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Bummer..... I just thought of something... it may be worth the
nitrogen to protect those TMPS sensors...
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Most of the TMPS systems don't really measure tire pressure.
The system has speed sensors on each wheel and measures the rotation
time of each tire compared to the others. If a tire is low, it's number
of rotations for a given speed, compared to the other tires will
increase. That's what triggers the low pressure warning.

It's a natural add-on capability brought about by anti-lock braking
systems (which require the speed sensors).

So, air or nitrogen means diddily.

Eisboch

What about the sensors that readout PSI and not just the *low* warning.
I have two Buick Lucernes and the newest actually reads out the PSI for
each tire, the older gives a low warning without telling which tire is
actually low. The older system is the one that I understand measured
wheel rotation.

I was unaware of that. Learn something new everyday. It is my
understanding however that most of the tire pressure monitoring systems
are of the type I described.

Eisboch

If i recall correctly the senors that measure PSI cost $300~400 to replace

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Bummer..... I just thought of something... it may be worth the
nitrogen to protect those TMPS sensors...
--


Most of the TMPS systems don't really measure tire pressure.
The system has speed sensors on each wheel and measures the rotation
time of each tire compared to the others. If a tire is low, it's
number of rotations for a given speed, compared to the other tires will
increase. That's what triggers the low pressure warning.

It's a natural add-on capability brought about by anti-lock braking
systems (which require the speed sensors).

So, air or nitrogen means diddily.

Eisboch

What about the sensors that readout PSI and not just the *low* warning.
I have two Buick Lucernes and the newest actually reads out the PSI for
each tire, the older gives a low warning without telling which tire is
actually low. The older system is the one that I understand measured
wheel rotation.

I was unaware of that. Learn something new everyday. It is my
understanding however that most of the tire pressure monitoring systems
are of the type I described.

Eisboch

If i recall correctly the senors that measure PSI cost $300~400 to replace


A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone.

Eisboch

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"Gene" wrote in message
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Bummer..... I just thought of something... it may be worth the
nitrogen to protect those TMPS sensors...
--


Most of the TMPS systems don't really measure tire pressure.
The system has speed sensors on each wheel and measures the rotation
time of each tire compared to the others. If a tire is low, it's
number of rotations for a given speed, compared to the other tires
will increase. That's what triggers the low pressure warning.

It's a natural add-on capability brought about by anti-lock braking
systems (which require the speed sensors).

So, air or nitrogen means diddily.

Eisboch

What about the sensors that readout PSI and not just the *low* warning.
I have two Buick Lucernes and the newest actually reads out the PSI for
each tire, the older gives a low warning without telling which tire is
actually low. The older system is the one that I understand measured
wheel rotation.

I was unaware of that. Learn something new everyday. It is my
understanding however that most of the tire pressure monitoring systems
are of the type I described.

Eisboch

If i recall correctly the senors that measure PSI cost $300~400 to
replace


A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone.

Eisboch

Ever try to read tire pressure at 70 MPH? 8)

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A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone.

Eisboch

Ever try to read tire pressure at 70 MPH? 8)



Good point.

I am not sure I am all for the gadgets and high tech, computer controlled
wizardry in cars.
KISS. I think about the '06 M5 I had (all two of them). They probably
represented the state-of-the-art in electronic, CPU controlled operation
that year, from the engine management systems to the electronically
controlled SMG transmission that operates the clutch electronically.

They were both a disaster. Traded in the first one because it had too many
software "bugs". Transmission would freeze up in neutral. The famous "Red
Cog of Death" would appear on the driver's display and your only option was
to call a flatbed. Traded that in for one that had a later build date that
reportedly had the bugs worked out. Nope. Car was a spectacular
performer, with 500 hp and handling that could safely rocket you along at
over 200 mph if you were so inclined (I wasn't), but the damn thing
wouldn't move half the time due to a software malfunction.

That's when I traded it for the Porsche 911TT. Porsche remains somewhat
"old school" and other than those electronics that are absolutely necessary,
it was a driver's car. I like that.

Ironically though, it was Porsche, back in the late 80's, that developed the
first tire pressure monitoring system, based on speed sensors on all four
wheels.

Eisboch

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A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone.

Eisboch

Ever try to read tire pressure at 70 MPH? 8)



Good point.

I am not sure I am all for the gadgets and high tech, computer controlled
wizardry in cars.
KISS. I think about the '06 M5 I had (all two of them). They probably
represented the state-of-the-art in electronic, CPU controlled operation
that year, from the engine management systems to the electronically
controlled SMG transmission that operates the clutch electronically.

They were both a disaster. Traded in the first one because it had too
many software "bugs". Transmission would freeze up in neutral. The
famous "Red Cog of Death" would appear on the driver's display and your
only option was to call a flatbed. Traded that in for one that had a
later build date that reportedly had the bugs worked out. Nope. Car
was a spectacular performer, with 500 hp and handling that could safely
rocket you along at over 200 mph if you were so inclined (I wasn't), but
the damn thing wouldn't move half the time due to a software malfunction.

