On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:30:22 -0400, (charles bash)
wrote:

Vary interesting but I suspect that this guy the Fortune Teller doesn't
appreciate the massive loss of our manufacturing base due to Free Trade,
and the Resultant effect of our Nation moving into, {{ commonly called
}} a "Service Economy!! N'est Pas? He could well be right on the
"Trends" because that is what he is looking at. Clever at uncovering
Trends. That's his Bag.

The revival of our economy, beginning during and after Recessions and
"slow downs", has traditionally been the revival First,, of The
Manufacturing Component of "our economy".
This has been the tradition, and economists have quoted this, for at
least 30 or 40 years. But they are not quoting it AFAICanSee,,, now!
Because manufacturing Revival can't be big enough ennymore.! The tail
to wag the Whole Dog!

Look at all our hardware gadgets, all our electronic stuff, our clothing
and shoes Made Overseas and no one in Politics CONCERNED about a $ 700
Billion dollar Trade Deficit! For 2008. Aye! There's the Rub!! Our
automoble industry in bankruptcy!

Whereas "manufacturing" is only 10 percent of "our economy",, in
decades prior to the 1980's , say 1950's and 1960's manufacturing was
as high as 33 percent of "our economy"

Whats-his-name may well be right on his forecast here, but the Truth,,
and the Whole Truth. he is not giving us. { that I have seen here} The
Causes of his "trends"!.

President of the World Bank, a few days ago Warned of the US Consuming
more than it Produces for Decades! He ascribes the pre-eminence of "the
Dollar" as the vehicle that made it possible for America to do this. By
"borrowing" from ready lenders,, living "beyond our means" For Decades!!

I posted here a few days ago about Mr Zoellick's observations on the
pre-eminence of "the dollar". And it may be ending.. { will try to keep
you informed on 'the dollar'. I need to branch out to other currencies
than just the Euro } The dollar is Not Finished yet. Other economies
and their currencies are in trouble, too !

Well we can't say Karl Marx didn't warn us on Free Trade == Free
Trade Will Bring About The Revolt Of the Working Class Well, We
shall see.
C. Bash

~ jezizz, 2012 is less than 3 years off ~

Welcome the chaos and despair. Only if America hits bottam can it
be properly rebuilt. Otherwise, the slow-rusting death of a divided
country with social disruptions becoming everyday news.

ted

http://www.americanworker.org/ American Worker

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:17:51 -0700, wrote:

Welcome the chaos and despair. Only if America hits bottam can it
be properly rebuilt. Otherwise, the slow-rusting death of a divided
country with social disruptions becoming everyday news.

That's the argument terrorists use, especially when their targets are
local. But rebuilding from the bottom historically has been when
the worst evils are committed.

People have been better off where change continues without hitting
bottom. But those advocating hitting bottom do so because they
don't like forward change - they want to go back to a past that never
was.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

Howard Brazee wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:17:51 -0700, wrote:

Welcome the chaos and despair. Only if America hits bottam can it
be properly rebuilt. Otherwise, the slow-rusting death of a divided
country with social disruptions becoming everyday news.

That's the argument terrorists use, especially when their targets are
local. But rebuilding from the bottom historically has been when
the worst evils are committed.

People have been better off where change continues without hitting
bottom. But those advocating hitting bottom do so because they
don't like forward change - they want to go back to a past that never
was.

Trouble is, so very few have the diciple or IQ to anticipate. Take
Pearl Harbor, they should have been on alert and not golfing. Most
people are denialists, a major flaw in our species which allows our easy
manipualtion toward nafarious ends.

Hitting bottom is necessary for the masses to wake up and smell the
coffee that liberalism and corruption are the problem, not the solution.

On 10/11/09 12:30 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
Howard Brazee wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:17:51 -0700, wrote:

Welcome the chaos and despair. Only if America hits bottam can it
be properly rebuilt. Otherwise, the slow-rusting death of a divided
country with social disruptions becoming everyday news.

That's the argument terrorists use, especially when their targets are
local. But rebuilding from the bottom historically has been when
the worst evils are committed.

People have been better off where change continues without hitting
bottom. But those advocating hitting bottom do so because they
don't like forward change - they want to go back to a past that never
was.

Trouble is, so very few have the diciple or IQ to anticipate. Take Pearl
Harbor, they should have been on alert and not golfing. Most people are
denialists, a major flaw in our species which allows our easy
manipualtion toward nafarious ends.

Hitting bottom is necessary for the masses to wake up and smell the
coffee that liberalism and corruption are the problem, not the solution.


You mean, of course, conservatism is the problem.


--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

On Oct 11, 9:16*am, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:17:51 -0700, wrote:
Welcome the chaos and despair. Only if America hits bottam can it
be properly rebuilt. Otherwise, the slow-rusting death of a divided
country with social disruptions becoming everyday news.

That's the argument terrorists use, especially when their targets are
local. * *But rebuilding from the bottom historically has been when
the worst evils are committed.

People have been better off where change continues without hitting
bottom. * *But those advocating hitting bottom do so because they
don't like forward change - they want to go back to a past that never
was.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

This sort of thing has happened before, and will happen again. the US
is not the Soviet Union. This will not cause the collapse of US
society. We have had the recession and deflation...still going through
the deflationary phase. In a few months we will get some real growth
and consequent inflation. When the value of the currency matches GDP
and other indices of real worth, we will get another period of
prolonged growth. While the ole boom/bust cycle is not well liked by
some progressives, it sure beats the permanent mandated bust phase
that result from progressivist policies.

