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Those pesky facts again about healthcare
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:16:12 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? -- John H The infrastructure is in shambles, Bush promised to rebuild it. It's a lot better than when we went in. Girls are in school for one... Bull****!!! "The reasons for the intense support for al-Zaidi is that the people of Iraq have been experiencing the grim realities of life after the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of their country in 2003. Iraq’s physical infrastructure, destroyed by the invasion, continues to be in disrepair despite the Bush administration’s claims that $69 billion has been invested in Iraq. At least 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died owing to the occupation. Two million Iraqis have been forced to flee the country and live in squalid refugee camps. The number of internally displaced persons is said to be even larger." Max Boot, neocon editorialist and Senior Fellow at the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) wrote in an opinion column that; "It was no accident that he [Rumsfeld] neglected the kind of post-invasion planning needed to implement the sweeping changes envisioned by his boss, George W. Bush, and his erstwhile deputy, Paul Wolfowitz." Daniel Goure, neocon nuclear-warhawk, summed it up on the CFR website. "It is either an illegal, immoral, or mistaken enterprise foisted on the American public by a neo-con [servative] cabal or a legitimate, even noble, enterprise gone awry by the hubris of those at the White House and Pentagon. From the failures of intelligence and the lack of a plan for stability and reconstruction..." "The draft report, mentioned in the first paragraph above and with a preliminary title of; Hard Lessons: The Iraq Reconstruction Experience, states that, "... the US Government was not adequately prepared to carry out the reconstruction mission it took on..." - again ignoring the fact that this was not so much a failure of government as it was a disastrous failure of free market economics." How does current power generation compare with the Saddam era? "Experts say power disruptions and brownouts also occurred under Saddam but that service is even less reliable now. "There's no question that [power outages] are worse now," says a UN development official, who would only speak on condition of anonymity. After the first Gulf War, when U.S. planes shelled Iraqi power stations and disrupted much of the country's electricity grid, Saddam's government acted relatively quickly to restore service, especially in Baghdad" What is the status of Iraq’s oil production? "Oil output, which constitutes roughly half of Iraq's gross domestic product, is still well below its prewar level of 2.5 million barrels per day (bpd), an output that was already attenuated because of UN sanctions against Saddam's regime. Despite $1.7 billion of U.S. investment, Iraq is still producing below 2 million bpd, well short of its official OPEC quota of 3.5 million bpd. Monthly oil revenues from exports remain a meager $2.9 billion (by comparison, Saudi Arabia, the world's top oil producer, had monthly revenues last year of around $13 billion). U.S. officials are eager to boost Iraq's oil revenues to support the newly formed government and help pay for a number of planned projects. Iraq holds one of the world's largest untapped reserves of oil but its existing fields are sorely outdated and underdeveloped." And on and on..... Now go find a conservative pundit. Or do you want me to do it? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:40:19 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? That is a question none of them can answer... They just say it because Saturday Night Live and Jon Stewart told them to.. None of 'them'? Who is them? I can answer it. Bush promised to rebuild infrastructure, then did nothing. Oilwells and pipelines mangled, buildings blown up, roads broken, electric distribution ruined, water pipelines inoperative, and on and on. Also, Bush promised them political stability, and that promise never came to fruition either. So they have no oil pipelines, no electricity, no roads, no water, and on and on. Wow. You can make up some pretty good stuff, Loog. I wonder if they're killing babies as fast as liberals? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
H the K wrote:
Gene wrote: On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:27:18 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Gene wrote: | On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote: | | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL | | If we are going to have socialized medicine, why reinvent the wheel? | Let's just put everybody under the VA administration for health care | and, from what most of you folks say, everybody should be happy.... | | Why wouldn't that work? | |I'm guessing it would be acceptable to many here if it weren't for the |fact that there's a liberal in office. I find the silence deafening! Plus, this thread has gone on for so long that I doubt any facts are now to be found..... For many years, the VA's health services have been seriously underfunded. The previous occupant of the White House went to war without consider the impact the returning wounded would have on the military's medical delivery systems for active and separated service personnel. I see no reason for a federal medical service for "civilians." What is needed is a system that properly oversights control and operation of private health insurance companies. I think the Federal Employee Health Benefit Act provides the model. A "public" insurer owned by the taxpayers could easily be added to that sort of mix. At some point you have to ask yourself exactly what the "for profit" health insurance industry does to improve health care or delivery of same, aside from a 30% profit to the corporation and its owners. Damn. I agree with this post. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 3, 9:00 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 3:22 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? that you don't know tells us why we're in the mess we're in that you can't state what the mess is tells us you don't know what you are talking about but, you still have the issue don't you- the mess is that we've been there for 8 years and still haven't resolve the problem. i know to you right wingers, that's not an issue because a right wing president was failing, but to patriotic americans, it IS a problem You've stated that the mess is the problem and the a right wing president was failing but, you haven't stated why we are in Afghanistan. What is our goal in Afghanistan? and part of the problem is that you, like bush, can't see the problem You can't identify let alone state the problem. You freaking liberals latched onto Afghanistan as the good war and touted Iraq as the bad war. Iraq is quite and Afghanistan is turning to crap and you have egg on your face. