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A fading Obama screw-up
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... thunder wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:42:41 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. So, let's go with the Republican plan. Oh, that's right, they don't have one, and from what I can see, there are only about 3 Republican Senators giving input to the Democrats. The rest are behaving as the Party of NO! I there have been several Republican plans put forth. But as the private citizen who dare to say anything against the obamanation, they were shunted out the door, and never got heard in committee. Loogie has not seen any of that in the news. Indeed, there are several house members (GOP) who have put forward bills and proposals and all of them have been shut out and even censored... Many, many people on both sides have. Putting forth little things here and there doesn't make a comprehensive plan. |
A fading Obama screw-up
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NotNow wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 11, 11:16 am, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...hcare-reform-t... I have read the Honduran constitution and it specifically required the military to act to remove the Pres, not the police. Zelaya was not exiled, he was simply told that if he came back he would be arrested for his illegal actions. He can go back whenever he wants but he will be arrested as REQUIRED by the constitution. The reality is that Obama DOES NOT support constitutional law. Zelaya attempted to mount a coup and got caught. Thunder sis simply wrong and does not even try to find out the real situation. What does that have to do with the facts I posted about the fallacy that most people in the U.S. don't want the government to help sort out the screwed up healthcare system? What is the #1 problem with health care, not health insurance, in the USA? Again, what does this have to do with the fact that it is pure fallacy that "most" people in the U.S. don't want the government to help sort out the healthcare debacle? The right is sending out SO much misinformation that it's kind of funny. Last night, ABC news. They interview one of those screaming, yelling, off the wall right wingers at a town hall meeting. Sir, what is your main concern? "I don't want the government telling me I have to give up my private insurance". Sir, does it say that in the bill? "Yes, if you read page 16". Now, he was either coached to say that or he didn't read it. Why? Because what it says is simply that the private insurance companies have five years to comply with new government guidelines about things like not being allowed to drop you because of certain conditions, etc. Now, again, someone is either stupid or not being honest. Which? |
A fading Obama screw-up
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says... Calif Bill wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. The above poll is exclusive to the government reformation. But where does it address the plan as currently proposed? People want reform. But the reform needs to be helpful. Oh, so the majority of Americans are for the proposed plan, then it must be helpful. Take a reading comprehension course. Your statement is exactly 180 degrees from what I stated. They want healthcare costs reigned in, but the majority are not enthused with the Obama / House plan as it is now proposed. Cite? Sure, go back and reinsert the second link I posted yesterday from the Huffington Post, didn't you read it, it was pretty clear? -- Wafa free since 2009 |
A fading Obama screw-up
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says... BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx Yes, we want health care reform. Not a govt. takeover.. Think Tort reform, and freedom of choice across state lines. Those two issues alone would make a huge difference but the Democrats will not go against the trial lawyers.. Did you LOOK at the poll? Notice the words "a USA Today/Gallup poll finds 56% of Americans in favor and 33% opposed to Congress' passing major healthcare reform legislation this year." If I'm not mistaken, "congress" IS government! Did they bother to ask what form the "health care reform" should take? I didn't think so. Not the point. Several on the right have said that the majority of Americans don't want government to reform health care. That is not true. Not true, not one of us has said that. What we have said is that the majority of Americans don't want "this proposed" health care. Please go back and read the second link I posted yesterday after you posted the above link from Gallop which did not deal with "this health care" at all, only "health care" in general... I know you get this.. -- Wafa free since 2009 |
A fading Obama screw-up
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says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx Yes, we want health care reform. Not a govt. takeover.. Think Tort reform, and freedom of choice across state lines. Those two issues alone would make a huge difference but the Democrats will not go against the trial lawyers.. Did you LOOK at the poll? Notice the words "a USA Today/Gallup poll finds 56% of Americans in favor and 33% opposed to Congress' passing major healthcare reform legislation this year." If I'm not mistaken, "congress" IS government! Yes, everyone wants healthcare, but not this plan, period... Every poll that directly addresses "the plan as it is now" is against it, strongly. By a much bigger mandate than the 1-2% "mandate" Obama won... http://www.hcla.org/pdf/HCLA%2006%20...ct%20Sheet.pdf That is one piece of the pie, again... Why do you keep editing out the link from the Huffington Post I put up yesterday? I deleted my read articles yesterday so I don't have it right here... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
