BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:31:44 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


State run SBA *is* too small. I am proposing a temporary federal
version of
SBA to get things started, funded by the already approved bailout
funding.

Eisboch


Have you seen what the federal gov't did with the program it initiated
to help victims rebuild their homes in NO? Yikes. Bureaucrats are
good at layering bull**** between good intentions and execution.


The mistake made there was depending on a bureaucratic government to
execute the details of
the program. The government is good at approving and allocating
money, that's all.
Make the funding available to hands-on people that know how to get
things done.

Normally, I wouldn't even propose federal funding for new company
start-ups (or even SBA loans) because I think learning how to
self-fund a company is as important as the product or service you
provide. However, given the crisis that currently exists and the
increase in un-employment, a temporary avenue for start-up funding
using federal money (now being completely wasted on bailouts and so
called "stimulus" packages) would be money much better spent in the
long run with benefits to the economy and country that are more
concrete and long lasting.

Just an idea.

Eisboch



Reduce government regulation at the local, state and federal levels and
cut long term capital gains to 5%. Let businesses be businesses and not
bureaucracies. Get the current capital in the market working again.

YES

BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:31:44 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


State run SBA *is* too small. I am proposing a temporary federal
version of
SBA to get things started, funded by the already approved bailout
funding.

Eisboch


Have you seen what the federal gov't did with the program it initiated
to help victims rebuild their homes in NO? Yikes. Bureaucrats are
good at layering bull**** between good intentions and execution.


The mistake made there was depending on a bureaucratic government to
execute the details of
the program. The government is good at approving and allocating
money, that's all.
Make the funding available to hands-on people that know how to get
things done.

Normally, I wouldn't even propose federal funding for new company
start-ups (or even SBA loans) because I think learning how to
self-fund a company is as important as the product or service you
provide. However, given the crisis that currently exists and the
increase in un-employment, a temporary avenue for start-up funding
using federal money (now being completely wasted on bailouts and so
called "stimulus" packages) would be money much better spent in the
long run with benefits to the economy and country that are more
concrete and long lasting.

Just an idea.

Eisboch



Reduce government regulation at the local, state and federal levels and
cut long term capital gains to 5%. Let businesses be businesses and not
bureaucracies. Get the current capital in the market working again.

We've had eight years of little or no regulation...no thanks. We're
supposed to trust business to do the right thing, when its motivation
seems to be greed and short-term profit? The behavior of business gives
me no warm and fuzzy feelings we should return to the 19th century.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:20:22 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Here's my proposal.

Forget about big business bailouts and stimulus checks/tax relief programs
to private individuals.

Establish a federal version of the state small business administration
(SBA) programs and use a fraction of the bailout monies being spent on
bailouts to provide start-up funding or growth funding for small businesses
nation-wide. This is where 80 percent of the population works. Some of
those who have lost jobs will apply for start-up funding to create new ones.
Obviously not all new businesses will make it, but those that do will hire
more people, many from the unemployed ranks. Small businesses are better
suited to focus on new technologies, green programs, or service sector areas
anyway because they don't have the diverse baggage to carry like big
business.

A recovery won't be fast, but it will be based on a solid footing and will
open the door to re-establish manufacturing in the US

Yabbut...

The point that everybody is missing is this; we are at a nexus point -
a historical confluence of events that is shifting the course of human
events. We will not be able to control it because it's ineffable - it
can't be described becasue nobody truly understands it or what will
happen when it finally changes the historical dynamic.

It's not like it hasn't happened before - discovery of the wheel, the
discovery of the concept of zero, printing press, scientific
revolution, industrial revolution, etc.

Where we, as humans, make the mistake is in trying to control events
and make them conform to us - it's an essential element of human
nature. This time there are major convergences of historical
imperatives - cultural, social and economic. In the past, these
events have led to major wars and it will probably happen this time.

This is important to understand - we have no say in the matter. We
cannot change the historical imperative no matter how we try. Upheaval
is necessary for progress otherwise we stagnate. Expand or die.

It's as simple as that.

--

Honesty is the best policy, but insanity
is a better defense.

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:20:22 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Here's my proposal.

Forget about big business bailouts and stimulus checks/tax relief programs
to private individuals.

Establish a federal version of the state small business administration
(SBA) programs and use a fraction of the bailout monies being spent on
bailouts to provide start-up funding or growth funding for small
businesses
nation-wide. This is where 80 percent of the population works. Some of
those who have lost jobs will apply for start-up funding to create new
ones.
Obviously not all new businesses will make it, but those that do will hire
more people, many from the unemployed ranks. Small businesses are better
suited to focus on new technologies, green programs, or service sector
areas
anyway because they don't have the diverse baggage to carry like big
business.

