"jps" wrote in message
...

His approach to bipartisanship was what attracted me the most. He was
commited to trying to find issues that all Americans could agree
needed attention so that we could work together and find better ways
to discuss our differences.

I guess you know how far that's gotten...


One of the problems with political "outsiders" (includes Obama, IMO) is
that they arrive in Washington DC full of idealism and grand illusions of
changing the status quo.

It usually doesn't take long before the WashDC influence starts kicking in
and idealism goes out the window in favor of survival.

Obama's off to a good start in terms of getting his ideas in the pipeline,
but he has limited time.

Eisboch

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says.
Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you
previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some
people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the
budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I didn't
notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy and just
getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big paycheck yet)
got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck starting this month.
His current income is in the very low middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the several
tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better off.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says.
Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you
previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some
people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the
budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy
and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big
paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck starting
this month. His current income is in the very low middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the several
tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better off.

Eisboch


hee hee...that sounds like up here.
Everytime the Feds lower taxes, the province jumps in with higher user fees
for everything.

jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:54:24 -0400, HK wrote:


I can understand your concerns. They concern me, too. The problem is, to
me a least, that the last president too long ignored the real needs of
this country while pumping billions and trillions into wasteful
expenditures that fueled warmongering.

The GOP seems unable to find a reasonable and responsible direction and
become the loyal opposition with plans and programs of its own to help
solve the horrific problems we have. Saying NO to just about everything,
chasing out elected Republican officials, and name-calling the two
Republican Senators from Maine makes me wonder if the GOP cares about
anything real.

From your lips to the Governor of Utah. Who'd have thought...

In an interview with ABC News, Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman (R) blasted
Republicans in Congress for not engaging with President Obama.

Said Huntsman: "You can't just say no. You can't just obstruct or
obfuscate. Instead of just kind of grousing and complaining, it would
do us all a whole lot of good if we actually started engaging directly
in finding compromises and common ground and shared solutions... When
you are devoid of the ideas, or the content that would allow you to
articulate or paint a better future, you have no choice other than to
fall back on 'no, we are not going support it, it cannot be done."

It seems Huntsman is intent on positioning himself as a possible
moderate Republican candidate for president in 2012.


The GOP structure doesn't want a moderate anything.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:09:35 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .

His approach to bipartisanship was what attracted me the most. He was
commited to trying to find issues that all Americans could agree
needed attention so that we could work together and find better ways
to discuss our differences.

I guess you know how far that's gotten...


One of the problems with political "outsiders" (includes Obama, IMO) is
that they arrive in Washington DC full of idealism and grand illusions of
changing the status quo.

It usually doesn't take long before the WashDC influence starts kicking in
and idealism goes out the window in favor of survival.

Obama's off to a good start in terms of getting his ideas in the pipeline,
but he has limited time.

Eisboch

Agreed.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:20:07 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
. ..


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says.
Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you
previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some
people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the
budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I didn't
notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy and just
getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big paycheck yet)
got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck starting this month.
His current income is in the very low middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the several
tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better off.

Eisboch

Once the changes went into effect, an employee making $75K saw a $40
increase on a bi-weekly basis -- enough to fill the fuel tank every
couple of weeks.

Eisboch wrote:

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says.
Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you
previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut,
some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of
the budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy
and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big
paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck
starting this month. His current income is in the very low middle class
range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better
off.

Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law
passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce
the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation doesn't
pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.

"BAR" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says.
Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you
previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some
people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the
budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy
and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big
paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck
starting this month. His current income is in the very low middle class
range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better
off.

Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law
passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce the
latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation doesn't pass
there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.


Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he
says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told
you previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax
cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking
out of the budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the
Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning
a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his
paycheck starting this month. His current income is in the very low
middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no
better off.

Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law
passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce
the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation
doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.


Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".

I think I'll submit a W4 today and give my self an even bigger tax cut.

Eisboch wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he
says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told
you previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax
cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking
out of the budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the
Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning
a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his
paycheck starting this month. His current income is in the very low
middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no
better off.

Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law
passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce
the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation
doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.


Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".

Eisboch

What slime ball passed that off as a tax cut. What it amounts to is a
smaller refund or taller tax bill at tax time. Are we going to be seeing
this sort of crap for the next 3 years 265 days?