On Oct 24, 6:29*pm, Tosk wrote:
In article 7aed2ec8-fffe-4050-b159-07417cc78500
@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, says...



On Oct 24, 4:05*pm, H the K wrote:
...have an idiot as president and a criminal as vice president:

http://tinyurl.com/yhc57ex

Photos.

Yeah, now we have a moron for president and a clown for veep.

Or an idiot for veep and a crim for pres..

What crime has Obama ever been convicted of in a court of law? For
that matter, what has he ever been charged with?

In article aeaf68cb-b49a-4aa0-bbea-2cbff61c3a24
@l34g2000vba.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 24, 6:29*pm, Tosk wrote:
In article 7aed2ec8-fffe-4050-b159-07417cc78500
@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, says...



On Oct 24, 4:05*pm, H the K wrote:
...have an idiot as president and a criminal as vice president:

http://tinyurl.com/yhc57ex

Photos.

Yeah, now we have a moron for president and a clown for veep.

Or an idiot for veep and a crim for pres..

What crime has Obama ever been convicted of in a court of law? For
that matter, what has he ever been charged with?

It's the company you keep. I would ask you the same question about
Bush... Then I would follow with which one has more friends that have
been convicted, jailed, in respect to crimes...

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:50:37 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker
wrote:

On Oct 24, 6:29*pm, Tosk wrote:
In article 7aed2ec8-fffe-4050-b159-07417cc78500
@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, says...



On Oct 24, 4:05*pm, H the K wrote:
...have an idiot as president and a criminal as vice president:

http://tinyurl.com/yhc57ex

Photos.

Yeah, now we have a moron for president and a clown for veep.

Or an idiot for veep and a crim for pres..

What crime has Obama ever been convicted of in a court of law? For
that matter, what has he ever been charged with?

Loogy, is it your belief that no crime has ever been committed by one
who wasn't charged or convicted?

I would bet there's been some crimes committed right there in Atlanta
for which no one has been charged or convicted.

I personally think the attempts to stifle a free press are criminal
activities, don't you?

On Oct 25, 9:20*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:50:37 -0700 (PDT),Loogypicker





wrote:
On Oct 24, 6:29*pm, Tosk wrote:
In article 7aed2ec8-fffe-4050-b159-07417cc78500
@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 24, 4:05*pm, H the K wrote:
...have an idiot as president and a criminal as vice president:

http://tinyurl.com/yhc57ex

Photos.

Yeah, now we have a moron for president and a clown for veep.

Or an idiot for veep and a crim for pres..

What crime has Obama ever been convicted of in a court of law? For
that matter, what has he ever been charged with?



Loogy, is it your belief that no crime has ever been committed by one
who wasn't charged or convicted?

No, but I don't go around accusing someone of commiting a crime
without evidence of such. Harry does that, too you know.

I would bet there's been some crimes committed right there in Atlanta
for which no one has been charged or convicted.

But does that mean that you blame a specific person for those crimes
without evidence of such?

I personally think the attempts to stifle a free press are criminal
activities, don't you?

Are you talking about Bush?:

Imprisoning journalists

Other than the fact that the President believes that he has the power
to break the law and has been continuously exercising that power, the
issue about which I've written most on this blog is the sweeping and
dangerous attacks by this administration on investigative journalism.
Those two issues are quite related, as the latter is intended to
conceal and thus enable the former.

The administration's assault on a free and vital press took a huge
leap forward this weekend, when Attorney General Alberto Gonazles
announced on national television that the Bush administration has the
power to imprison journalists who publish stories revealing conduct by
the President which the administration wants to conceal (such as the
warrantless NSA eavesdropping program, which he specifically cited).
Gonazles went further and made clear that the administration is
actively considering prosecution against journalists who publish such
stories.

On Oct 25, 7:55*pm, Tosk wrote:
In article aeaf68cb-b49a-4aa0-bbea-2cbff61c3a24
@l34g2000vba.googlegroups.com, says...







On Oct 24, 6:29*pm, Tosk wrote:
In article 7aed2ec8-fffe-4050-b159-07417cc78500
@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 24, 4:05*pm, H the K wrote:
...have an idiot as president and a criminal as vice president:

http://tinyurl.com/yhc57ex

Photos.

Yeah, now we have a moron for president and a clown for veep.

