On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:09:13 -0800, jps wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:42:41 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:24:20 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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If I were you I'd be wishing him the best and godspeed since you and
everyone of your family members will be affected by such.

I was not a supporter of Obama, but I certainly agree with with your
comment.
He needs all the help he can get. The problems we face are too great for
one person
and his staff to deal with. I just hope he remains as open to different
ideas as he
currently claims to be.


I think Tom has expressed the same sentiment of support in the past.

Hey - he will be the President. Unlike some others, I do wish him
success. The President is the President -we, as a nation, sink or
swim with the decisions he will make.

Unlike those on the left who had a hissy fit when W was elected.

I wonder if any Os will be removed from keyboards when Obama takes
office?

Somehow I doubt it - conservatives have too much respect for the
office.

OMG! How about the constitution? How do Republicans feel about that?

Eavesdropping on citizens while circumventing FISA
Torturing while insisting we don't
Gutting clean air and water protections
Selling off sensitive lands in the public trust to mining and oil
Politicizing the office of the Attorneys General
No bid contracts that the office of the VP controlled
Lies perpetuated to get us into a false war with 4000+ dead

You want to talk about missing keys on a keyboard?

Holy ****.

Here - read up.

http://www.constitution.org/powright.htm

Don't see nuttin' in there that relates to your opinion.

Sorry - you lose.

However I'm magnanimous in victory - I will only require a public
apology from you for using offensive language. :)

--

"I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally."

W.C. Fields

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On Jan 12, 5:09 pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:42:41 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports





wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:24:20 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
If I were you I'd be wishing him the best and godspeed since you and
everyone of your family members will be affected by such.
I was not a supporter of Obama, but I certainly agree with with your
comment.
He needs all the help he can get. The problems we face are too great for
one person
and his staff to deal with. I just hope he remains as open to different
ideas as he
currently claims to be.
I think Tom has expressed the same sentiment of support in the past.
Hey - he will be the President. Unlike some others, I do wish him
success. The President is the President -we, as a nation, sink or
swim with the decisions he will make.
Unlike those on the left who had a hissy fit when W was elected.
I wonder if any Os will be removed from keyboards when Obama takes
office?
Somehow I doubt it - conservatives have too much respect for the
office.
OMG! How about the constitution? How do Republicans feel about that?

Eavesdropping on citizens while circumventing FISA
Torturing while insisting we don't
Gutting clean air and water protections
Selling off sensitive lands in the public trust to mining and oil
Politicizing the office of the Attorneys General
No bid contracts that the office of the VP controlled
Lies perpetuated to get us into a false war with 4000+ dead

You want to talk about missing keys on a keyboard?

Holy ****.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You are a dumb ****. How about Clinton selling China all of our nuke
and rocket tech for 3 million in campaign money.

You have no proof of that, moron.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:27:46 -0800, jps wrote:


Much bull**** snipped.

Oh, and lets not forget leaving New Orleans to fend for itself...


Bull****.

"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:27:46 -0800, jps wrote:


Much bull**** snipped.

Oh, and lets not forget leaving New Orleans to fend for itself...


Bull****.


Olbermann is on now drooling in delight as he picks apart Bush's comments
during his last press conference. Commenting on Bush's remarks that 30,000
people were plucked from the rooftops of houses immediately following the
storm, Olbermann sneered and made a statement to the effect, that those were
coast guard rescue choppers working in the local region and had nothing to
do with your, Mr. President. They then went to file footage showing green,
Army helicopters with Army people rescuing people from the rooftops.

Oh, Mr. Olbermann .... Coast Guard choppers are white with red markings.
Those were the local guys.
The green choppers were Army ... sent at Bush's insistence even though the
dumb local government dragged their feet in asking for federal aid.

I can't stand this guy.

Eisboch

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:29:09 -0800, jps wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:06:16 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

However I'm magnanimous in victory - I will only require a public
apology from you for using offensive language. :)

I'm sorry your family has to put up with your politics...

