunch.

WAFA: Well figure it out and get back to me, you putz.

Dummy: Will do, boss, but I gotta make another beer run for my boy.

Tell me I'm not laughing my ass off at that!
--

John H



Simple things amuse simple minds.


Ok, Don, just between you and me, it did amuse you for hours, didn't it.

--


I think you & the other pseudo Harry should get together with Jack.
He could introduce you to a couple of 'sisters' that would keep you busy for
90 seconds or so.



Rob November 30th 09 02:00 AM

Okay, so here's what happened.
 
Don White wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:47:41 -0500, wrote:

Don White wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:17 -0500, wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the
police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might
drop
the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob

No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.

Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob

Maybe 'hitch' is the wrong word. I think I should have said 'coupler'
lock. A padlock which prevented me from attaching the trailer to my
vehicle.
--

John H

Hee hee..
You really have to take that Ditzy Dan by the hand eh?



With all of your master's spoofing going on, you two idiots must be
exchanging emails hourly:

Dummy: That post about Palin, was it yours, boss?

WAFA: Which one, dummy, there were twelve.

Dummy: Sorry, boss, the one about her being hot.

WAFA: Again, you ****ing moron, which one?

Dummy: I don't know...the one where you said she *wasn't* hot.

WAFA: That would be 1/3rd of my posts, dip****. Which one?

Dummy: Sorry, boss, I'm trying really hard to defend you. I can't even
remember what I fed my lame, adult son for lunch.

WAFA: Well figure it out and get back to me, you putz.

Dummy: Will do, boss, but I gotta make another beer run for my boy.

Tell me I'm not laughing my ass off at that!
--

John H



Simple things amuse simple minds.



The truth hurts, eh?

Rob

H the K (I post with a Mac) November 30th 09 07:32 PM

Hey, JPS...
 
Check your slow service email... :)

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.


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