Or an idiot for veep and a crim for pres..

What crime has Obama ever been convicted of in a court of law? For
that matter, what has he ever been charged with?

It's the company you keep. I would ask you the same question about
Bush... Then I would follow with which one has more friends that have
been convicted, jailed, in respect to crimes...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So if someone knows someone who's committed a crime, they are
automatically guilty of crimes themselves?????

In article fd64f073-8eb4-4d46-89c9-
,
says...

On Oct 25, 9:20*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:50:37 -0700 (PDT),Loogypicker





wrote:
On Oct 24, 6:29*pm, Tosk wrote:
In article 7aed2ec8-fffe-4050-b159-07417cc78500
@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 24, 4:05*pm, H the K wrote:
...have an idiot as president and a criminal as vice president:

http://tinyurl.com/yhc57ex

Photos.

Yeah, now we have a moron for president and a clown for veep.

Or an idiot for veep and a crim for pres..

What crime has Obama ever been convicted of in a court of law? For
that matter, what has he ever been charged with?



Loogy, is it your belief that no crime has ever been committed by one
who wasn't charged or convicted?

No, but I don't go around accusing someone of commiting a crime
without evidence of such. Harry does that, too you know.

I would bet there's been some crimes committed right there in Atlanta
for which no one has been charged or convicted.

But does that mean that you blame a specific person for those crimes
without evidence of such?

I personally think the attempts to stifle a free press are criminal
activities, don't you?

Are you talking about Bush?:

Imprisoning journalists

Other than the fact that the President believes that he has the power
to break the law and has been continuously exercising that power, the
issue about which I've written most on this blog is the sweeping and
dangerous attacks by this administration on investigative journalism.
Those two issues are quite related, as the latter is intended to
conceal and thus enable the former.

The administration's assault on a free and vital press took a huge
leap forward this weekend, when Attorney General Alberto Gonazles
announced on national television that the Bush administration has the
power to imprison journalists who publish stories revealing conduct by
the President which the administration wants to conceal (such as the
warrantless NSA eavesdropping program, which he specifically cited).
Gonazles went further and made clear that the administration is
actively considering prosecution against journalists who publish such
stories.

I think it's always been illegal to leak or publish classified
information, and a judge has the power to imprison any journalist who
will not answer a subpoena inquiring where the classified information
came from, what's the problem. With Obama, we are not talking about
classified information, we are talking about violations of the first,
fifth, and possibly the fourteenth amendment...

In article e353cb62-c9c6-4cad-9329-
,
says...

On Oct 25, 7:55*pm, Tosk wrote:
In article aeaf68cb-b49a-4aa0-bbea-2cbff61c3a24
@l34g2000vba.googlegroups.com, says...







On Oct 24, 6:29*pm, Tosk wrote:
In article 7aed2ec8-fffe-4050-b159-07417cc78500
@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 24, 4:05*pm, H the K wrote:
...have an idiot as president and a criminal as vice president:

http://tinyurl.com/yhc57ex

Photos.

Yeah, now we have a moron for president and a clown for veep.

Or an idiot for veep and a crim for pres..

What crime has Obama ever been convicted of in a court of law? For
that matter, what has he ever been charged with?

It's the company you keep. I would ask you the same question about
Bush... Then I would follow with which one has more friends that have
been convicted, jailed, in respect to crimes...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So if someone knows someone who's committed a crime, they are
automatically guilty of crimes themselves?????

I was just making a point. If Obama can't be tarred with the brush of
his friends just because he hasn't been convicted of a crime, neither
can Bush or Cheney...

On Oct 26, 11:27*am, Tosk wrote:
In article e353cb62-c9c6-4cad-9329-
,
says...







On Oct 25, 7:55*pm, Tosk wrote:
In article aeaf68cb-b49a-4aa0-bbea-2cbff61c3a24
@l34g2000vba.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 24, 6:29*pm, Tosk wrote:
In article 7aed2ec8-fffe-4050-b159-07417cc78500
@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 24, 4:05*pm, H the K wrote:
...have an idiot as president and a criminal as vice president:

http://tinyurl.com/yhc57ex

Photos.

Yeah, now we have a moron for president and a clown for veep.

Or an idiot for veep and a crim for pres..

What crime has Obama ever been convicted of in a court of law? For
that matter, what has he ever been charged with?