Actually the whole bunch of them find me to be a fascinating person
with some rather strange views on the universe and humanities place in
it. They also know that while I have views vastly different from
theirs on many issues of the day, I cherish them beyond words and that
our differences are just that - differences. I belong to them and
they belong to me - family trumps everything.

Besides family dinners would be pretty freakin' boring if everybody
agreed on everything. :)

--

"Never fight an inanimate object."

P.J. O'Rourke

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:00:23 -0700, "RG" wrote:

Logic? Politics isn't logic. Don't know why you lump *me* with
Harry. Not logical.
I'm not the one that engages him in "logical" conversations, as you
tend to do.
On that score I recommend you heed Einstein's definition of
"insanity." (-:
Anyway, since I'm a retired computer systems analyst, I know a bit
about logic.

And yet the concept of word-wrap and the proper use of the Enter key on your
keyboard completely eludes you.

Since you're the only one who has reported suffering the problem, and
since for years word wrap and a line length of 70 chars has been set
on my news agent (Agent) and since I do know how to us the enter key,
my logic tells me the problem is on your end.
But if anybody else is seeing what you're seeing, let me know.
I'll try to fix it. Even if I have to hex it.

--Vic

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:20:22 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
.. .


I know. But on Jan 21 we can blame it all on Obama according to your
logic.
Seriously, we are in bad shape. Not sure there is a way to recover.
I need to think about this some more.

Do that and get back to me.
I'm going to make a cup of coffee.
Should be enough time for you to work it out.

--Vic


I used the word "logic" to refer to your previous acknowledgement that you
hold the sitting POTUS responsible for whatever the current state of affairs
is. So does Harry. That's why you were lumped together. Perhaps I should
have used the word "illogical". :-)

Yabut. You may have noticed Obama is being blamed already.
And he's not even prez yet!
Anyway, we'll see how logic stands up to politics and the blame game
soon enough.

Ok. Back from thinking. Here's the dilemma and my idea.

According to the economic think tank panel on the CNN presentation, the
prime reason for the economic mess we are in is our credit card mentality.
It goes way beyond credit cards however. We want, so we buy with money we
don't have. Sub-prime mortgages follows the same mentality and brought the
life style problem to a head.

The (almost) unanimous recommendation of the panel was for the country to
return to a post depression mentality and concentrate on savings. People
who lived through the depression learned a lesson and were much more fugal
in their spending habits, putting money away for a rainy day. Somewhere
along the line we shifted away from this mentality, and got into a buy now,
pay later style of living. Saving for the future changed it's meaning to
401k investment planning, relying on others for a secure future.

But now, here's the current problem in trying to recover from this mess:

The government's solution is to encourage us to spend more now. The
"stimulus" programs are intended to encourage spending. This is 180 degrees
out of phase of what most conservative economic experts recommend and
continues the "I want it now" mentality. It probably won't work because
smart people *are* concerned and will most will put any extra money received
through give a ways or tax reductions into savings.

Here's my proposal.

Forget about big business bailouts and stimulus checks/tax relief programs
to private individuals.
Establish a federal version of the state small business administration
(SBA) programs and use a fraction of the bailout monies being spent on
bailouts to provide start-up funding or growth funding for small businesses
nation-wide. This is where 80 percent of the population works. Some of
those who have lost jobs will apply for start-up funding to create new ones.
Obviously not all new businesses will make it, but those that do will hire
more people, many from the unemployed ranks. Small businesses are better
suited to focus on new technologies, green programs, or service sector areas
anyway because they don't have the diverse baggage to carry like big
business.

A recovery won't be fast, but it will be based on a solid footing and will
open the door to re-establish manufacturing in the US.

