Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
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says...
JustWait wrote:
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JustWait wrote:
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John H. wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:
So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today?
Never said that. But the history that counts starts today.
Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I
didn't buy the car today?

Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a
bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance.
Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many
liberals think Iraq was a bad idea.
--
Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing
what Rush thinks is right.
I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are
thinking alike on this issue.

As long as we all understand whose war it is now.
--
John H
Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone
started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first
place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no
bearing on what happens now?
Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us
out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent,
reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he
didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it.
Remember, half the country didn't...

You didn't answer my questions.
Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue...

You didn't answer my questions.
Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't
get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama
lie, or was he clueless?

Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush
****ed things up.
So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that.

Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a
conservative has nothing but spin.

liberal = bad
conservative = good.
Got it.
Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off.....

didn't realize=clueless

Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you
voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more
like the former.
--
John H

Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue.

So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush
did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of
the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were
"opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back
tonight for the list...

--
Wafa free since 2009

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

D 2 wrote:
H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:27:18 -0400, NotNow penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Gene wrote:
| On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:
| |
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL

| | If we are going to have socialized medicine, why reinvent the
wheel?
| Let's just put everybody under the VA administration for health care
| and, from what most of you folks say, everybody should be happy....
| | Why wouldn't that work?
|
|I'm guessing it would be acceptable to many here if it weren't for
the |fact that there's a liberal in office.

I find the silence deafening!

Plus, this thread has gone on for so long that I doubt any facts are
now to be found.....



For many years, the VA's health services have been seriously
underfunded. The previous occupant of the White House went to war
without consider the impact the returning wounded would have on the
military's medical delivery systems for active and separated service
personnel.

I see no reason for a federal medical service for "civilians." What is
needed is a system that properly oversights control and operation of
private health insurance companies. I think the Federal Employee
Health Benefit Act provides the model. A "public" insurer owned by the
taxpayers could easily be added to that sort of mix.

At some point you have to ask yourself exactly what the "for profit"
health insurance industry does to improve health care or delivery of
same, aside from a 30% profit to the corporation and its owners.


Damn. I agree with this post.

Are you okay???

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:01:43 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:02:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a
bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance.
Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many
liberals think Iraq was a bad idea.
--
because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the
mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals
want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about
anything
Uh, uh, what mess?
--
John H

The infrastructure is in shambles, Bush promised to rebuild it.

Bull****. And, you know it. That's not BO's excuse for staying there.
--
John H


Well, then, take a look for yourself.......

http://www.cfr.org/publication/10971/

http://worldfocus.org/blog/2009/02/2...gue-iraq/4209/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...raq/html/1.stm

Okay, now make excuses.....

Read what you post:

"I wish there is a person to blame or specific side to throw the blame
on but unfortunately there are countless sides and people to throw the
blame on…it’s all about corruption, decades of falling behind the
medical developments, physicians and doctors with little medical
ethics who will have high ethics when they leave Iraq, doctors who are
really bad in their job but holds important positions because they are
from a specific political party or they know “people”, sectarian
violence, gangs working under the mask of religion, people with agenda
of brain-killing Iraq…and the list goes on."

And, don't post crap that's three and a half years old pretending it
is current.

And, 'Bama hasn't said he's going to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure.
So, why's he keeping troops there?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:04:24 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:40:19 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a
bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance.
Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many
liberals think Iraq was a bad idea.
--
because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the
mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals
want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about
anything
Uh, uh, what mess?
That is a question none of them can answer... They just say it because
Saturday Night Live and Jon Stewart told them to..

None of 'them'? Who is them? I can answer it. Bush promised to rebuild
infrastructure, then did nothing. Oilwells and pipelines mangled,
buildings blown up, roads broken, electric distribution ruined, water
pipelines inoperative, and on and on. Also, Bush promised them political
stability, and that promise never came to fruition either.

So they have no oil pipelines, no electricity, no roads, no water, and
on and on.

Wow. You can make up some pretty good stuff, Loog. I wonder if they're
killing babies as fast as liberals?
--
John H


How fast are liberals killing babies?

Somewhere around 16,000 per year.

Also, I've given you plenty of reading material that backs my claims
regarding Iraq's infrastructure and Bush's failure to rebuild.

You're a good, if somewhat disillusioned, man.

--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

JustWait wrote:
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says...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
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says...
JustWait wrote:
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says...
JustWait wrote:
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says...
JustWait wrote:
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says...
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:
So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today?
Never said that. But the history that counts starts today.
Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I
didn't buy the car today?

Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a
bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance.
Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many
liberals think Iraq was a bad idea.
--
Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing
what Rush thinks is right.
I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are
thinking alike on this issue.

