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Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. Cite? Here's a start, you only get a hundred thousand or so hits with google: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/max...contributions/ http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...rns-back-home/ http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2...campaign-cash/ |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... It's tough cleaning up the **** stains that Bush left. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
NotNow wrote:
D 2 wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:27:18 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Gene wrote: | On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote: | | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL | | If we are going to have socialized medicine, why reinvent the wheel? | Let's just put everybody under the VA administration for health care | and, from what most of you folks say, everybody should be happy.... | | Why wouldn't that work? | |I'm guessing it would be acceptable to many here if it weren't for the |fact that there's a liberal in office. I find the silence deafening! Plus, this thread has gone on for so long that I doubt any facts are now to be found..... For many years, the VA's health services have been seriously underfunded. The previous occupant of the White House went to war without consider the impact the returning wounded would have on the military's medical delivery systems for active and separated service personnel. I see no reason for a federal medical service for "civilians." What is needed is a system that properly oversights control and operation of private health insurance companies. I think the Federal Employee Health Benefit Act provides the model. A "public" insurer owned by the taxpayers could easily be added to that sort of mix. At some point you have to ask yourself exactly what the "for profit" health insurance industry does to improve health care or delivery of same, aside from a 30% profit to the corporation and its owners. Damn. I agree with this post. Are you okay??? I'll get over it. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
In article ,
says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. Cite? Here's a start, you only get a hundred thousand or so hits with google: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/max...contributions/ http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...rns-back-home/ http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2...campaign-cash/ So, I just read the links and they just don't address the republican bills and amendments. All they talk about is campaign cash, which goes around on both sides. Remember, Obama and Dodd got more money from Fannie and Freddi than anyone else.. Either way, it's obvious that the repub bills have been summarily dismissed, still no "change" there... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
In article ,
says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... It's tough cleaning up the **** stains that Bush left. See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns, instead of 200+ investigations about weather Scooter Libby remembered the right date of a conversation... Of course it was the best way to win an election and after all, who really got hurt anyway? snerk Wait till you see what is going to happen to our security while the Congress goes after Cheney through our intelligence agencies, in a personal vendetta of hypocrisy... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
So, I just read the links and they just don't address the republican bills and amendments. All they talk about is campaign cash, which goes around on both sides. Remember, Obama and Dodd got more money from Fannie and Freddi than anyone else.. Either way, it's obvious that the repub bills have been summarily dismissed, still no "change" there... This is rich and so obvious to anyone not a moron like JustHate. The GOP goal here was to water down health care reform bills with as much crap as the Republicans could attach to it and then...not vote for whatever emerged. **** the Republicans. All they have shown is that they have no interest in anything but tossing up roadblocks on the road to progress. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther Idiots All |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns... Take the reigns? The reigns? Doesn't the idiot know the difference between rein and reign? Well, at least he didn't misuse the word rain. :) -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger Idiots All |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. Cite? Here's a start, you only get a hundred thousand or so hits with google: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/max...contributions/ http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...rns-back-home/ http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2...campaign-cash/ So, I just read the links and they just don't address the republican bills and amendments. All they talk about is campaign cash, which goes around on both sides. Remember, Obama and Dodd got more money from Fannie and Freddi than anyone else.. Either way, it's obvious that the repub bills have been summarily dismissed, still no "change" there... I'm sorry, just what does Fannie and Freddie have to do with health care? |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... It's tough cleaning up the **** stains that Bush left. See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns, instead of 200+ investigations about weather Scooter Libby remembered the right date of a conversation... Of course it was the best way to win an election and after all, who really got hurt anyway? snerk Wait till you see what is going to happen to our security while the Congress goes after Cheney through our intelligence agencies, in a personal vendetta of hypocrisy... And we want to kill the elderly, don't forget..... |
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