On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:12:18 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


I would put a noose around all the pirates that are captured on the ship and
line them up along the rail. Inform the ones with the captain that if
anything happens to the captain or they leave the area, the ones on the rail
will head to the sea.

I was watching Glenn Beck a while ago and for once he said something
that might have made sense.
"Where are the Marines?"
Keeping a fast reaction force in that area and just plain kicking ass
when an American flagged ship is touched would stop it cold.
Take no prisoners.
I got a feeling it won't be done because of crew safety and
"environmental" considerations.
Sticky problem. The Mayaguez and Iran hostage situations are probably
studied to make these kinds of decisions.
Remember the Q-ships? Merchant ships with hidden guns.
Maybe it was all a John Wayne movie.
Tripoli was assaulted to stop the pirates before.
Might take a land assault to stop it this time.
It's weird to think that 204 years after the Barbary pirates, we're
back to the same problem.
Actually, Somalia is less "civilized" than was Tripoli.
There was a leader of Tripoli to make peace with.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:12:18 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I would put a noose around all the pirates that are captured on the ship and
line them up along the rail. Inform the ones with the captain that if
anything happens to the captain or they leave the area, the ones on the rail
will head to the sea.

I was watching Glenn Beck a while ago and for once he said something
that might have made sense.
"Where are the Marines?"
Keeping a fast reaction force in that area and just plain kicking ass
when an American flagged ship is touched would stop it cold.
Take no prisoners.
I got a feeling it won't be done because of crew safety and
"environmental" considerations.
Sticky problem. The Mayaguez and Iran hostage situations are probably
studied to make these kinds of decisions.
Remember the Q-ships? Merchant ships with hidden guns.
Maybe it was all a John Wayne movie.
Tripoli was assaulted to stop the pirates before.
Might take a land assault to stop it this time.
It's weird to think that 204 years after the Barbary pirates, we're
back to the same problem.
Actually, Somalia is less "civilized" than was Tripoli.
There was a leader of Tripoli to make peace with.

--Vic


The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity
much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews.

--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
All Stupidity All the Time

"HK" wrote in message
m...


The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity
much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews.



The reason this nonsense continues is because ransoms are paid.

I know what Ronald Reagan would do.
I know what George H.W. Bush would do.
I know what George W. Bush would do.
Hell, I can even guess what Bill Clinton would do.

But, I can't begin to predict what Obama would or will do.
After all, it's only money.

Thomas Jefferson had the right idea.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a
commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews.



The reason this nonsense continues is because ransoms are paid.

I know what Ronald Reagan would do.
I know what George H.W. Bush would do.
I know what George W. Bush would do.
Hell, I can even guess what Bill Clinton would do.

But, I can't begin to predict what Obama would or will do.
After all, it's only money.

Thomas Jefferson had the right idea.

Eisboch


I think it really stupid to assault a ship commanded by pirates when the
crews' lives are at stake. On the other hand, if there are pirates
approaching or leaving the ship, and they are not carrying hostages,
well, they are fair game. We obviously need to task some satellites to
watch the Somali coast and any small boats heading way offshore. We can
do that in real time, and dispatch naval aircraft to ward off any small
boats that get too close. We can do this at night, too.

What would George W. Bush do? Get a few thousand Americans killed.



--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
All Stupidity All the Time

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity
much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews.



The reason this nonsense continues is because ransoms are paid.

I know what Ronald Reagan would do.
I know what George H.W. Bush would do.
I know what George W. Bush would do.
Hell, I can even guess what Bill Clinton would do.

But, I can't begin to predict what Obama would or will do.
After all, it's only money.

Thomas Jefferson had the right idea.

Eisboch


I think it really stupid to assault a ship commanded by pirates when the
crews' lives are at stake. On the other hand, if there are pirates
approaching or leaving the ship, and they are not carrying hostages, well,
they are fair game. We obviously need to task some satellites to watch the
Somali coast and any small boats heading way offshore. We can do that in
real time, and dispatch naval aircraft to ward off any small boats that
get too close. We can do this at night, too.

What would George W. Bush do? Get a few thousand Americans killed.




I didn't say that. We don't need to put the crew of a captured ship at
further risk.
But, we can take action against the warlords that organize these attacks.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a
commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews.



The reason this nonsense continues is because ransoms are paid.

I know what Ronald Reagan would do.
I know what George H.W. Bush would do.
I know what George W. Bush would do.
Hell, I can even guess what Bill Clinton would do.

But, I can't begin to predict what Obama would or will do.
After all, it's only money.

Thomas Jefferson had the right idea.

Eisboch


I think it really stupid to assault a ship commanded by pirates when
the crews' lives are at stake. On the other hand, if there are pirates
approaching or leaving the ship, and they are not carrying hostages,
well, they are fair game. We obviously need to task some satellites to
watch the Somali coast and any small boats heading way offshore. We
can do that in real time, and dispatch naval aircraft to ward off any
small boats that get too close. We can do this at night, too.

What would George W. Bush do? Get a few thousand Americans killed.




I didn't say that. We don't need to put the crew of a captured ship at
further risk.
But, we can take action against the warlords that organize these attacks.

Eisboch

I'm confident our leader will handle this situation properly. The
captain did a brave thing. We need to pray for him.

"Jim22208" wrote

I'm confident our leader will handle this situation properly. The captain
did a brave thing. We need to pray for him.

I am very interested in what "Fearless Leader" is going to do.

Why does "Rocky and Bullwinkle" come to mind?

On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:00:01 -0400, HK wrote:



The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity
much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews.

Yep. That's what has to be kept in mind.
Very easy to get hotheaded about it.
I wanted Carter to give me a rifle and a parachute and drop me into
Tehran back then. With others of course.
Would have been a bloody mess.
The chopper mission might have proved a disaster if they had made
it to the embassy.
So far the pirates haven't killed anybody.
They don't want to mess up a good thing.
But there's some question about where the many millions of money
extorted are going. Terrorists or Wall Street probably.
But I repeat myself.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:00:01 -0400, HK wrote:


The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity
much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews.

Yep. That's what has to be kept in mind.
Very easy to get hotheaded about it.
I wanted Carter to give me a rifle and a parachute and drop me into
Tehran back then. With others of course.
Would have been a bloody mess.
The chopper mission might have proved a disaster if they had made
it to the embassy.
So far the pirates haven't killed anybody.
They don't want to mess up a good thing.
But there's some question about where the many millions of money
extorted are going. Terrorists or Wall Street probably.
But I repeat myself.

--Vic


There's not much difference between the terrorists and Wall Street.
They're all pirates.

--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
All Stupidity All the Time

"HK" wrote

The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity
much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews.

True. And to continue to send unarmed men into these situations in these
areas is plain stupidity. We have US naval vessels all over the globe doing
such things as jellyfish research, listening, and retesting something they
tested 2,000 times before. It would be nothing to station vessels on patrol
in that area of the world, and to handle these situations as they come up.
If a SEAL can't handle a skinny terrorist with an antiquated RPG, he should
turn in his flippers.

They're going to keep doing this as long as we keep allowing it. Hussein
isn't going to do anything about it, so it is up to the company owners. A
few more paid ABSs wouldn't add that much cost. They'd be private employees
operating no soverign property.