On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:42:39 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John...same as yesterday." wrote in message
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On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:23:49 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:50:17 -0400, John...same as yesterday.
wrote:

The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30.
Is it worth it? Thoughts?

Well, consider this - regular old air is 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 1%
other gases and water vapor.

The advantage of nitrogen is that it won't diffuse through the rubber
because the molecule is bigger.

Personally, air is cheaper and mostly nitrogen anyway.

Hadn't looked at it that way. What I'd be doing is paying $30 for a
change of 22%. Hell, I'll probably be paying a lot more for 'change'
when my next income tax bill comes in.
--
John H

"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the
support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw

Costco does it for free. And they just had $70 on 4 michelins.


Yeah, but they've got the best pizza and Metamucil in town, including
Chicago.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free!"
--Anonymous

On Jul 2, 7:23*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:50:17 -0400, John...same as yesterday.

wrote:
The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30.
Is it worth it? Thoughts?

Well, consider this - regular old air is 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 1%
other gases and water vapor.

The advantage of nitrogen is that it won't diffuse through the rubber
because the molecule is bigger.

Personally, air is cheaper and mostly nitrogen anyway.

This reminds me of the stories I've *heard* about the gullible going
into a car dealership in the spring to have the "winter" air removed,
and have "summer " air installed in all tires event he spare...


snake oil.

Now, John, if you really want to have something spectacular, take it
to a farm tire dealer and have them filled with Calcium Chloride.

In their tractor tires, the farmers get better traction due to the
increased weight.

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:50:17 -0400, John...same as yesterday.
wrote:

The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30.
Is it worth it? Thoughts?

Well, consider this - regular old air is 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 1%
other gases and water vapor.

The advantage of nitrogen is that it won't diffuse through the rubber
because the molecule is bigger.


Although true, the relative size difference means diddily squat.
I get a big kick out of the claims. The reason that nitrogen filled
tires stay inflated better is because after spending 30 to 50 bucks
to have it done, people check the inflation more often.

It's nothing but a marketing scam.
Also, tires age, rot and crack from the outside, not the inside. Ridding
the
internal gas of reactive components to sunlight and weather doesn't help
the outside surfaces much.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:50:17 -0400, John...same as yesterday.
wrote:

The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30.
Is it worth it? Thoughts?

Well, consider this - regular old air is 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 1%
other gases and water vapor.

The advantage of nitrogen is that it won't diffuse through the rubber
because the molecule is bigger.


Although true, the relative size difference means diddily squat.
I get a big kick out of the claims. The reason that nitrogen filled
tires stay inflated better is because after spending 30 to 50 bucks
to have it done, people check the inflation more often.

It's nothing but a marketing scam.
Also, tires age, rot and crack from the outside, not the inside. Ridding
the
internal gas of reactive components to sunlight and weather doesn't help
the outside surfaces much.


NASCAR uses Nitrogen for the reason it is dry. No water vapor to change the
pressure drastically with heat. It may lose less in a passenger / truck
tire, but not enough difference to matter. I check my truck tires regularly
and still have to add once in awhile. And Costco used N2.

John...same as yesterday. wrote:
The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30.
Is it worth it? Thoughts?
--
John H

"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw

Your tires already have 78.0% nitrogen 20.9% oxygen and some trace gases
in them. How much are you going to have to pay to protect the inside of
the tire from the oxygen. How do they plan to protect the outside of
your tire from the effects of oxygen?

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:44:13 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

John...same as yesterday. wrote:
The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30.
Is it worth it? Thoughts?
--
John H

"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw

Your tires already have 78.0% nitrogen 20.9% oxygen and some trace gases
in them. How much are you going to have to pay to protect the inside of
the tire from the oxygen. How do they plan to protect the outside of
your tire from the effects of oxygen?

Good points all.

This group is definitely helping me with my senility problem.
--
John H

"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw

John...same as yesterday. wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:44:13 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

John...same as yesterday. wrote:
The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30.
Is it worth it? Thoughts?
--
John H

"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw
Your tires already have 78.0% nitrogen 20.9% oxygen and some trace gases
in them. How much are you going to have to pay to protect the inside of
the tire from the oxygen. How do they plan to protect the outside of
your tire from the effects of oxygen?

Good points all.

This group is definitely helping me with my senility problem.

Adm Arliegh Burke has a nice facility up in McLean for guys like you. If
you get into the alzheimer's ward they will give you the code to open
the doors but, you will forget it 10 seconds later.

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:02:49 -0400, BAR wrote:

John...same as yesterday. wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:44:13 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

John...same as yesterday. wrote:
The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30.
Is it worth it? Thoughts?
--
John H

"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw
Your tires already have 78.0% nitrogen 20.9% oxygen and some trace gases
in them. How much are you going to have to pay to protect the inside of
the tire from the oxygen. How do they plan to protect the outside of
your tire from the effects of oxygen?

Good points all.

This group is definitely helping me with my senility problem.

Adm Arliegh Burke has a nice facility up in McLean for guys like you. If
you get into the alzheimer's ward they will give you the code to open
the doors but, you will forget it 10 seconds later.

Hey! Be nice.

I've not been able to golf for almost four weeks 'cause of the cracked
rib. Wednesday I went out and played 18 here at Greendale. I waited
long enough. Nothing hurt, so I guess I'm good to go.

I bought a 7-wood, used, from Callaway. Nice club. I took the 4=iron
out of the bag.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free!"
--Anonymous

John...same as yesterday. wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:02:49 -0400, BAR wrote:

John...same as yesterday. wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:44:13 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

John...same as yesterday. wrote:
The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30.
Is it worth it? Thoughts?
--
John H

"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw
Your tires already have 78.0% nitrogen 20.9% oxygen and some trace gases
in them. How much are you going to have to pay to protect the inside of
the tire from the oxygen. How do they plan to protect the outside of
your tire from the effects of oxygen?
Good points all.

This group is definitely helping me with my senility problem.
Adm Arliegh Burke has a nice facility up in McLean for guys like you. If
you get into the alzheimer's ward they will give you the code to open
the doors but, you will forget it 10 seconds later.

Hey! Be nice.

I've not been able to golf for almost four weeks 'cause of the cracked
rib. Wednesday I went out and played 18 here at Greendale. I waited
long enough. Nothing hurt, so I guess I'm good to go.

I bought a 7-wood, used, from Callaway. Nice club. I took the 4=iron
out of the bag.

I was up at the US Open a week or two ago. I've got that checked off the
list and I never have to do it again.

Getting ready to do the 10 day drive from Denver to Minneapolis with the
wife and kids. Leaving for the airport in about an hour.

"John...same as yesterday." wrote in message
...
The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30.
Is it worth it? Thoughts?
--
John H


The COSTCO store here filled your tires for free. Thay claim you don't lose
air pressure during climate changes. (fall-winter etc)