It's the company you keep. I would ask you the same question about
Bush... Then I would follow with which one has more friends that have
been convicted, jailed, in respect to crimes...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So if someone knows someone who's committed a crime, they are
automatically guilty of crimes themselves?????

I was just making a point. If Obama can't be tarred with the brush of
his friends just because he hasn't been convicted of a crime, neither
can Bush or Cheney...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bush HAS been convicted of crimes before. He was convicted of drunk
driving and THEN lied repeatedly to cover it up.

And Cheney has been convicted TWICE of drunk driving:

Court and police records obtained by The Smoking Gun show that Cheney
was convicted of drunk driving twice during an eight-month period in
the early 1960s in his home state of Wyoming. The two convictions came
when Cheney was 21 and 22 and resulted in fines and a brief suspension
of his driver's license.

On November 2, in the wake of the Bush DWI discovery, a Cheney
spokesperson told reporters that the vice presidential candidate also
had a rap sheet. But the Bush-Cheney campaign refused to provide any
further details about the DWI busts. So TSG will now handle that
chore.

On Oct 26, 11:26*am, Tosk wrote:
In article fd64f073-8eb4-4d46-89c9-
,
says...







On Oct 25, 9:20*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:50:37 -0700 (PDT),Loogypicker

wrote:
On Oct 24, 6:29*pm, Tosk wrote:
In article 7aed2ec8-fffe-4050-b159-07417cc78500
@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 24, 4:05*pm, H the K wrote:
...have an idiot as president and a criminal as vice president:

http://tinyurl.com/yhc57ex

Photos.

Yeah, now we have a moron for president and a clown for veep.

Or an idiot for veep and a crim for pres..

What crime has Obama ever been convicted of in a court of law? For
that matter, what has he ever been charged with?

Loogy, is it your belief that no crime has ever been committed by one
who wasn't charged or convicted?

No, but I don't go around accusing someone of commiting a crime
without evidence of such. Harry does that, too you know.

I would bet there's been some crimes committed right there in Atlanta
for which no one has been charged or convicted.

But does that mean that you blame a specific person for those crimes
without evidence of such?

I personally think the attempts to stifle a free press are criminal
activities, don't you?

Are you talking about Bush?:

Imprisoning journalists

Other than the fact that the President believes that he has the power
to break the law and has been continuously exercising that power, the
issue about which I've written most on this blog is the sweeping and
dangerous attacks by this administration on investigative journalism.
Those two issues are quite related, as the latter is intended to
conceal and thus enable the former.

The administration's assault on a free and vital press took a huge
leap forward this weekend, when Attorney General Alberto Gonazles
announced on national television that the Bush administration has the
power to imprison journalists who publish stories revealing conduct by
the President which the administration wants to conceal (such as the
warrantless NSA eavesdropping program, which he specifically cited).
Gonazles went further and made clear that the administration is
actively considering prosecution against journalists who publish such
stories.

I think it's always been illegal to leak or publish classified
information, and a judge has the power to imprison any journalist who
will not answer a subpoena inquiring where the classified information
came from, what's the problem. With Obama, we are not talking about
classified information, we are talking about violations of the first,
fifth, and possibly the fourteenth amendment...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There's more to Bush's efforts to gag the press:

Thin skinned: Bush tries to stifle his critics
One of the most disturbing things about Bush is that he consistently
works to silence his critics using his money and power, including
state police and expensive lawyers. Not since Richard Nixon has a
major presidential candidate been so quick to prevent his opponents
from free speech. At the very least, this shows he doesn't understand
big-league politics and may not be tough enough to handle more serious
opponents, such as hostile foreign countries and terrorists. At worst,
it may be a sign of Nixon-like paranoia; that president's thin-skin
started out with similar small potatos and grew to bring down his
presidency amid enemies' lists, illegal break-ins of his opponent's
offices, and forcing the IRS to audit his enemies.
Bush can't blame this on his staff, either; it comes from the top.
When asked about one critical web site, he told the press "There ought
to be limits to freedom. We're aware of this site, and this guy is
just a garbage man, that's all he is."

As governor of Texas, for example, Bush Junior has sent the state
police to arrest peaceful demonstrators outside the governors mansion.
While previous governors allowed peaceful pickets on the public
sidewalk outside the mansion, Bush has claimed that they are blocking
public access, and had them arrested. Not all protestors, either --
just the ones he doesn't want the press to see.

