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A fading Obama screw-up
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. |
A fading Obama screw-up
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:35:46 -0700, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. Uh, huh, so tell me, what country or organization has recognized the "legal" government of Honduras? That's right, none. I'd also suggest the story is far from over. Micheletti has blinked, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Zelaya back as President. |
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thunder wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:35:46 -0700, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. Uh, huh, so tell me, what country or organization has recognized the "legal" government of Honduras? That's right, none. I'd also suggest the story is far from over. Micheletti has blinked, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Zelaya back as President. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that holdover neocon thugs from the Bush Admin in our CIA freelanced the coup. |
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On Aug 10, 9:35*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. *The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. *Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. |
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thunder wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:35:46 -0700, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. Uh, huh, so tell me, what country or organization has recognized the "legal" government of Honduras? That's right, none. I'd also suggest the story is far from over. Micheletti has blinked, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Zelaya back as President. The Hondouran government removed its President according to the Honduran Constitution when the Honduran President tried to hold an extra Constitutional referendum. The Honduran legislature was the prosecutor, the Honduran Supreme Court was judge and the Honduran military was the de facto police force. Castro, Chavez and Obama didn't like what happened because they saw it as a puny little Central American country enforcing Constitutional law thereby preventing the chief of state from staying in office beyond his constitutional limited term in office setting a bad precedent, according to them. |
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H the K wrote:
thunder wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:35:46 -0700, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. Uh, huh, so tell me, what country or organization has recognized the "legal" government of Honduras? That's right, none. I'd also suggest the story is far from over. Micheletti has blinked, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Zelaya back as President. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that holdover neocon thugs from the Bush Admin in our CIA freelanced the coup I suspect that in the 2012 election every failed program in the obama administration will be blamed on President George Bush. Blaming others in obama's only defense for his failures. |
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wf3h wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. |
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:41:32 -0400, BAR wrote:
The Hondouran government removed its President according to the Honduran Constitution when the Honduran President tried to hold an extra Constitutional referendum. The Honduran legislature was the prosecutor, the Honduran Supreme Court was judge and the Honduran military was the de facto police force. I won't deny Zelaya overstepped his bounds, but I'll also guarantee his removal was extra-constitutional. Over the years, Honduras has had far too many coups, to encase them in their Constitution. Castro, Chavez and Obama didn't like what happened because they saw it as a puny little Central American country enforcing Constitutional law thereby preventing the chief of state from staying in office beyond his constitutional limited term in office setting a bad precedent, according to them. |
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:51:31 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:
To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. Then, according to their Constitution, you arrest him and bring him to trial. Having the military, not the police, put him on a plane out of the country, is a coup. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. |
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thunder wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:51:31 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. Then, according to their Constitution, you arrest him and bring him to trial. Having the military, not the police, put him on a plane out of the country, is a coup. If the Honduran Supreme Court orders the Honduran military to put him on a plane out of the country how is that a coup d'etat? Does the Honduran Supreme Court have the authority to order the Honduran military to arrest the Honduran President? The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. |
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thunder wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:41:32 -0400, BAR wrote: The Hondouran government removed its President according to the Honduran Constitution when the Honduran President tried to hold an extra Constitutional referendum. The Honduran legislature was the prosecutor, the Honduran Supreme Court was judge and the Honduran military was the de facto police force. I won't deny Zelaya overstepped his bounds, but I'll also guarantee his removal was extra-constitutional. Over the years, Honduras has had far too many coups, to encase them in their Constitution. Castro, Chavez and Obama didn't like what happened because they saw it as a puny little Central American country enforcing Constitutional law thereby preventing the chief of state from staying in office beyond his constitutional limited term in office setting a bad precedent, according to them. Their constitution explicitly states there can be no referendum to change the presidential term limit. Zelaya decided to violate the constitution. Everyone but the democrats change, they just continue chasing the same old failed ideas. |
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:02:30 -0400, BAR wrote:
If the Honduran Supreme Court orders the Honduran military to put him on a plane out of the country how is that a coup d'etat? Under Article 306 of the Honduran Constitution, the Supreme Court has the right to send law enforcement to execute an arrest warrant, but it's unclear to me, as to whether the military constitutes "law enforcement". Under Article 102, no Honduran citizen can be exiled. From my seat, Zelaya should have been arrested and brought to trial. Does the Honduran Supreme Court have the authority to order the Honduran military to arrest the Honduran President? I don't know, but all parties have to follow the Constitution, or else it's called a coup. |