It's good to see somebody giving it serious thought, and you mentioned
manufacturing, which *nobody* in the elite is doing in a broad sense.
They just ignore balance of trade.
With all the talk of a "green economy" and Detroit picking up some of
the manufacturing for it, it's still not making sense.
What's to keep the Chinese from jumping headlong into making
windmills, solar panels, etc., at half the cost?
You're going to have all the globalists, and that includes Obama,
kowtowing to the WTO.
You just can't survive is a "strong" fashion without manufacturing
most of your own goods, and we aren't even close anymore.
Tom has mentioned, and I've mentioned that it's a new world with
globalism. Drastic upheavals are in store. If the upheavals take a
nationalist path, we won't have cheap foreign toys anymore, but we
will be a stronger nation. If we continue on the globalist path, we
will wither away. That's how I see it.
Most the current national pols are globalists.
Let's see what Obama does about H1B visas for instance, and the other
alphabet soup of visas that cost America jobs.
I've seen the H1B's virtually destroy a sector of U.S. IT.
Then you have the "hunger" factor with American management.
They got fat and happy, and forgot what hard work is, preferring to
offshore their responsibilities. I've seen this up close, and it's
another manifestation of globalism. And I'm not talking about the
money grubbers after bonus money for cutting costs, but the sharp guys
in technical management who built the businesses but just don't want
to do the hard work anymore.
Globalism found this a fertile area just as these guys reached the
lay-back-and-relax stage. The rest of the world is hungrier than us.

--Vic

wrote:
On Jan 12, 7:27 pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:55:43 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Jan 12, 5:09 pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:42:41 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:24:20 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
If I were you I'd be wishing him the best and godspeed since you and
everyone of your family members will be affected by such.
I was not a supporter of Obama, but I certainly agree with with your
comment.
He needs all the help he can get. The problems we face are too great for
one person
and his staff to deal with. I just hope he remains as open to different
ideas as he
currently claims to be.
I think Tom has expressed the same sentiment of support in the past.
Hey - he will be the President. Unlike some others, I do wish him
success. The President is the President -we, as a nation, sink or
swim with the decisions he will make.
Unlike those on the left who had a hissy fit when W was elected.
I wonder if any Os will be removed from keyboards when Obama takes
office?
Somehow I doubt it - conservatives have too much respect for the
office.
OMG! How about the constitution? How do Republicans feel about that?
Eavesdropping on citizens while circumventing FISA
Torturing while insisting we don't
Gutting clean air and water protections
Selling off sensitive lands in the public trust to mining and oil
Politicizing the office of the Attorneys General
No bid contracts that the office of the VP controlled
Lies perpetuated to get us into a false war with 4000+ dead
You want to talk about missing keys on a keyboard?
Holy ****.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are a dumb ****. How about Clinton selling China all of our nuke
and rocket tech for 3 million in campaign money.. and as to the "no
bid contracts", that is disingenuious... Clinton used the very same
company in the Balkans, with "no bids", but that really has more to do
with there only being one company in the whole world that can do that
type or work... You far left loons lock onto anything the DNC puts
out, despite the facts... Try bringing real facts to the table, not
just the latest from Jon Stewart and Saturday Night live.. Dolt..
Idiot,

Try finding a single Clinton equivalent to the list below:

Eavesdropping on citizens while circumventing FISA
Torturing while insisting we don't
Gutting clean air and water protections
Selling off sensitive lands in the public trust to mining and oil
Politicizing the office of the Attorneys General
No bid contracts that the office of the VP controlled
Lies perpetuated to get us into a false war with 4000+ dead
Oh, and lets not forget leaving New Orleans to fend for itself...

Based on your writings, you have no platform to call anyone a dolt.

I expect you'd need electro-shock therapy to have any chance of a
normal thought process where synapses actually fire in a predicatable
order. A lobotomy is probably the better choice since it'd put you
out of your misery.

Are you the schmuck sitting in the hospital? Maybe you can get a
psychological workup while there...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maybe you can suck my dick, bitch... Your list is as credible and
unproven as Harrys drool...


