Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 9:47*am, H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote:
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Indeed - lets talk pesky facts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...09/08/25/AR200....

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...tals-see-profi....

The model for Obama care.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/ar...ay_state_healt....

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas.../2009/08/15/30....

Did we mention rationing?

http://www.californiahealthline.org/...Budget-Pressur....

However, to be fair, here's your side of the issue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr..._boston_globe_....

Then there are the facts.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blu...on-globe-story....

But let's not stop there - another "obamacare" type system.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...egon_health_in....

Did we talk about death panels yet?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5517492&page=1

And of course, the best one of all - gambling for health care.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334813,00.html

Facts are pesky indeed.
You've done a VERY good job at what John would probably describe as
Obama derangement syndrome and have also done well at avoiding
mentioning anything about the lies that the conservatives are dishing
out about health care reform.

Cause every time you note one, it turns out to be an "is, is" thing.. We
call 'em "death panels", and you call 'em "end of life panels"...
snerk

Well, last day of summer for me and the kids.. bummer. The Mouse wants
to spend a year at Millsap, yeah right, maybe a week.

Are they anywhere near you?

http://www.mtfmx.com/

If you notice, they cross train with Jiu-Jitsu for strength, and
concentration...

Your kid wants to drop out of school to attend full-time motorcycle
riding school?

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One more time, just for luck;)

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

In article e9de1c54-6655-40ee-89a5-5ebdc5c493e0
@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com, says...

On Sep 1, 9:47*am, H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article , Not....
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One more time, just for luck;)

****.. I will get back with you all....

--
Wafa free since 2009

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:45:20 -0500, jpjccd wrote:

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:54:08 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:22:39 -0500, jpjccd wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:56:50 -0700, Jim wrote:

In fairness, the budget surplus was due to both parties cooperating.
It only took one party a few months to undue the surplus. Which one
was that?

Any reasonable debate will not be enhanced by citing cynical, biased
pieces written by partisans.

There has never been a "surplus."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

Not true. You can have a *budget* surplus and still have debt. Bush
did inherit a $128 billion surplus.

Not true? I will accept that if you can show me where I have stated
anything that is factually incorrect. Since I'm waging a war on
disingenuous semantics, you should also be able to show me where I used
the term "budget surplus." If you can do that, I may even be willing to
concede your "not true" indictment.

Still, just for a little bit of morning amusement, I'll proffer this;

"The only debt that matters is the total national debt. You can have a
surplus and a debt at the same time, but you can't have a surplus if the
amount of debt is going up each year. And the national debt went up
every single year under Clinton. Had Clinton really had a surplus the
national debt would have gone down. It didn't go down precisely because
Clinton had a deficit every single year. The U.S. Treasury's historical
record of the national debt verifies this.

A balanced budget or a budget surplus is a great thing, but it's only
relevant if the budget surplus turns into a real surplus at the end of
the fiscal year. In Clinton's case, it never did."

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

Talk about disingenuous. Let's see, Clinton did have a budget surplus.
Debt, as a percentage of GDP, went down. Our debt load went down, but
you are right, he didn't have a surplus.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Sep 1, 9:47 am, H the K wrote:


Nice post for a test..... to you I say, it's really too bad your kids
never had dreams...


Well, since I don't live through my children as you seem to, I don't
post a lot about them, their dreams or their exploits.

They did achieve a high level of academic and personal life success, though.

Perhaps if you had achieved something in your life, you wouldn't have to
live through the life of your kid.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 9:19*am, JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...







On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:00:22 -0400, H K
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:22:39 -0500, jpjccd wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:56:50 -0700, Jim wrote:

In fairness, the budget surplus was due to both parties cooperating. *It
only took one party a few months to undue the surplus. *Which one was
that?
Any reasonable debate will not be enhanced by citing cynical, biased
pieces written by partisans.

There has never been a "surplus."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

Not true. *You can have a *budget* surplus and still have debt. *Bush did
inherit a $128 billion surplus.

According to the Repubs here, it just isn't *fair* to keep bringing up
Bush as if he were responsible for the messes Obama inherited.

I mean, just because Bush was the worst president in the history of this
country, and screwed up just about everything he touched, and did so
over eight years, he's been out of office for months now.

