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On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:04:04 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:




We had one at Bell Labs and was really an eerie feeling being in
there.
It
was used while measuring sound output levels from our equipment for
the
government

Were you at Bell up here, Duck?
Back in maybe '79 met a friend of a friend who worked at Bell
on a team developing a new computer language. C.
I was still in college and trying to figure out assembler.
My brother got dumped out of Lucent when they went down the tubes
what - 6-7 years ago?
Geez, how the landscape has changed.

Worked for Teletype Corp that eventually morphed into Bell Labs and
moved
on
out to Naperville. Many friends of mine were caught up in the Lucent
fiasco.

I ever tell you my Dad had a beast of a Teletype machine in his radio
shack? Surplus military thing - bigger than a freakin' washing
machine.

Yep, you've mentioned it. I had a M28 ASR years ago when I was active.

I honestly don't know what the model number of Dad's machine was -
all's I know it was huge. It might have been that one - I'll Google
it and see.

Eh - can't say really. I thnk it might have been. Looks similar.

--

"Every normal man must be tempted at times
to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag,
and begin to slit throats."

H. L. Mencken

Here's one version of M28 ASR

http://www.marcradio.org/m28.jpg

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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Here's one version of M28 ASR

http://www.marcradio.org/m28.jpg


Boy, does that bring back memories. I have a Navy tech manual for one of
those buried somewhere in the basement.

I also learned how to type on one. We sat in a room wearing those phenolic
headphones that had a metal disk for a driver/speaker, typing groups of five
characters in time to a John Phillips Sousa march.

Eisboch

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:12:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
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To be honest though, the one thing that worries me is this reliance on
digital processing. I still say we're setting ourselves up for a
major commuications melt down and sooner rather than later.

You heard it here first.

More than once too.
I'm thinking it goes beyond digital and there is too much reliance on
EMP-sensitive electronics. Even automobiles are dependent on computer
micro-circuitry that's not as robust as what was in them a few years
ago.
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees...as197010_1.HTM

Solar activity or some natural anomaly - the dis-eruption of the
gravitational equalibriums, or some as yet unknown quantum mechanical
type of magnus opus in the physics as we know them for instance -
could wreak havoc in the citizenry. And the public too.
Probably a good backup plan would be to have.....a horse.
Did I already say this? If so, I apologize.

--Vic

My '65 VW bus will still be chugging away while the Porsche sits mindless.

Eisboch

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:06:53 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:49:37 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:06:17 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:04:04 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:




We had one at Bell Labs and was really an eerie feeling being in
there.
It
was used while measuring sound output levels from our equipment for
the
government

Were you at Bell up here, Duck?
Back in maybe '79 met a friend of a friend who worked at Bell
on a team developing a new computer language. C.
I was still in college and trying to figure out assembler.
My brother got dumped out of Lucent when they went down the tubes
what - 6-7 years ago?
Geez, how the landscape has changed.

Worked for Teletype Corp that eventually morphed into Bell Labs and
moved
on
out to Naperville. Many friends of mine were caught up in the Lucent
fiasco.

I ever tell you my Dad had a beast of a Teletype machine in his radio
shack? Surplus military thing - bigger than a freakin' washing
machine.

Yep, you've mentioned it. I had a M28 ASR years ago when I was active.

I honestly don't know what the model number of Dad's machine was -
all's I know it was huge. It might have been that one - I'll Google
it and see.

Eh - can't say really. I thnk it might have been. Looks similar.

--

"Every normal man must be tempted at times
to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag,
and begin to slit throats."

H. L. Mencken

Here's one version of M28 ASR

http://www.marcradio.org/m28.jpg

That's it.

Wow - where did you find that?

--

"Far better it is to dare mighty things,
to win glorious triumphs even though
checkered by failure, than to rank with
those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor
suffer much because they live in the gray
twilight that knows neither victory nor
defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:23:38 -0500, "Eisboch"
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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Here's one version of M28 ASR

http://www.marcradio.org/m28.jpg

Boy, does that bring back memories. I have a Navy tech manual for one of
those buried somewhere in the basement.

I have the manuals from my Dad's downstairs somewhere - don't know
what the hell to do with them now though.

Wonder if they are worth anything on the antique market?

I also learned how to type on one. We sat in a room wearing those phenolic
headphones that had a metal disk for a driver/speaker, typing groups of five
characters in time to a John Phillips Sousa march.

Oh dude- does that bring back some memories. I used phones like that
when I first started in '62 in amateur radio - left overs from my Dad.
I'll bet Wayne had a pair of those when he started out. Used those
headphones on my very first crystal set. Great memory.

Far cry from the Motorola headphone/mic combination I have now.

I also have a set of David Clark headphones modified from my days in
flight school. Sometimes I think those are much better than the
Motorola digital ones I have.

Speaking of learning to type, I sat in once on a CW class being taught
by a Navy Chief (long time ago). He used to use a metronome to set
the 20 wpm rythym - had to listen to that for five minutes before the
lesson began. Old manual typewriters to boot.

Intersting technique. My Mom taught me Morse by whistling believe it
or not. That was fun. She could copy a solid 25 WPM right up until
she went over the edge into Old Timers Disease at the age of 76.

