Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:12:18 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I would put a noose around all the pirates that are captured on the ship and
line them up along the rail. Inform the ones with the captain that if
anything happens to the captain or they leave the area, the ones on the rail
will head to the sea.

I was watching Glenn Beck a while ago and for once he said something
that might have made sense.
"Where are the Marines?"
Keeping a fast reaction force in that area and just plain kicking ass
when an American flagged ship is touched would stop it cold.

The Marines are not trained to handle this type of operation. The Navy
SEALs are better trained and equipped to respond to these situations.
Marine small units are platoons, 40 men, SEAL small units are 8 to 10
men. The logistics of the SEAL team make them much easier to deploy and
manage in the field.

Take no prisoners.

I agree, turn the pirates into shark food.

I got a feeling it won't be done because of crew safety and
"environmental" considerations.

The sharks would spit out the pirates?

Sticky problem. The Mayaguez and Iran hostage situations are probably
studied to make these kinds of decision

Remember the Q-ships? Merchant ships with hidden guns.
Maybe it was all a John Wayne movie.
Tripoli was assaulted to stop the pirates before.

That took resolve and a back bone to make a decision.

Might take a land assault to stop it this time.

Tripoli was a land assault.

It's weird to think that 204 years after the Barbary pirates, we're
back to the same problem.

Piracy and terrorism will never go away.

Actually, Somalia is less "civilized" than was Tripoli.

Somalia is giant leap back to the 7th century.

There was a leader of Tripoli to make peace with.

There was leader to threaten with death.

Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to
defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad
50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer
shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to
strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates.
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy

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Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons
to defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with
quad 50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer
shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient
to strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates.
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy



I have searched around and haven't found a specific reference yet, but I
think there may be an international maritime law regarding the arming of
merchant vessels. Sidearms are ok, I think, but not a major weapons
system. I've found general references, but not anything that clearly
addresses the subject.

Eisboch

On Apr 9, 12:23*am, wrote:
Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to
defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad
50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer
shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to
strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates."Eisboch" wrote in message

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Agreed.

At least a couple Ma-deuces, and even mini-guns would help

On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 9, 12:23*am, wrote:
Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to
defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad
50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer
shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to
strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates."Eisboch" wrote in message

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Agreed.

At least a couple Ma-deuces, and even mini-guns would help

Arm that 13 man crew. The ones who have a half mile of railings to
watch for ladders and grappling irons.[Emma Maersk]

It is true that there are many smaller ships, with bigger crews.

It cost about 2 to 3 million bucks for a stabilized 20mm mount.

That leaves spray and pray, and the Gatling doesn't need to be bigger
than 5,56mm. No armor on those outboard motors. Shoot if you see guns
and ladders.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 9, 12:23 am, wrote:
Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to
defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad
50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer
shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to
strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates."Eisboch" wrote in message

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Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief.
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Agreed.

At least a couple Ma-deuces, and even mini-guns would help

Arm that 13 man crew. The ones who have a half mile of railings to
watch for ladders and grappling irons.[Emma Maersk]

It is true that there are many smaller ships, with bigger crews.

It cost about 2 to 3 million bucks for a stabilized 20mm mount.

That leaves spray and pray, and the Gatling doesn't need to be bigger
than 5,56mm. No armor on those outboard motors. Shoot if you see guns
and ladders.

Casady



Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty
military forces of other interested countries something useful to do for
a change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area, helped by
satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes, would do it.
We can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and we can in real
time keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky boats and ships
the pirates operate.




--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
All Stupidity All the Time

On Apr 10, 9:42*am, HK wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 9, 12:23 am, wrote:
Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to
defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad
50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer
shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to
strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates."Eisboch" wrote in message

news:Cb6dnZsqAv2bQEHUnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@giganews. com...

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Agreed.

At least a couple Ma-deuces, and even mini-guns would help

Arm that 13 man crew. The ones who have a half mile of railings to
watch for ladders and grappling irons.[Emma Maersk]

It is true that there are many smaller ships, with bigger crews.

It cost about 2 to 3 million bucks for a stabilized 20mm mount.

That leaves spray and pray, and the Gatling doesn't need to be bigger
than 5,56mm. No armor on those outboard motors. Shoot if you see guns
and ladders.

Casady

Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty
military forces of other interested countries something useful to do for
a change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area, helped by
satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes, would do it.
We can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and we can in real
time keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky boats and ships
the pirates operate.

--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
Bring Integerity back to Washington.


Pffftt. Hopefully, nobody here is litening to you as your assumption
is way off. According to Navy officials it would take 60 ships to
handle that area. Do you know how many ships we currently have in our
Navy? C'mon Harry, get some facts then come back and talk snerk
Here's a hint, think 300...

"HK" wrote in message
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Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty
military forces of other interested countries something useful to do for a
change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area, helped by
satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes, would do it. We
can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and we can in real time
keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky boats and ships the
pirates operate.


Not enough ships for too big of an ocean. Fast as they may be, they
couldn't respond to a boarding 200 miles away in time to prevent it, even at
30-35 kts. Maybe they all need to be retrofitted with a bank of Etecs on
their transoms to get there faster.

Eisboch

Eisboch

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 9, 12:23 am, wrote:
Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons
to
defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with
quad
50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer
shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient
to
strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates."Eisboch"
wrote in message

...





Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief.

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- Show quoted text -

Agreed.

At least a couple Ma-deuces, and even mini-guns would help

Arm that 13 man crew. The ones who have a half mile of railings to
watch for ladders and grappling irons.[Emma Maersk]

It is true that there are many smaller ships, with bigger crews.

It cost about 2 to 3 million bucks for a stabilized 20mm mount.

That leaves spray and pray, and the Gatling doesn't need to be bigger
than 5,56mm. No armor on those outboard motors. Shoot if you see guns
and ladders.

Casady



I read last night that there a two major reasons why merchant ships are not
legally armed with much more than side arms.

The first is that they often carry cargo like oil or other flammables, the
vapors of which can be explosive.

The second is that many ports will not allow an armed civilian ship to
enter.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 9, 12:23 am, wrote:
Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic
weapons to
defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships
with quad
50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer
shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is
sufficient to
strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates."Eisboch"
wrote in message

...





Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Agreed.

At least a couple Ma-deuces, and even mini-guns would help

Arm that 13 man crew. The ones who have a half mile of railings to
watch for ladders and grappling irons.[Emma Maersk]

It is true that there are many smaller ships, with bigger crews.

It cost about 2 to 3 million bucks for a stabilized 20mm mount.

That leaves spray and pray, and the Gatling doesn't need to be bigger
than 5,56mm. No armor on those outboard motors. Shoot if you see guns
and ladders.

Casady



I read last night that there a two major reasons why merchant ships are
not legally armed with much more than side arms.

The first is that they often carry cargo like oil or other flammables,
the vapors of which can be explosive.

The second is that many ports will not allow an armed civilian ship to
enter.

Eisboch



Both of which make sense, and I've read in several places that armed
civilian ships are indeed not allowed in many ports.

It's the job of governments to keep the sea lanes safe. There are plenty
of small offshore patrol boats available in the free world. Our U.S.
Navy could be buying some of these from friendly nations if we don't
have enough, or we could build a few dozen for a fraction of the cost of
another useless and vulnerable aircraft carrier.




--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
All Stupidity All the Time