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:11:54 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Their constitution explicitly states there can be no referendum to change the presidential term limit. Zelaya decided to violate the constitution. And their Constitution explicitly states, "No Honduran can be exiled". If, as I think he did, Zelaya violated the Constitution, he should have been arrested and brought to trial. All parties have to obey the Constitution, not just the President. Everyone but the democrats change, they just continue chasing the same old failed ideas. |
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JustWait wrote:
In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... I just listened to an interview with Congressman Mike Pence. He has been working against the nationalization of the health care system. He said he has also saw and increase in the number of people attending his town hall meetings. He has not seen the shouting matches that have occurred in some of these town hall meetings. Could it be he is listening to his constituents, working to correct their concerns, and not telling them they are unpatriotic for come to his meetings to express their opinions? |
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JustWait wrote:
In article 68f863ff-e852-47ef-aaaa- , says... On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. Are we talking about the same President.. This one wants to: remove the secret ballot: Bull**** from Rush. stop free speech on the airwaves Bull**** and not true. personally attacks dissenters over the airwaves wants to take over as many industries as possible Sounds about like every conservative on the "airwaves". ... You forgot the lie about the Obama administration wanting to have a panel to figure out when an old person should be taken off of meds. |
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JustWait wrote:
In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx |
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On Aug 11, 11:16*am, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. *The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. *Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. *The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. *They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...hcare-reform-t... I have read the Honduran constitution and it specifically required the military to act to remove the Pres, not the police. Zelaya was not exiled, he was simply told that if he came back he would be arrested for his illegal actions. He can go back whenever he wants but he will be arrested as REQUIRED by the constitution. The reality is that Obama DOES NOT support constitutional law. Zelaya attempted to mount a coup and got caught. Thunder sis simply wrong and does not even try to find out the real situation. |
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Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 11, 11:16 am, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...hcare-reform-t... I have read the Honduran constitution and it specifically required the military to act to remove the Pres, not the police. Zelaya was not exiled, he was simply told that if he came back he would be arrested for his illegal actions. He can go back whenever he wants but he will be arrested as REQUIRED by the constitution. The reality is that Obama DOES NOT support constitutional law. Zelaya attempted to mount a coup and got caught. Thunder sis simply wrong and does not even try to find out the real situation. What does that have to do with the facts I posted about the fallacy that most people in the U.S. don't want the government to help sort out the screwed up healthcare system? |
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:42:41 -0700, Calif Bill wrote:
There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. So, let's go with the Republican plan. Oh, that's right, they don't have one, and from what I can see, there are only about 3 Republican Senators giving input to the Democrats. The rest are behaving as the Party of NO! |
A fading Obama screw-up
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says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx Yes, we want health care reform. Not a govt. takeover.. Think Tort reform, and freedom of choice across state lines. Those two issues alone would make a huge difference but the Democrats will not go against the trial lawyers.. -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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"thunder" wrote in message t... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:38:36 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: The Congress tried him. Same as a US President. He does not go to a Federal court for illegal stuff committed as the POTUS. Congress impeaches and tries him. Yeah, but it's a different Constitution. I couldn't find anything in it about impeachment. And their Congress tried him *after* the coup, and in CYA. So they call it something else than impeachment. |
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"thunder" wrote in message t... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:42:41 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. So, let's go with the Republican plan. Oh, that's right, they don't have one, and from what I can see, there are only about 3 Republican Senators giving input to the Democrats. The rest are behaving as the Party of NO! Both the parties are FUBAR. Just because neither has a good plan, do we have to pick a plan of the two bad plans? |
A fading Obama screw-up
In article ,
says... "NotNow" wrote in message ... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. Exactly, here is another poll showing the support for the proposed health care reform is at an all time high... http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...rrent_events/h ealthcare/august_ 2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls _to_new_low or http://tinyurl.com/qxz287 Read on, time to try out the new top end and carb setup.. ;) Rowdy Mouse Racing, you run what 'cha brung! -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message ... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. The above poll is exclusive to the government reformation. |