What's more important is that the Blue Jackets are 3 - 1 to start the
season. The Sharks layed one on 'em though...man what a talented team
that is! The GM of the Senators needs to be taken out back and shot
for giving Heatley up to the Sharks! If they don't win it all this
year, they never will!

Canuck57 wrote:
Howard Brazee wrote:

People have been better off where change continues without hitting
bottom. But those advocating hitting bottom do so because they
don't like forward change - they want to go back to a past that never
was.

On what do you base this rather broadly stated assertion? I am sure
you are correct in some cases, but equally sure that it is not so in all
cases, perhaps even a large majority. As for "past that never was" -
some yes, most no. There have been better days in the USA. Returning
to living in a manner that accords with the principles of individual
liberty is not, as you would seem to imply, wrong-headed and
implausible. It is eminently doable, but people have got to get their
heads straightened out. That last bit, I contend, is the real kicker -
the single most important and by far difficult element in all of this
and one whose successful realization I am not optimistic for. But if
heads began popping out of anuses by the millions, there could be
fundamental change here in a very short while. But we are a mishmash of
conflicting opinions with near-terminal case of poisoning by
social-liberalism, amongst other thought maladies. If we are to survive
as a nation to be even worth crapping on, we most assuredly have our
work cut out for ourselves.

Trouble is, so very few have the diciple or IQ to anticipate. Take
Pearl Harbor, they should have been on alert and not golfing. Most
people are denialists, a major flaw in our species which allows our easy
manipualtion toward nafarious ends.

Hitting bottom is necessary for the masses to wake up and smell the
coffee that liberalism and corruption are the problem, not the solution.

I tend to agree with this. On the whole, people don't learn until they
get their asses beaten badly enough. Even then...

H the K wrote:

You mean, of course, conservatism is the problem.

Simplistic opinion. The term, much like "liberalism", has several
definitions. You would need to define your terms, but if you have no
intention of doing so in an adult manner, I would ask you not waste our
time.

Dinosaur_Sr wrote:

This sort of thing has happened before, and will happen again. the US
is not the Soviet Union.

Getting more like it by the minute these days. Do not make the fatal
error if believing that it cannot happen here. It can, and by slices,
it is.

This will not cause the collapse of US
society. We have had the recession and deflation...still going through
the deflationary phase.

This is no recession - it is depression. Mild at the moment, but there
are events on the horizon that are almost certain to come before long
that will turn the wick up a notch or two on our currently unwelcome
conditions. Just one example would be the coming wave of mortgage
foreclosures. That should be spread over the coming year or two. Based
on my reading, it stands to be a damned sight worse than the first wave.

And what about the likelihood of hyperinflation? While it would be
nice to be able to pay off the mortgage after only 20 minutes after
taking that job at McDonalds, the other side effects may not be so pleasant.

In a few months we will get some real growth
and consequent inflation.

Um... not likely. Runaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

When the value of the currency matches GDP
and other indices of real worth, we will get another period of
prolonged growth. While the ole boom/bust cycle is not well liked by
some progressives, it sure beats the permanent mandated bust phase
that result from progressivist policies.

The operative work here is "when". As it is currently proceeding,
Obama and congress may be defining "when" in terms of geological time
scales.

Demon Buddha wrote in
:

Dinosaur_Sr wrote:

This sort of thing has happened before, and will happen again. the US
is not the Soviet Union.

Getting more like it by the minute these days. Do not make the
fatal
error if believing that it cannot happen here. It can, and by slices,
it is.

This will not cause the collapse of US
society. We have had the recession and deflation...still going through
the deflationary phase.

This is no recession - it is depression. Mild at the moment, but
there
are events on the horizon that are almost certain to come before long
that will turn the wick up a notch or two on our currently unwelcome
conditions. Just one example would be the coming wave of mortgage
foreclosures. That should be spread over the coming year or two. Based
on my reading, it stands to be a damned sight worse than the first wave.

And what about the likelihood of hyperinflation? While it would be
nice to be able to pay off the mortgage after only 20 minutes after
taking that job at McDonalds, the other side effects may not be so
pleasant.

In a few months we will get some real growth
and consequent inflation.

Um... not likely. Runaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

When the value of the currency matches GDP
and other indices of real worth, we will get another period of
prolonged growth. While the ole boom/bust cycle is not well liked by
some progressives, it sure beats the permanent mandated bust phase
that result from progressivist policies.

The operative work here is "when". As it is currently proceeding,
Obama and congress may be defining "when" in terms of geological time
scales.


Don't forget the people like me who would rather see the house burn down than
go socialist.

Let the Record show that Demon Buddha on or about
Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:12:12 -0400 did write/type or cause to appear in
seattle.politics the following:


Trouble is, so very few have the diciple or IQ to anticipate. Take
Pearl Harbor, they should have been on alert and not golfing. Most
people are denialists, a major flaw in our species which allows our easy
manipualtion toward nafarious ends.

Hitting bottom is necessary for the masses to wake up and smell the
coffee that liberalism and corruption are the problem, not the solution.

I tend to agree with this. On the whole, people don't learn until they
get their asses beaten badly enough. Even then...

"The ear of the fool is in his back." Egyptian proverb I learned
while there.

-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.