A fading Obama screw-up
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says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:42:41 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. So, let's go with the Republican plan. Oh, that's right, they don't have one, and from what I can see, there are only about 3 Republican Senators giving input to the Democrats. The rest are behaving as the Party of NO! That is bull... Total. The republicans have sumitted a plan, look it up. Their plan has been rejected outright and the democrats refused to debate it in comittee or even consider it, that is the facts mon... Where is it? Right he http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...lth-care-pl_n_ 205728.html or http://tinyurl.com/o7dp5e I don't make it up as I go along ya' know.. Jesus, did you read it? It's exactly what we have now! Jesus? Well, thanks for the compliment, but I am not even close... Assuming you are not talking about the guy down on the corner;) Either way, I gotta' go see dad now.. Later. -- Wafa free since 2009 |
A fading Obama screw-up
In article ,
says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... thunder wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:42:41 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. So, let's go with the Republican plan. Oh, that's right, they don't have one, and from what I can see, there are only about 3 Republican Senators giving input to the Democrats. The rest are behaving as the Party of NO! I there have been several Republican plans put forth. But as the private citizen who dare to say anything against the obamanation, they were shunted out the door, and never got heard in committee. Loogie has not seen any of that in the news. Indeed, there are several house members (GOP) who have put forward bills and proposals and all of them have been shut out and even censored... Many, many people on both sides have. Putting forth little things here and there doesn't make a comprehensive plan. Yes, and several on the right have put up bills, not just amendments... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
A fading Obama screw-up
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:43:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx Yes, we want health care reform. Not a govt. takeover.. Think Tort reform, and freedom of choice across state lines. Those two issues alone would make a huge difference but the Democrats will not go against the trial lawyers.. Did you LOOK at the poll? Notice the words "a USA Today/Gallup poll finds 56% of Americans in favor and 33% opposed to Congress' passing major healthcare reform legislation this year." If I'm not mistaken, "congress" IS government! Yes, everyone wants healthcare, but not this plan, period... Every poll that directly addresses "the plan as it is now" is against it, strongly. By a much bigger mandate than the 1-2% "mandate" Obama won... http://www.hcla.org/pdf/HCLA%2006%20...ct%20Sheet.pdf That is one piece of the pie, again... Why do you keep editing out the link from the Huffington Post I put up yesterday? I deleted my read articles yesterday so I don't have it right here... Here it is: Right he http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...lth-care-pl_n_ 205728.html or http://tinyurl.com/o7dp5e I don't make it up as I go along ya' know.. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
A fading Obama screw-up
In article ,
says... On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:43:57 -0400, JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx Yes, we want health care reform. Not a govt. takeover.. Think Tort reform, and freedom of choice across state lines. Those two issues alone would make a huge difference but the Democrats will not go against the trial lawyers.. Did you LOOK at the poll? Notice the words "a USA Today/Gallup poll finds 56% of Americans in favor and 33% opposed to Congress' passing major healthcare reform legislation this year." If I'm not mistaken, "congress" IS government! Yes, everyone wants healthcare, but not this plan, period... Every poll that directly addresses "the plan as it is now" is against it, strongly. By a much bigger mandate than the 1-2% "mandate" Obama won... http://www.hcla.org/pdf/HCLA%2006%20...ct%20Sheet.pdf That is one piece of the pie, again... Why do you keep editing out the link from the Huffington Post I put up yesterday? I deleted my read articles yesterday so I don't have it right here... Here it is: Right he http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...lth-care-pl_n_ 205728.html or http://tinyurl.com/o7dp5e I don't make it up as I go along ya' know.. Thank you. I hope we don't have to hear the republicans don't have a plan/party of no.. etc. anymore... It just is not true. Truth is the repubs are being shut out of the process totally but no news organizations are talking about it, "so it can't be true" snerk -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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