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thunder wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:38:36 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: The Congress tried him. Same as a US President. He does not go to a Federal court for illegal stuff committed as the POTUS. Congress impeaches and tries him. Yeah, but it's a different Constitution. I couldn't find anything in it about impeachment. And their Congress tried him *after* the coup, and in CYA. Now you can't let some facts get in the way of a good conservative lie! |
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JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx Yes, we want health care reform. Not a govt. takeover.. Think Tort reform, and freedom of choice across state lines. Those two issues alone would make a huge difference but the Democrats will not go against the trial lawyers.. Did you LOOK at the poll? Notice the words "a USA Today/Gallup poll finds 56% of Americans in favor and 33% opposed to Congress' passing major healthcare reform legislation this year." If I'm not mistaken, "congress" IS government! |
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"NotNow" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. The above poll is exclusive to the government reformation. But where does it address the plan as currently proposed? People want reform. But the reform needs to be helpful. |
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thunder wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:42:41 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. So, let's go with the Republican plan. Oh, that's right, they don't have one, and from what I can see, there are only about 3 Republican Senators giving input to the Democrats. The rest are behaving as the Party of NO! I there have been several Republican plans put forth. But as the private citizen who dare to say anything against the obamanation, they were shunted out the door, and never got heard in committee. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. The above poll is exclusive to the government reformation. But where does it address the plan as currently proposed? People want reform. But the reform needs to be helpful. Oh, so the majority of Americans are for the proposed plan, then it must be helpful. |
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
thunder wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:42:41 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. So, let's go with the Republican plan. Oh, that's right, they don't have one, and from what I can see, there are only about 3 Republican Senators giving input to the Democrats. The rest are behaving as the Party of NO! I there have been several Republican plans put forth. But as the private citizen who dare to say anything against the obamanation, they were shunted out the door, and never got heard in committee. I remember the Republican "budget plan." You know, the one without numbers...or a plan. |
A fading Obama screw-up
NotNow wrote:
Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 11, 11:16 am, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...hcare-reform-t... I have read the Honduran constitution and it specifically required the military to act to remove the Pres, not the police. Zelaya was not exiled, he was simply told that if he came back he would be arrested for his illegal actions. He can go back whenever he wants but he will be arrested as REQUIRED by the constitution. The reality is that Obama DOES NOT support constitutional law. Zelaya attempted to mount a coup and got caught. Thunder sis simply wrong and does not even try to find out the real situation. What does that have to do with the facts I posted about the fallacy that most people in the U.S. don't want the government to help sort out the screwed up healthcare system? What is the #1 problem with health care, not health insurance, in the USA? |
A fading Obama screw-up
"NotNow" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. The above poll is exclusive to the government reformation. But where does it address the plan as currently proposed? People want reform. But the reform needs to be helpful. Oh, so the majority of Americans are for the proposed plan, then it must be helpful. Take a reading comprehension course. Your statement is exactly 180 degrees from what I stated. They want healthcare costs reigned in, but the majority are not enthused with the Obama / House plan as it is now proposed. |
A fading Obama screw-up
NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx Yes, we want health care reform. Not a govt. takeover.. Think Tort reform, and freedom of choice across state lines. Those two issues alone would make a huge difference but the Democrats will not go against the trial lawyers.. Did you LOOK at the poll? Notice the words "a USA Today/Gallup poll finds 56% of Americans in favor and 33% opposed to Congress' passing major healthcare reform legislation this year." If I'm not mistaken, "congress" IS government! Did they bother to ask what form the "health care reform" should take? I didn't think so. |
A fading Obama screw-up
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says... Calif Bill wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems. But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people. The above poll is exclusive to the government reformation. But where does it address the plan as currently proposed? People want reform. But the reform needs to be helpful. Oh, so the majority of Americans are for the proposed plan, then it must be helpful. I just don't see where you are reading that. Every poll I have seen says the "people" don't want this plan, period... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
A fading Obama screw-up
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says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and Castro lost. zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some of us, constitutional principles still have meaning. To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts supervision. As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to their national health care plan. Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill". What is he smoking... Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx Yes, we want health care reform. Not a govt. takeover.. Think Tort reform, and freedom of choice across state lines. Those two issues alone would make a huge difference but the Democrats will not go against the trial lawyers.. Did you LOOK at the poll? Notice the words "a USA Today/Gallup poll finds 56% of Americans in favor and 33% opposed to Congress' passing major healthcare reform legislation this year." If I'm not mistaken, "congress" IS government! Yes, everyone wants healthcare, but not this plan, period... Every poll that directly addresses "the plan as it is now" is against it, strongly. By a much bigger mandate than the 1-2% "mandate" Obama won... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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