On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:56:49 -0800, jps wrote:


I can't imagine not covering my employees with health insurance. It's
damned expensive and a pain in the ass but among the ways that I can
show them that we care about them and their family's welfare.

Some people seem to forget about how business related health care came
into effect. During WWII, wage and price controls were in effect.
Health care insurance was exempted, and used as a lure to hire better
employees. That lure still works. Don't provide health care, don't
expect quality employees, unless you are willing to pay them over market
wages, 20% over market wages.

"mgg" wrote in message
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"BAR" wrote in message
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In article 9c1cfb77-3a28-463b-bc0a-
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Contract with someone else to supply your labor.


That's exactly what I do now. As long as I have evidence of Worker's Comp,
I'm ok with it. It's difficult enough jumping thru the hoops already in
place for a small business. It's only gonna get worse. Small business runs
this country, not the big corps, and Obama is biting the hand that feeds.

--Mike

Then, I guess you can expect he'll not have a second term.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:56:49 -0800, jps wrote:


I can't imagine not covering my employees with health insurance. It's
damned expensive and a pain in the ass but among the ways that I can
show them that we care about them and their family's welfare.

Some people seem to forget about how business related health care came
into effect. During WWII, wage and price controls were in effect.
Health care insurance was exempted, and used as a lure to hire better
employees. That lure still works. Don't provide health care, don't
expect quality employees, unless you are willing to pay them over market
wages, 20% over market wages.


Even temp agencies offer health and retirement benefits to lure good
workers. It's pretty standard.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:51:21 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:56:49 -0800, jps wrote:


I can't imagine not covering my employees with health insurance. It's
damned expensive and a pain in the ass but among the ways that I can
show them that we care about them and their family's welfare.

Some people seem to forget about how business related health care came
into effect. During WWII, wage and price controls were in effect.
Health care insurance was exempted, and used as a lure to hire better
employees. That lure still works. Don't provide health care, don't
expect quality employees, unless you are willing to pay them over market
wages, 20% over market wages.

Dead on right. If you're not willing to put up in a competitive
market, you end up with inferior resources.

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:50:00 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"mgg" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article 9c1cfb77-3a28-463b-bc0a-
.

Contract with someone else to supply your labor.


That's exactly what I do now. As long as I have evidence of Worker's Comp,
I'm ok with it. It's difficult enough jumping thru the hoops already in
place for a small business. It's only gonna get worse. Small business runs
this country, not the big corps, and Obama is biting the hand that feeds.

--Mike

Then, I guess you can expect he'll not have a second term.

We were stupid enough to re-elect GW Bush for a second term while he
was bankrupting the country. What makes you think we're "smart"
enough to turn Obama down for second term?

Will it be the abortion issue?

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:51:21 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:56:49 -0800, jps wrote:


I can't imagine not covering my employees with health insurance. It's
damned expensive and a pain in the ass but among the ways that I can
show them that we care about them and their family's welfare.

Some people seem to forget about how business related health care came
into effect. During WWII, wage and price controls were in effect.
Health care insurance was exempted, and used as a lure to hire better
employees. That lure still works. Don't provide health care, don't
expect quality employees, unless you are willing to pay them over market
wages, 20% over market wages.

Lack of health care is an invitation for a union to organize your shop
up here. The south is a different world.
A good small business is similar to a family, and folks look out for
each other. My kid works for a shop which provides health insurance,
and the older guys who have had to use it for cancer treatment, baby
delivery and such are highly loyal.
They pass that loyalty on to the youngsters.
I saw that right away with my kid. He has all that mechanic schooling
and I thought he would end up in a dealership making more money.
But he's happy in that shop making less.
Old-fashioned, bedrock American stuff. Eisboch had that right stuff.
I don't recall him mentioning it, but I'll give good odds his
employees had affordable health care.
I'll hold my tongue about the rest of stuff Froggy spouted, except to
say my understanding of the health care bill requirement for providing
group insurance for employees or be taxed doesn't even kick in until
50 employees. A public plan could get business away from the
insurance hassle altogether.
So his entire rant begins with political bull****, and then goes fast
downhill from there.
All the various wingers sound like commies to me.
Split everybody apart with bull****, turn one against the other and
keep everybody so busy fighting they don't see what's going on.
Only difference is no cheap vodka.
Par for the course. Don't care for golf, but hey.

--Vic

On Nov 7, 4:48*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:51:21 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:56:49 -0800, jps wrote:

I can't imagine not covering my employees with health insurance. *It's
damned expensive and a pain in the ass but among the ways that I can
show them that we care about them and their family's welfare.

Some people seem to forget about how business related health care came
into effect. *During WWII, wage and price controls were in effect. *
Health care insurance was exempted, and used as a lure to hire better
employees. *That lure still works. *Don't provide health care, don't
expect quality employees, unless you are willing to pay them over market
wages, 20% over market wages.

Lack of health care is an invitation for a union to organize your shop
up here. *The south is a different world.
A good small business is similar to a family, and folks look out for
each other. *My kid works for a shop which provides health insurance,
and the older guys who have had to use it for cancer treatment, baby
delivery and such are highly loyal.
They pass that loyalty on to the youngsters.
I saw that right away with my kid. *He has all that mechanic schooling
and I thought he would end up in a dealership making more money.
But he's happy in that shop making less.
Old-fashioned, bedrock American stuff. *Eisboch had that right stuff.
I don't recall him mentioning it, but I'll give good odds his
employees had affordable health care.
I'll hold my tongue about the rest of stuff Froggy spouted, except to
say my understanding of the health care bill requirement for providing
group insurance for employees or be taxed doesn't even kick in until
50 employees. *A public plan could get business away from the
insurance hassle altogether.
So his entire rant begins with political bull****, and then goes fast
downhill from there.
All the various wingers sound like commies to me.
Split everybody apart with bull****, turn one against the other and
keep everybody so busy fighting they don't see what's going on.
Only difference is no cheap vodka.
Par for the course. *Don't care for golf, but hey.

--Vic

Vic: Stop being so reasonable, you spoil the fun.

H the K wrote:

The reality, of course, is that your "business" has been in the crapper
for some time, as evidence by a number of your posts here,

Ha ha ha. This is too funny.

Johnson