As long as we all understand whose war it is now.
--
John H
Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone
started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first
place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no
bearing on what happens now?
Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us
out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent,
reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he
didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it.
Remember, half the country didn't...

You didn't answer my questions.
Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue...

You didn't answer my questions.
Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't
get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama
lie, or was he clueless?

Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush
****ed things up.
So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that.

Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a
conservative has nothing but spin.

liberal = bad
conservative = good.
Got it.
Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off.....
didn't realize=clueless

Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you
voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more
like the former.
--
John H

Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue.

So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush
did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of
the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were
"opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back
tonight for the list...


What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs
where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did
Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to
take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that
shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:04:24 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:40:19 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a
bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance.
Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many
liberals think Iraq was a bad idea.
--
because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the
mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals
want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about
anything
Uh, uh, what mess?
That is a question none of them can answer... They just say it because
Saturday Night Live and Jon Stewart told them to..

None of 'them'? Who is them? I can answer it. Bush promised to rebuild
infrastructure, then did nothing. Oilwells and pipelines mangled,
buildings blown up, roads broken, electric distribution ruined, water
pipelines inoperative, and on and on. Also, Bush promised them political
stability, and that promise never came to fruition either.
So they have no oil pipelines, no electricity, no roads, no water, and
on and on.

Wow. You can make up some pretty good stuff, Loog. I wonder if they're
killing babies as fast as liberals?
--
John H

How fast are liberals killing babies?

Somewhere around 16,000 per year.

Really? How so?

Also, I've given you plenty of reading material that backs my claims
regarding Iraq's infrastructure and Bush's failure to rebuild.

You're a good man.

There, I fixed it for you!

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
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says...
JustWait wrote:
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says...
JustWait wrote:
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says...
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:
So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today?
Never said that. But the history that counts starts today.
Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I
didn't buy the car today?

Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a
bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance.
Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many
liberals think Iraq was a bad idea.
--
Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing
what Rush thinks is right.
I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are
thinking alike on this issue.

As long as we all understand whose war it is now.
--
John H
Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone
started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first
place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no
bearing on what happens now?
Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us
out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent,
reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he
didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it.
Remember, half the country didn't...

You didn't answer my questions.
Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue...

You didn't answer my questions.
Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't
get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama
lie, or was he clueless?

Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush
****ed things up.
So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that.

Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a
conservative has nothing but spin.

liberal = bad
conservative = good.
Got it.
Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off.....
didn't realize=clueless

Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you
voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more
like the former.
--
John H

Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue.

So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush
did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of
the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were
"opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back
tonight for the list...


What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs
where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did
Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to
take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that
shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts.

Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over
twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting
himself on the back for that feat.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

JustWait wrote:
Please tell me what Bush
did that was good in your eyes


A. He increased spending for HIV

B. He left office

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

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says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
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says...
JustWait wrote:
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says...
JustWait wrote:
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says...
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:
So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today?
Never said that. But the history that counts starts today.
Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I
didn't buy the car today?

Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a
bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance.
Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many
liberals think Iraq was a bad idea.
--
Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing
what Rush thinks is right.
I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are
thinking alike on this issue.

As long as we all understand whose war it is now.
--
John H
Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone
started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first
place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no
bearing on what happens now?
Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us
out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent,
reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he
didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it.
Remember, half the country didn't...

You didn't answer my questions.
Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue...

You didn't answer my questions.
Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't
get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama
lie, or was he clueless?

Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush
****ed things up.
So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that.

Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a
conservative has nothing but spin.

liberal = bad
conservative = good.
Got it.
Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off.....
didn't realize=clueless

Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you
voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more
like the former.
--
John H

Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue.

So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush
did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of
the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were
"opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back
tonight for the list...


What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs
where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers.

Cite?

What did
Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to
take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that
shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts.



--
Wafa free since 2009

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:
So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today?
Never said that. But the history that counts starts today.
Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I
didn't buy the car today?

Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a
bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance.
Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many
liberals think Iraq was a bad idea.
--
Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing
what Rush thinks is right.
I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are
thinking alike on this issue.

As long as we all understand whose war it is now.
--
John H
Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone
started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first
place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no
bearing on what happens now?
Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us
out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent,
reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he
didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it.
Remember, half the country didn't...

You didn't answer my questions.
Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue...

You didn't answer my questions.
Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't
get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama
lie, or was he clueless?

Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush
****ed things up.
So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that.

Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a
conservative has nothing but spin.

liberal = bad
conservative = good.
Got it.
Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off.....
didn't realize=clueless

Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you
voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more
like the former.
--
John H

Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue.

So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush
did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of
the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were
"opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back
tonight for the list...


What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs
where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did
Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to
take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that
shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts.

Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over
twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting
himself on the back for that feat.

Biden is...

--
Wafa free since 2009