A recovery won't be fast, but it will be based on a solid footing and will
open the door to re-establish manufacturing in the US

Yabbut...

The point that everybody is missing is this; we are at a nexus point -
a historical confluence of events that is shifting the course of human
events. We will not be able to control it because it's ineffable - it
can't be described becasue nobody truly understands it or what will
happen when it finally changes the historical dynamic.

It's not like it hasn't happened before - discovery of the wheel, the
discovery of the concept of zero, printing press, scientific
revolution, industrial revolution, etc.

Where we, as humans, make the mistake is in trying to control events
and make them conform to us - it's an essential element of human
nature. This time there are major convergences of historical
imperatives - cultural, social and economic. In the past, these
events have led to major wars and it will probably happen this time.

This is important to understand - we have no say in the matter. We
cannot change the historical imperative no matter how we try. Upheaval
is necessary for progress otherwise we stagnate. Expand or die.

It's as simple as that.



I don't know about that. Like many I like to eat, nexus point or no nexus
point.

Eisboch

hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:31:44 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


State run SBA *is* too small. I am proposing a temporary federal
version of
SBA to get things started, funded by the already approved bailout
funding.

Eisboch


Have you seen what the federal gov't did with the program it initiated
to help victims rebuild their homes in NO? Yikes. Bureaucrats are
good at layering bull**** between good intentions and execution.


The mistake made there was depending on a bureaucratic government to
execute the details of
the program. The government is good at approving and allocating
money, that's all.
Make the funding available to hands-on people that know how to get
things done.

Normally, I wouldn't even propose federal funding for new company
start-ups (or even SBA loans) because I think learning how to
self-fund a company is as important as the product or service you
provide. However, given the crisis that currently exists and the
increase in un-employment, a temporary avenue for start-up funding
using federal money (now being completely wasted on bailouts and so
called "stimulus" packages) would be money much better spent in the
long run with benefits to the economy and country that are more
concrete and long lasting.

Just an idea.

Eisboch



Reduce government regulation at the local, state and federal levels
and cut long term capital gains to 5%. Let businesses be businesses
and not bureaucracies. Get the current capital in the market working
again.

We've had eight years of little or no regulation...no thanks. We're
supposed to trust business to do the right thing, when its motivation
seems to be greed and short-term profit? The behavior of business gives
me no warm and fuzzy feelings we should return to the 19th century.

When you have to come up with a recycling plan before you can open your
doors but, there is nobody who will pick up your recyclable materials
because they can't sell them. The cost of new materials is cheaper than
the recycled materials yet you are forced to recycle. The trash guys
won't haul away recyclable materials because it is illegal for them to
do so you have to pay somebody an exorbitant amount of money to come and
get your recyclable materials which are going to sit in a pile and
become a fire hazard. Why, it is just a waste of time and money.

My wife's lab has to file all kinds of paperwork with the county due to
the fact that she has some chemicals, most of them are less than 1 liter
and none are more than 2 liters. This puts her lab on the lowest level
of hazmat. But, because she can only buy mercury in 50 lb packages it
moves her up to near superfund site level. It takes her about 10 or 12
years to go through 50 pounds of mercury. You should see all of the
paper work she has to do just because of that.

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:20:22 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Here's my proposal.

Forget about big business bailouts and stimulus checks/tax relief programs
to private individuals.

Establish a federal version of the state small business administration
(SBA) programs and use a fraction of the bailout monies being spent on
bailouts to provide start-up funding or growth funding for small
businesses
nation-wide. This is where 80 percent of the population works. Some of
those who have lost jobs will apply for start-up funding to create new
ones.
Obviously not all new businesses will make it, but those that do will hire
more people, many from the unemployed ranks. Small businesses are better
suited to focus on new technologies, green programs, or service sector
areas
anyway because they don't have the diverse baggage to carry like big
business.

A recovery won't be fast, but it will be based on a solid footing and will
open the door to re-establish manufacturing in the US

Yabbut...

The point that everybody is missing is this; we are at a nexus point -
a historical confluence of events that is shifting the course of human
events. We will not be able to control it because it's ineffable - it
can't be described becasue nobody truly understands it or what will
happen when it finally changes the historical dynamic.

It's not like it hasn't happened before - discovery of the wheel, the
discovery of the concept of zero, printing press, scientific
revolution, industrial revolution, etc.

