On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:02:26 -0400, HK wrote:

I went into a couple of coal mines when I worked for The AP. It was
damned scary being down under all that rock. I did not get the same
feelings of fear in the natural caves tourists like me visit near the
Shenandoah River.

A cave is stable, short term, and the rock usually won't move, short
of an earthquake. In a mine, the support has been removed, and
sometimes replaced with not enough costly timber shoring. Or in the
case of coal, they would leave too small and too widely spaced pillars
of coal that they would rather sell. Then they tease it with constant
blasting or digging. It can take a while for things to reach
equilibrium after a blast, and sometimes you can hear the timbers
groaning. The trifecta of dangerous trades: Farming, fishing, and
mining.

Casady

On Mar 18, 11:19*am, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:21:26 GMT, (Richard

Casady) wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:34:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

I'll try fishing although I am a poor fisherman. *Mostly, I like to
explore cool places. *Suggestions?

If you want to explore cool places, take up caving. Caves are at the
annual average temperature, 55 F or so. Do not swim into flooded
caves. If you do, you will die in one sooner or later.

Froggy knows a lot more about caves than you do.

Hey! I guess you're done watching American Idol re-runs for awhile, eh?

On Mar 20, 2:04 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:59:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 18, 11:19 am, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:21:26 GMT, (Richard

Casady) wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:34:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

I'll try fishing although I am a poor fisherman. Mostly, I like to
explore cool places. Suggestions?

If you want to explore cool places, take up caving. Caves are at the
annual average temperature, 55 F or so. Do not swim into flooded
caves. If you do, you will die in one sooner or later.

Froggy knows a lot more about caves than you do.

Hey! I guess you're done watching American Idol re-runs for awhile, eh?

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I consider cave diving an elaborate form of suicide although I can
sure understand the desire to do it. Had a good friend who died cave
diving, he was 280' down breathing what was an experimental mix at
that time (1985) but is currently known as trinox. His suit inflated
carrying him very quickly to the top of a dome over 150' high. When
they got him back down, he was acting strangely and would not swim
through the serious constriction. They waited as long as they could
and then went for more air. When they got back, he was dead of
course. Autopsy later revealed brain embolism due to the rapid
ascent.
We actually do have dry caves in FL. There are large dry caves nearby
in South Georgia too.
Many people think thye are claustrophobic but I have never seen it in
a cave even in novices. Being a caver, I have no problem crawling
into my sailboat engine compartment and actually crawling under the
engine.
One thing caving has in common with sailing is the type of rope used.
Sailors want no stretch halyards and cavers want no stretch ropes.
When you are on the end of a 600' rope, stretchy bouncy rope will make
you sick. When I was really into vertical caving, climbing my halyard
was no biggie but I am now afraid of heights.
A few times I have been able to combine caving and boating by canoeing
into a cave entrance. A few caves here in Fl can only be reached from
canoe or kayak. My dream is to sail to that river in Guatemala that
has huge limestone cliffs where sailors use as a hurricane hole and
explore the caves in said cliffs.

On Mar 20, 2:04*pm, wrote:
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On Mar 18, 11:19*am, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:21:26 GMT, (Richard

Casady) wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:34:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

I'll try fishing although I am a poor fisherman. *Mostly, I like to
explore cool places. *Suggestions?

If you want to explore cool places, take up caving. Caves are at the
annual average temperature, 55 F or so. Do not swim into flooded
caves. If you do, you will die in one sooner or later.

Froggy knows a lot more about caves than you do.

Hey! I guess you're done watching American Idol re-runs for awhile, eh?

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In article ,
says...
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:33:23 -0700, Bigolhomo wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:54:20 -0400, wrote:
This wasn't a hard news story, and clearly they fabricated the whole
thing. I'm quite sure that the Kennedy's didn't invite the press in
for this event. The Enquirer may have reported what happened
completely accurately, but it was still without benefit of any
witnesses. They were guessing, and reporting their guess as facts.
You obviously have no idea how the tabloids work. Of course there was
no Enquirer reporter in the house at the time. But there might have
been a housekeeper, a gardener, a doctor, a driver, a personal
trainer, a pizza delivery boy, a cable guy, etc. who did happen to be
there and witness it and was either approached by, or called the
Enquirer to sell the information.
You obviously have no idea about how THAT tabloid operates. They don't
need to pay anybody for that kind of story. They just create it out of
nothing. It was a fairy tale. As a fairy yourself, you should have
been able to spot that.
I doubt seriously that BOH will object to your calling him a fairy but I
will as I think its a derogatory term that has no place among us as
friends, acquaintances and even when we're enemies.


Oh, brother! Lighten up, Bob. Really.


BOH is my friend, same as greg and most all of the gay folks in the ng
I'd be happy to have them as my next door neighbor and would enjoy going
out to dinner etc. with them (including Nathan, who cannot stand me).


Proving what, exactly? I have marched in gay pride demonstrations. So
what?


Salty, I do have an idea how The Enquirer operates.


Yes, I figured that out.


It's not how it
operated 20 years ago. Most of the time, they get to the smoke and
fire, but in ways that a traditional newspaper would not do, such as
with the checkbook or just seeking out disgruntled employees who will
tell what they know to get even, so to speak.


Like all good businesses, they never spend money if they don't have
to. If they can fill the paper without doing so, you can be sure that
they will every time.

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On Mar 20, 2:04*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:59:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 18, 11:19*am, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:21:26 GMT, (Richard

Casady) wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:34:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

I'll try fishing although I am a poor fisherman. *Mostly, I like to
explore cool places. *Suggestions?

If you want to explore cool places, take up caving. Caves are at the
annual average temperature, 55 F or so. Do not swim into flooded
caves. If you do, you will die in one sooner or later.

Froggy knows a lot more about caves than you do.

Hey! I guess you're done watching American Idol re-runs for awhile, eh?

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Pretty pathetic following me around, but I guess I'm pretty important
to you!

Thanks for the adoration.

On Mar 21, 3:06*pm, wrote:
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On Mar 20, 2:04*pm, wrote:
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On Mar 18, 11:19*am, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:21:26 GMT, (Richard

Casady) wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:34:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

I'll try fishing although I am a poor fisherman. *Mostly, I like to
explore cool places. *Suggestions?

If you want to explore cool places, take up caving. Caves are at the
annual average temperature, 55 F or so. Do not swim into flooded
caves. If you do, you will die in one sooner or later.

Froggy knows a lot more about caves than you do.

Hey! I guess you're done watching American Idol re-runs for awhile, eh?

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Pretty pathetic following me around, but I guess I'm pretty important
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pssst.....Hey, dummy, don't flatter yourself. I didn't follow you
anywhere. Someone else posted that right here in rec.boats. Too stupid
to figure that out?