I was wondering when you were going to go public with the sort of
language you exchange with your rectum of righties.

hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 12, 7:27 pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:55:43 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Jan 12, 5:09 pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:42:41 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:24:20 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
If I were you I'd be wishing him the best and godspeed since
you and
everyone of your family members will be affected by such.
I was not a supporter of Obama, but I certainly agree with with your
comment.
He needs all the help he can get. The problems we face are too
great for
one person
and his staff to deal with. I just hope he remains as open to
different
ideas as he
currently claims to be.
I think Tom has expressed the same sentiment of support in the past.
Hey - he will be the President. Unlike some others, I do wish him
success. The President is the President -we, as a nation, sink or
swim with the decisions he will make.
Unlike those on the left who had a hissy fit when W was elected.
I wonder if any Os will be removed from keyboards when Obama takes
office?
Somehow I doubt it - conservatives have too much respect for the
office.
OMG! How about the constitution? How do Republicans feel about that?
Eavesdropping on citizens while circumventing FISA
Torturing while insisting we don't
Gutting clean air and water protections
Selling off sensitive lands in the public trust to mining and oil
Politicizing the office of the Attorneys General
No bid contracts that the office of the VP controlled
Lies perpetuated to get us into a false war with 4000+ dead
You want to talk about missing keys on a keyboard?
Holy ****.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are a dumb ****. How about Clinton selling China all of our nuke
and rocket tech for 3 million in campaign money.. and as to the "no
bid contracts", that is disingenuious... Clinton used the very same
company in the Balkans, with "no bids", but that really has more to do
with there only being one company in the whole world that can do that
type or work... You far left loons lock onto anything the DNC puts
out, despite the facts... Try bringing real facts to the table, not
just the latest from Jon Stewart and Saturday Night live.. Dolt..
Idiot,

Try finding a single Clinton equivalent to the list below:

Eavesdropping on citizens while circumventing FISA
Torturing while insisting we don't
Gutting clean air and water protections
Selling off sensitive lands in the public trust to mining and oil
Politicizing the office of the Attorneys General
No bid contracts that the office of the VP controlled
Lies perpetuated to get us into a false war with 4000+ dead
Oh, and lets not forget leaving New Orleans to fend for itself...

Based on your writings, you have no platform to call anyone a dolt.

I expect you'd need electro-shock therapy to have any chance of a
normal thought process where synapses actually fire in a predicatable
order. A lobotomy is probably the better choice since it'd put you
out of your misery.

Are you the schmuck sitting in the hospital? Maybe you can get a
psychological workup while there...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maybe you can suck my dick, bitch... Your list is as credible and
unproven as Harrys drool...


I was wondering when you were going to go public with the sort of
language you exchange with your rectum of righties.

Why waste time saying schitt and rectal when you mean **** and ass.
Harry you pussify your words, speak like a man, not a limp wristed liberal.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:35:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 12, 7:27*pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:55:43 -0800 (PST),



Maybe you can suck my dick, bitch... Your list is as credible and
unproven as Harrys drool...

Oooo, tough guy. Get under your puffy skin?

Torture, eavesdropping have both been admitted by Bush and Cheney
after denying it. The Attorney General scandal has been admitted by
the very people who ran the organization. Don't blame me for your
incredible, willful ignorance.

Bush and Cheney will be lucky to not be investigated and charged. They
should be since each of them knowingly lied about Iraq intelligence
and rushed us to war on false pretenses. I seriously doubt either of
them will plan trips overseas for fear of being locked in the Hague
and tried for war crimes.

New Orleans is self explanatory. Black folks don't matter to
Republicans apart from when they need to put on a show for votes.

They should make the Incloosion Illoosion into a move or at least a
musical. It'd be hillarious. The big republican tent, whites and
fools only.

I can tell you've selected the right party, party of the south, deep
south, where ignorance is celebrated and education is dangerous.

You live in a dark fantasy world. I feel sorry for you.