In the 2000 primaries, Bush supporters including NY Governor Pataki
sued to keep John McCain and Steve Forbes off the New York primary
ballot in several congressional districts. Bush denied any
involvement, fooling no one, but after McCain's decisive New Hampshire
victory made the move look ridiculous, Bush and his top strategist
Karl Rove called up his establishment minions, after which they
instantly announced that they were stopping their efforts to keep
McCain off the ballot. Ironically, all of the attention to ballot
rules revealed that a number of Bush delegates and alternates used
fraudulent signatures to qualify for the ballot. As a result, it
appears that McCain and Forbes will be on the ballot statewise, but
George Bush Jr. won't be in one Bronx congressional district.

Bush also can't stand criticism on the Internet. His campaign quietly
-- and probably illegally -- bought up over 200 anti-Bush domain names
including "bushsucks.com", "bushbites.com", and "bushblows.com" over a
year ago. (Illegally because he had refused to register as a
candidate, as part of his effort to make it look like people were
begging him to run, so spending money for his campaign was not
allowed.) If you type in any of these URLs, you end up at Bush's
official web site. His campaign refuses to say whether this means that
they admit that he bites, blows and sucks. (Maybe he used to be a
White House intern?)

If you wanted to set up one of those sites, breathe easy because many
good names are still available. The Bush camp somehow neglected to
purchase "bushisaprick.com", "bushisweak.com", or
"bushsucksdonkeydicks.com", so $70 makes them yours.

Even worse, Bush and his high-priced lawyers have tried twice to shut
down a web site -- www.gwbush.com -- that parodies the Bush campaign,
in particular his "no comment" answers on drug use in his past. You
will recall that Bush has said it doesn't matter what he did "in his
youth," because the question is "have you grown up" and "have you
learned from your mistakes." The parody site presents a new program
called "Amnesty 2000", in which Bush "proposes" pardoning all drug
convicts who have "grown up."

The Bush campaign filed one complaint about the site in April 1999,
after which the parody site's owners changed it to look less like the
real Bush site. That wasn't good enough though, and Bush lawyers filed
against the site again in May 1999. So far, it remains in business

But I know, he's a conservative, so he gets a free pass.

Loogypicker wrote:
On Oct 26, 11:27 am, Tosk wrote:
In article e353cb62-c9c6-4cad-9329-
,
says...







On Oct 25, 7:55 pm, Tosk wrote:
In article aeaf68cb-b49a-4aa0-bbea-2cbff61c3a24
@l34g2000vba.googlegroups.com, says...
On Oct 24, 6:29 pm, Tosk wrote:
In article 7aed2ec8-fffe-4050-b159-07417cc78500
@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, says...
On Oct 24, 4:05 pm, H the K wrote:
...have an idiot as president and a criminal as vice president:
http://tinyurl.com/yhc57ex
Photos.
Yeah, now we have a moron for president and a clown for veep.
Or an idiot for veep and a crim for pres..
What crime has Obama ever been convicted of in a court of law? For
that matter, what has he ever been charged with?
It's the company you keep. I would ask you the same question about
Bush... Then I would follow with which one has more friends that have
been convicted, jailed, in respect to crimes...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So if someone knows someone who's committed a crime, they are
automatically guilty of crimes themselves?????
I was just making a point. If Obama can't be tarred with the brush of
his friends just because he hasn't been convicted of a crime, neither
can Bush or Cheney...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bush HAS been convicted of crimes before. He was convicted of drunk
driving and THEN lied repeatedly to cover it up.

And Cheney has been convicted TWICE of drunk driving:

Court and police records obtained by The Smoking Gun show that Cheney
was convicted of drunk driving twice during an eight-month period in
the early 1960s in his home state of Wyoming. The two convictions came
when Cheney was 21 and 22 and resulted in fines and a brief suspension
of his driver's license.

On November 2, in the wake of the Bush DWI discovery, a Cheney
spokesperson told reporters that the vice presidential candidate also
had a rap sheet. But the Bush-Cheney campaign refused to provide any
further details about the DWI busts. So TSG will now handle that
chore.

Have you checked out Krause's rap sheet?