Where we, as humans, make the mistake is in trying to control events
and make them conform to us - it's an essential element of human
nature. This time there are major convergences of historical
imperatives - cultural, social and economic. In the past, these
events have led to major wars and it will probably happen this time.

This is important to understand - we have no say in the matter. We
cannot change the historical imperative no matter how we try. Upheaval
is necessary for progress otherwise we stagnate. Expand or die.

It's as simple as that.



BTW, just for giggles, (well, maybe not just for giggles) I drafted up a
simple suggestive proposal, expanded and clarified the concept slightly, and
emailed it to Obama's transition team charged with economic matters.

It's will be interesting if they read and/or respond.

For Jim: The problem with state run SBA programs are that they are more
geared towards existing small businesses in need of expansion funding. In
addition, most states right now are cutting back on expenditures and
services and funding via that route may become scarce. The state of the
national economy qualifies as an emergency and that's the responsibility of
the Federal government and their pocketbook.

It's will be interesting if they read and/or respond.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...


If I were you I'd be wishing him the best and godspeed since you and
everyone of your family members will be affected by such.

I was not a supporter of Obama, but I certainly agree with with your
comment.
He needs all the help he can get. The problems we face are too great
for one person
and his staff to deal with. I just hope he remains as open to different
ideas as he
currently claims to be.


I think Tom has expressed the same sentiment of support in the past.

Eisboch

I do wish Obama Godspeed and that he is successful in solving all
problems. If you have read any of Harry's post, you would have seen he
has been very forthright in wanting our economy to tank, so the Dem's
would have a political advantage. I have not seen anyone else make a
similar statement about Obama's administration.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:35:29 -0500, hk wrote:

BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:31:44 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


State run SBA *is* too small. I am proposing a temporary federal
version of
SBA to get things started, funded by the already approved bailout
funding.

Eisboch


Have you seen what the federal gov't did with the program it
initiated to help victims rebuild their homes in NO? Yikes.
Bureaucrats are good at layering bull**** between good intentions and
execution.


The mistake made there was depending on a bureaucratic government to
execute the details of
the program. The government is good at approving and allocating
money, that's all.
Make the funding available to hands-on people that know how to get
things done.

Normally, I wouldn't even propose federal funding for new company
start-ups (or even SBA loans) because I think learning how to
self-fund a company is as important as the product or service you
provide. However, given the crisis that currently exists and the
increase in un-employment, a temporary avenue for start-up funding
using federal money (now being completely wasted on bailouts and so
called "stimulus" packages) would be money much better spent in the
long run with benefits to the economy and country that are more
concrete and long lasting.

Just an idea.

Eisboch



Reduce government regulation at the local, state and federal levels and
cut long term capital gains to 5%. Let businesses be businesses and not
bureaucracies. Get the current capital in the market working again.

We've had eight years of little or no regulation...no thanks. We're
supposed to trust business to do the right thing, when its motivation
seems to be greed and short-term profit? The behavior of business gives
me no warm and fuzzy feelings we should return to the 19th century.

The year was 1980. Runny Nose Raygun had the same plan. Deregulate and
prop up business.The Hunt brothers had done the unbelievable, cornered the
silver market. Today it's oil.

I wish Runny Nose was still alive making Nancy's life miserable. She
deserves it from the way she listened to her soothsayers to run things
from behind the curtain.

Nothing new here folks, move along!

Old plans sound familiar that's all.

The plan that worked brought three terms to a president. Make work even
though it was CCC. Collaborate with other politicians to start a world war
in the end. One with heros that everyone knew their name. Not caskets
hidden from view.

The fifties seem like the good ol' days. A return to the roaring twenties.
The circle begins a new loop.

How does Hooverville sound or just "Jerk-Bush".

"RLM" wrote in message
...

The plan that worked brought three terms to a president. Make work even
though it was CCC. Collaborate with other politicians to start a world war
in the end. One with heros that everyone knew their name. Not caskets
hidden from view.



Right.

Any other worthwhile thoughts?

Eisboch

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:27:15 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

BTW, just for giggles, (well, maybe not just for giggles) I drafted up a
simple suggestive proposal, expanded and clarified the concept slightly, and
emailed it to Obama's transition team charged with economic matters.

I liked it, although I'd take it one step further.

To wit: back date a capital gains tax reduction on real estate - like
zero or reduction to 2-3 percent. Date it back to 2005.

That would be a real stimulus - not the phoney baloney one we had six
months ago.

--

Real engineers don't document - If it was hard to
design, it should be hard to understand.