A fading Obama screw-up
 

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:41:32 -0400, BAR wrote:


The Hondouran government removed its President according to the Honduran
Constitution when the Honduran President tried to hold an extra
Constitutional referendum. The Honduran legislature was the prosecutor,
the Honduran Supreme Court was judge and the Honduran military was the
de facto police force.

I won't deny Zelaya overstepped his bounds, but I'll also guarantee his
removal was extra-constitutional. Over the years, Honduras has had far
too many coups, to encase them in their Constitution.




Castro, Chavez and Obama didn't like what happened because they saw it
as a puny little Central American country enforcing Constitutional law
thereby preventing the chief of state from staying in office beyond his
constitutional limited term in office setting a bad precedent, according
to them.

Their constitution explicitly states there can be no referendum to
change the presidential term limit. Zelaya decided to violate the
constitution.

Everyone but the democrats change, they just continue chasing the same
old failed ideas.

A fading Obama screw-up
 

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:02:30 -0400, BAR wrote:


If the Honduran Supreme Court orders the Honduran military to put him on
a plane out of the country how is that a coup d'etat?

Under Article 306 of the Honduran Constitution, the Supreme Court has the
right to send law enforcement to execute an arrest warrant, but it's
unclear to me, as to whether the military constitutes "law enforcement".
Under Article 102, no Honduran citizen can be exiled. From my seat,
Zelaya should have been arrested and brought to trial.

Does the Honduran Supreme Court have the authority to order the Honduran
military to arrest the Honduran President?

I don't know, but all parties have to follow the Constitution, or else
it's called a coup.

A fading Obama screw-up
 

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:11:54 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:


Their constitution explicitly states there can be no referendum to
change the presidential term limit. Zelaya decided to violate the
constitution.

And their Constitution explicitly states, "No Honduran can be exiled".
If, as I think he did, Zelaya violated the Constitution, he should have
been arrested and brought to trial. All parties have to obey the
Constitution, not just the President.

Everyone but the democrats change, they just continue chasing the same
old failed ideas.

A fading Obama screw-up
 

In article 68f863ff-e852-47ef-aaaa-
, says...

On Aug 10, 9:35*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. *The Obama
admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster
had to back down. *Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and
Castro lost.

zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes
in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law
is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some
of us, constitutional principles still have meaning.

Are we talking about the same President.. This one wants to:
remove the secret ballot:
stop free speech on the airwaves
personally attacks dissenters over the airwaves
wants to take over as many industries as possible
....

You must be talking about someone else..

--
Wafa free since 2009

A fading Obama screw-up
 

In article , says...

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama
admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster
had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and
Castro lost.

zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes
in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law
is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some
of us, constitutional principles still have meaning.

To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed
the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras
appointed the new president under the Courts supervision.

As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is
trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to
their national health care plan.

Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one
was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron
stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill".
What is he smoking...

--
Wafa free since 2009

A fading Obama screw-up
 

JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama
admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster
had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and
Castro lost.
zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes
in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law
is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some
of us, constitutional principles still have meaning.
To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed
the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras
appointed the new president under the Courts supervision.

As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is
trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to
their national health care plan.

Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one
was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron
stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill".
What is he smoking...

I just listened to an interview with Congressman Mike Pence. He has
been working against the nationalization of the health care system. He
said he has also saw and increase in the number of people attending his
town hall meetings. He has not seen the shouting matches that have
occurred in some of these town hall meetings.

Could it be he is listening to his constituents, working to correct
their concerns, and not telling them they are unpatriotic for come to
his meetings to express their opinions?

A fading Obama screw-up
 

JustWait wrote:
In article 68f863ff-e852-47ef-aaaa-
, says...
On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama
admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster
had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and
Castro lost.
zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes
in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law
is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some
of us, constitutional principles still have meaning.

Are we talking about the same President.. This one wants to:
remove the secret ballot:

Bull**** from Rush.
stop free speech on the airwaves

Bull**** and not true.
personally attacks dissenters over the airwaves
wants to take over as many industries as possible

Sounds about like every conservative on the "airwaves".
...


You forgot the lie about the Obama administration wanting to have a
panel to figure out when an old person should be taken off of meds.

A fading Obama screw-up
 

JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama
admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster
had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and
Castro lost.
zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes
in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law
is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some
of us, constitutional principles still have meaning.
To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed
the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras
appointed the new president under the Courts supervision.

As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is
trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to
their national health care plan.

Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one
was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron
stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill".
What is he smoking...



Moron.

BTW, is the state of connecticut still picking up your health care
expenses?

A fading Obama screw-up
 

JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama
admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster
had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and
Castro lost.
zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes
in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law
is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some
of us, constitutional principles still have meaning.
To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed
the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras
appointed the new president under the Courts supervision.

As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is
trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to
their national health care plan.

Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one
was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron
stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill".
What is he smoking...


Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx

A fading Obama screw-up
 

On Aug 11, 11:16*am, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. *The Obama
admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster
had to back down. *Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and
Castro lost.
zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes
in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law
is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some
of us, constitutional principles still have meaning.
To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed
the sitting president for illegal activities. *The Congress of Honduras
appointed the new president under the Courts supervision.

As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is
trivialized or ignored. *They still think there is no opposition to
their national health care plan.

Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one
was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron
stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill".
What is he smoking...

Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...hcare-reform-t...

I have read the Honduran constitution and it specifically required the
military to act to remove the Pres, not the police. Zelaya was not
exiled, he was simply told that if he came back he would be arrested
for his illegal actions. He can go back whenever he wants but he will
be arrested as REQUIRED by the constitution.
The reality is that Obama DOES NOT support constitutional law. Zelaya
attempted to mount a coup and got caught. Thunder sis simply wrong
and does not even try to find out the real situation.