That's when I traded it for the Porsche 911TT. Porsche remains somewhat
"old school" and other than those electronics that are absolutely
necessary, it was a driver's car. I like that.

Ironically though, it was Porsche, back in the late 80's, that developed
the first tire pressure monitoring system, based on speed sensors on all
four wheels.

Eisboch


I must have been thinking of some other over-priced replacement car part.
Although not oem you can get the whole kit for under $150.

http://www.automotix.net/bodyparts/2...-tpms409s.html

Car software problems. I have the two Lucernes, '07 and '08. On occasion
either one of them will lock the doors when you exit the vehicle. When it
first happened I talked with the local service manager and they had never
heard of it. Maybe a year later the same guy confessed that they were now
aware of the problem and the service guys roll down a window just in case
the car locks while they are working on it. GM will not do anything about
it.

It's a problem for me as we leave the keys in the car when they are parked
at home. I now carry a spare in my pocket.

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A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone.

Eisboch

Ever try to read tire pressure at 70 MPH? 8)



Good point.

I am not sure I am all for the gadgets and high tech, computer controlled
wizardry in cars.
KISS. I think about the '06 M5 I had (all two of them). They probably
represented the state-of-the-art in electronic, CPU controlled operation
that year, from the engine management systems to the electronically
controlled SMG transmission that operates the clutch electronically.

They were both a disaster. Traded in the first one because it had too
many software "bugs". Transmission would freeze up in neutral. The
famous "Red Cog of Death" would appear on the driver's display and your
only option was to call a flatbed. Traded that in for one that had a
later build date that reportedly had the bugs worked out. Nope. Car
was a spectacular performer, with 500 hp and handling that could safely
rocket you along at over 200 mph if you were so inclined (I wasn't),
but the damn thing wouldn't move half the time due to a software
malfunction.

That's when I traded it for the Porsche 911TT. Porsche remains somewhat
"old school" and other than those electronics that are absolutely
necessary, it was a driver's car. I like that.

Ironically though, it was Porsche, back in the late 80's, that developed
the first tire pressure monitoring system, based on speed sensors on all
four wheels.

Eisboch


I must have been thinking of some other over-priced replacement car part.
Although not oem you can get the whole kit for under $150.

http://www.automotix.net/bodyparts/2...-tpms409s.html

Car software problems. I have the two Lucernes, '07 and '08. On occasion
either one of them will lock the doors when you exit the vehicle. When it
first happened I talked with the local service manager and they had never
heard of it. Maybe a year later the same guy confessed that they were now
aware of the problem and the service guys roll down a window just in case
the car locks while they are working on it. GM will not do anything about
it.

It's a problem for me as we leave the keys in the car when they are parked
at home. I now carry a spare in my pocket.

Leave your keys in the car...while it's unlocked?
They'd love you around here...in no time at all your cars would be in a
container on its way to Russia or some 3rd world country.

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:05:40 -0300, "Don White"
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Leave your keys in the car...while it's unlocked?
They'd love you around here...in no time at all your cars would be in a
container on its way to Russia or some 3rd world country.

Leaving them in the car isn't a bad idea if your car is in a locked
garage. Quick getaway when the wife gets ****ed.
I always keep my house key on the same ring though, and might get
confused dealing with two key rings.
I just know I'd lock myself out of something.

--Vic

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A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone.

Eisboch

Ever try to read tire pressure at 70 MPH? 8)



Good point.

I am not sure I am all for the gadgets and high tech, computer
controlled wizardry in cars.
KISS. I think about the '06 M5 I had (all two of them). They
probably represented the state-of-the-art in electronic, CPU controlled
operation that year, from the engine management systems to the
electronically controlled SMG transmission that operates the clutch
electronically.

They were both a disaster. Traded in the first one because it had too
many software "bugs". Transmission would freeze up in neutral. The
famous "Red Cog of Death" would appear on the driver's display and your
only option was to call a flatbed. Traded that in for one that had a
later build date that reportedly had the bugs worked out. Nope. Car
was a spectacular performer, with 500 hp and handling that could safely
rocket you along at over 200 mph if you were so inclined (I wasn't),
but the damn thing wouldn't move half the time due to a software
malfunction.

That's when I traded it for the Porsche 911TT. Porsche remains
somewhat "old school" and other than those electronics that are
absolutely necessary, it was a driver's car. I like that.

Ironically though, it was Porsche, back in the late 80's, that developed
the first tire pressure monitoring system, based on speed sensors on all
four wheels.