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 3, 9:04 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: he's implementing good economics that the republicans themselves tried to get started last year. you don't know much about economics, do you? What "good ecomonics" is Obama implementing? high govt spending to make up for lack of consumer demand. Where does the government get its money? From a magic bag in Fort Knox? You do understand that the government does not create wealth. nor has the free market in the last year. in fact the free market DESTROYED wealth. you just seem to want to ignore the data. What the free market gives the free market takes. It is called a cycle. Ask the USSR, oops can't do that can you they went bankrupt. China understands it because they have private businesses.- china's economy grew faster than ours did last year. you were saying about how the rich help the middle class? You missed the point completely. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:56:20 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? It's BO's war. He could have been out long ago. Makes no difference who started it. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Right, I forgot, in conservative view, if history makes Bush look bad, then by gawd there IS no history. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:02:05 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? -- John H The infrastructure is in shambles, Bush promised to rebuild it. Bull****. And, you know it. That's not BO's excuse for staying there. -- John H Well, then, take a look for yourself....... http://www.cfr.org/publication/10971/ http://worldfocus.org/blog/2009/02/2...gue-iraq/4209/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...raq/html/1.stm Okay, now make excuses..... |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:16:12 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? -- John H The infrastructure is in shambles, Bush promised to rebuild it. It's a lot better than when we went in. Girls are in school for one... Bull****!!! "The reasons for the intense support for al-Zaidi is that the people of Iraq have been experiencing the grim realities of life after the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of their country in 2003. Iraq’s physical infrastructure, destroyed by the invasion, continues to be in disrepair despite the Bush administration’s claims that $69 billion has been invested in Iraq. At least 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died owing to the occupation. Two million Iraqis have been forced to flee the country and live in squalid refugee camps. The number of internally displaced persons is said to be even larger." Max Boot, neocon editorialist and Senior Fellow at the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) wrote in an opinion column that; "It was no accident that he [Rumsfeld] neglected the kind of post-invasion planning needed to implement the sweeping changes envisioned by his boss, George W. Bush, and his erstwhile deputy, Paul Wolfowitz." Daniel Goure, neocon nuclear-warhawk, summed it up on the CFR website. "It is either an illegal, immoral, or mistaken enterprise foisted on the American public by a neo-con [servative] cabal or a legitimate, even noble, enterprise gone awry by the hubris of those at the White House and Pentagon. From the failures of intelligence and the lack of a plan for stability and reconstruction..." "The draft report, mentioned in the first paragraph above and with a preliminary title of; Hard Lessons: The Iraq Reconstruction Experience, states that, "... the US Government was not adequately prepared to carry out the reconstruction mission it took on..." - again ignoring the fact that this was not so much a failure of government as it was a disastrous failure of free market economics." How does current power generation compare with the Saddam era? "Experts say power disruptions and brownouts also occurred under Saddam but that service is even less reliable now. "There's no question that [power outages] are worse now," says a UN development official, who would only speak on condition of anonymity. After the first Gulf War, when U.S. planes shelled Iraqi power stations and disrupted much of the country's electricity grid, Saddam's government acted relatively quickly to restore service, especially in Baghdad" What is the status of Iraq’s oil production? "Oil output, which constitutes roughly half of Iraq's gross domestic product, is still well below its prewar level of 2.5 million barrels per day (bpd), an output that was already attenuated because of UN sanctions against Saddam's regime. Despite $1.7 billion of U.S. investment, Iraq is still producing below 2 million bpd, well short of its official OPEC quota of 3.5 million bpd. Monthly oil revenues from exports remain a meager $2.9 billion (by comparison, Saudi Arabia, the world's top oil producer, had monthly revenues last year of around $13 billion). U.S. officials are eager to boost Iraq's oil revenues to support the newly formed government and help pay for a number of planned projects. Iraq holds one of the world's largest untapped reserves of oil but its existing fields are sorely outdated and underdeveloped." And on and on..... Now go find a conservative pundit. Or do you want me to do it? -- John H Why? From the above, are you still saying that Bush's infrastructure rebuilding program failure is "bull****"? |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:40:19 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? That is a question none of them can answer... They just say it because Saturday Night Live and Jon Stewart told them to.. None of 'them'? Who is them? I can answer it. Bush promised to rebuild infrastructure, then did nothing. Oilwells and pipelines mangled, buildings blown up, roads broken, electric distribution ruined, water pipelines inoperative, and on and on. Also, Bush promised them political stability, and that promise never came to fruition either. So they have no oil pipelines, no electricity, no roads, no water, and on and on. Wow. You can make up some pretty good stuff, Loog. I wonder if they're killing babies as fast as liberals? -- John H How fast are liberals killing babies? Also, I've given you plenty of reading material that backs my claims regarding Iraq's infrastructure and Bush's failure to rebuild. |
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