A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a *better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic

Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.


the fact is bush had ample intelligence warnings that something was
coming. i don't blame bush for 9/11 but it's ridiculous to blame obama
for things that are plainly bush's fault

you need to learn some history...as in 12 months ago

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

JustWait wrote:
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says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
yeah, remember Obama said "we are by that now, we are looking forward"
in reference to the rebirth of the new investigation of the CIA.. Just
because they have to deflect for Pelosi who lied to congress about
them.... snerk

spin, spin spin.....
Spin ****ing nothing.. He said he was by it, now he is back to it, what
there is spin??

Things change, people change their minds. It's the way things get ironed
out. In my line of work, I change typical details that I've used for
years because things change like design guidelines, etc.

Just last month he said he was not going to go back and override the
reviews already done by the DOJ... It's pure politics and it will
backfire, trust me.


It's ALL politics, what else happens in Washington on BOTH sides of the
fence? Trouble is, it seems as though you don't mind if the
conservatives do it.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

JustWait wrote:
In article d15b11c3-d7af-4a0a-9336-
,
says...
On Sep 1, 9:34 am, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."
Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".
Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
yeah, remember Obama said "we are by that now, we are looking forward"
in reference to the rebirth of the new investigation of the CIA.. Just
because they have to deflect for Pelosi who lied to congress about
them.... snerk
spin, spin spin.....
Spin ****ing nothing.. He said he was by it, now he is back to it, what
there is spin??
Things change, people change their minds. It's the way things get ironed
out. In my line of work, I change typical details that I've used for
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Test... No, you are not blocked................yet;)

Yeah! This version works... I set up my filters to block not only WAFA,
but any replies to anything he posts. Just did a couple of tests and it
seems to be working, the last version let some through. I will keep you
posted, later. RMR.. Home of kiddie racing and all sorts of other
dreams...



I've got to get mine up and running, Tbird is okay, but not great!

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
yeah, remember Obama said "we are by that now, we are looking forward"
in reference to the rebirth of the new investigation of the CIA.. Just
because they have to deflect for Pelosi who lied to congress about
them.... snerk

spin, spin spin.....
Spin ****ing nothing.. He said he was by it, now he is back to it, what
there is spin??

Things change, people change their minds. It's the way things get ironed
out. In my line of work, I change typical details that I've used for
years because things change like design guidelines, etc.

Just last month he said he was not going to go back and override the
reviews already done by the DOJ... It's pure politics and it will
backfire, trust me.


It's ALL politics, what else happens in Washington on BOTH sides of the
fence? Trouble is, it seems as though you don't mind if the
conservatives do it.

Yeah, but this time, the American people are the bait...

--
Wafa free since 2009

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:08:59 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 31, 5:02*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:



On Aug 31, 3:33*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...

A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--

how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?

how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?

More 'Bush Rationale' which has nothing to do with the Obamacare Act.
--

uh...no. a comparison is being made between policies of the GOP which
benefit the top 1% and those of the democrats which benefit the middle
class


Uh, uh, uh, uh, the subject was healthcare. Obamacare, to be specific.

those who are sycophants of the rich hate the middle class and want
them to be held in poverty...think mexico.

Get over it. You should have paid attention to your assets. A fool and
his money are soon parted. Don't cry over spilled milk, etc. By now
you should get it.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 1:53*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:08:59 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 31, 5:02*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 31, 3:33*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...

A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--

how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?

how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?

More 'Bush Rationale' which has nothing to do with the Obamacare Act.
--

uh...no. a comparison is being made between policies of the GOP which
benefit the top 1% and those of the democrats which benefit the middle
class

Uh, uh, uh, uh, the subject was healthcare. Obamacare, to be specific.

uh no. the subject was liars and who steals money. you think obama
does, while you grovel in poverty, courtesy of the GOP.

those who are sycophants of the rich hate the middle class and want
them to be held in poverty...think mexico.

Get over it. You should have paid attention to your assets. A fool and
his money are soon parted. Don't cry over spilled milk, etc. By now
you should get it.
--

i did pay attention. me and a hundred million other hard working
middle class americans who thought the rich would, as they said they
would, provide a decent retirement income if we trusted them

you know...like you continue to say we should...