Eisboch


I must have been thinking of some other over-priced replacement car part.
Although not oem you can get the whole kit for under $150.

http://www.automotix.net/bodyparts/2...-tpms409s.html

Car software problems. I have the two Lucernes, '07 and '08. On
occasion either one of them will lock the doors when you exit the
vehicle. When it first happened I talked with the local service manager
and they had never heard of it. Maybe a year later the same guy
confessed that they were now aware of the problem and the service guys
roll down a window just in case the car locks while they are working on
it. GM will not do anything about it.

It's a problem for me as we leave the keys in the car when they are
parked at home. I now carry a spare in my pocket.

Leave your keys in the car...while it's unlocked?
They'd love you around here...in no time at all your cars would be in a
container on its way to Russia or some 3rd world country.


Here ain't there....

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A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone.

Eisboch

Ever try to read tire pressure at 70 MPH? 8)



Good point.

I am not sure I am all for the gadgets and high tech, computer
controlled wizardry in cars.
KISS. I think about the '06 M5 I had (all two of them). They
probably represented the state-of-the-art in electronic, CPU controlled
operation that year, from the engine management systems to the
electronically controlled SMG transmission that operates the clutch
electronically.

They were both a disaster. Traded in the first one because it had too
many software "bugs". Transmission would freeze up in neutral. The
famous "Red Cog of Death" would appear on the driver's display and your
only option was to call a flatbed. Traded that in for one that had a
later build date that reportedly had the bugs worked out. Nope. Car
was a spectacular performer, with 500 hp and handling that could safely
rocket you along at over 200 mph if you were so inclined (I wasn't),
but the damn thing wouldn't move half the time due to a software
malfunction.

That's when I traded it for the Porsche 911TT. Porsche remains
somewhat "old school" and other than those electronics that are
absolutely necessary, it was a driver's car. I like that.

Ironically though, it was Porsche, back in the late 80's, that developed
the first tire pressure monitoring system, based on speed sensors on all
four wheels.

Eisboch


I must have been thinking of some other over-priced replacement car part.
Although not oem you can get the whole kit for under $150.

http://www.automotix.net/bodyparts/2...-tpms409s.html

Car software problems. I have the two Lucernes, '07 and '08. On
occasion either one of them will lock the doors when you exit the
vehicle. When it first happened I talked with the local service manager
and they had never heard of it. Maybe a year later the same guy
confessed that they were now aware of the problem and the service guys
roll down a window just in case the car locks while they are working on
it. GM will not do anything about it.

It's a problem for me as we leave the keys in the car when they are
parked at home. I now carry a spare in my pocket.

Leave your keys in the car...while it's unlocked?
They'd love you around here...in no time at all your cars would be in a
container on its way to Russia or some 3rd world country.


Hehe, he lives in a nicer neighborhood dummy. Crime isn't rampant
everywhere... just the places you can afford to live. Now, go fetch your boy
some suds.

--Mike

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A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone.

Eisboch

Ever try to read tire pressure at 70 MPH? 8)



Good point.

I am not sure I am all for the gadgets and high tech, computer
controlled wizardry in cars.
KISS. I think about the '06 M5 I had (all two of them). They
probably represented the state-of-the-art in electronic, CPU controlled
operation that year, from the engine management systems to the
electronically controlled SMG transmission that operates the clutch
electronically.

They were both a disaster. Traded in the first one because it had too
many software "bugs". Transmission would freeze up in neutral. The
famous "Red Cog of Death" would appear on the driver's display and your
only option was to call a flatbed. Traded that in for one that had a
later build date that reportedly had the bugs worked out. Nope. Car
was a spectacular performer, with 500 hp and handling that could safely
rocket you along at over 200 mph if you were so inclined (I wasn't),
but the damn thing wouldn't move half the time due to a software
malfunction.

That's when I traded it for the Porsche 911TT. Porsche remains
somewhat "old school" and other than those electronics that are
absolutely necessary, it was a driver's car. I like that.

Ironically though, it was Porsche, back in the late 80's, that developed
the first tire pressure monitoring system, based on speed sensors on all
four wheels.

Eisboch


I must have been thinking of some other over-priced replacement car part.
Although not oem you can get the whole kit for under $150.

http://www.automotix.net/bodyparts/2...-tpms409s.html

Car software problems. I have the two Lucernes, '07 and '08. On
occasion either one of them will lock the doors when you exit the
vehicle. When it first happened I talked with the local service manager
and they had never heard of it. Maybe a year later the same guy
confessed that they were now aware of the problem and the service guys
roll down a window just in case the car locks while they are working on
it. GM will not do anything about it.

It's a problem for me as we leave the keys in the car when they are
parked at home. I now carry a spare in my pocket.

Leave your keys in the car...while it's unlocked?
They'd love you around here...in no time at all your cars would be in a
container on its way to Russia or some 3rd world country.


Most of us do not live in a crime ridden cesspool.