Amazing.

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken

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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:06:53 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:49:37 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


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On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:04:04 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:




We had one at Bell Labs and was really an eerie feeling being in
there.
It
was used while measuring sound output levels from our equipment for
the
government

Were you at Bell up here, Duck?
Back in maybe '79 met a friend of a friend who worked at Bell
on a team developing a new computer language. C.
I was still in college and trying to figure out assembler.
My brother got dumped out of Lucent when they went down the tubes
what - 6-7 years ago?
Geez, how the landscape has changed.

Worked for Teletype Corp that eventually morphed into Bell Labs and
moved
on
out to Naperville. Many friends of mine were caught up in the Lucent
fiasco.

I ever tell you my Dad had a beast of a Teletype machine in his radio
shack? Surplus military thing - bigger than a freakin' washing
machine.

Yep, you've mentioned it. I had a M28 ASR years ago when I was active.

I honestly don't know what the model number of Dad's machine was -
all's I know it was huge. It might have been that one - I'll Google
it and see.

Eh - can't say really. I thnk it might have been. Looks similar.

--

"Every normal man must be tempted at times
to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag,
and begin to slit throats."

H. L. Mencken

Here's one version of M28 ASR

http://www.marcradio.org/m28.jpg

That's it.

Wow - where did you find that?

--

"Far better it is to dare mighty things,
to win glorious triumphs even though
checkered by failure, than to rank with
those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor
suffer much because they live in the gray
twilight that knows neither victory nor
defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt

Google images, it that's what you mean

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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:06:17 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


Worked for Teletype Corp that eventually morphed into Bell Labs and moved
on
out to Naperville. Many friends of mine were caught up in the Lucent
fiasco.


I ever tell you my Dad had a beast of a Teletype machine in his radio
shack? Surplus military thing - bigger than a freakin' washing
machine.



My Navy experience started out as a Radioman and I was among 3 of the
first non-rated people to attend the Navy's teletype repair school in
Norfolk. ( I later converted to electronics in a Navy technical education
program).

Anyway, the Navy method of teaching stuff is sometimes amazing. I had
never seen a 100 wpm teletype machine in my life. At the end of the six
week school, I (and all the other graduates) could completely disassemble
the thing and it's hundreds of parts including gears, clutches, pawls,
shafts, etc., spread out all over the place and then reassemble it, make
all the necessary adjustments and it worked. Thinking about modern
computers, one can see the direct relationship and evolution of Morse
code to 8 bit teletype machines to this new, 64 bit Vista powered
computer. It's an amazing advancement of technology to witness in 40
years or so.

Eisboch

First big KSR33 I saw when I first got out of high school I worked in the
Western Electric warehouse. Guy is taking down a KSR33 from the top of the
racks and somebody forgot to strap it to the pallet. Takes a 20-25' nose
dive to spread parts everywhere. Cool. Later NCR use a light duty receive
only teletype as the console printer on the CPU. Ran 24/7. We got good at
rebuilding those units. The oilite bushings would partly cut the main shaft
about every 2 months at most. Was originally designed to turn on only when
a message came in. Bad engineering.

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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:06:17 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


Worked for Teletype Corp that eventually morphed into Bell Labs and
moved on
out to Naperville. Many friends of mine were caught up in the Lucent
fiasco.


I ever tell you my Dad had a beast of a Teletype machine in his radio
shack? Surplus military thing - bigger than a freakin' washing
machine.



My Navy experience started out as a Radioman and I was among 3 of the
first non-rated people to attend the Navy's teletype repair school in
Norfolk. ( I later converted to electronics in a Navy technical education
program).

Anyway, the Navy method of teaching stuff is sometimes amazing. I had
never seen a 100 wpm teletype machine in my life. At the end of the six
week school, I (and all the other graduates) could completely disassemble
the thing and it's hundreds of parts including gears, clutches, pawls,
shafts, etc., spread out all over the place and then reassemble it, make
all the necessary adjustments and it worked. Thinking about modern
computers, one can see the direct relationship and evolution of Morse
code to 8 bit teletype machines to this new, 64 bit Vista powered
computer. It's an amazing advancement of technology to witness in 40
years or so.

Eisboch


Have you ever tried to completely disassemble an Intel Quad Core with it's
millions of transistors? That may not be the hard part but getting it
back together would take more than a squib. Probably would take a Marine.


Have watched them cut holes in the top of a chip to rewire. Prototype chips
and very expensive and high failure rate.

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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:06:17 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:04:04 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:




We had one at Bell Labs and was really an eerie feeling being in
there.
It
was used while measuring sound output levels from our equipment for
the
government

Were you at Bell up here, Duck?
Back in maybe '79 met a friend of a friend who worked at Bell
on a team developing a new computer language. C.
I was still in college and trying to figure out assembler.
My brother got dumped out of Lucent when they went down the tubes
what - 6-7 years ago?
Geez, how the landscape has changed.

Worked for Teletype Corp that eventually morphed into Bell Labs and
moved
on
out to Naperville. Many friends of mine were caught up in the Lucent
fiasco.

I ever tell you my Dad had a beast of a Teletype machine in his radio
shack? Surplus military thing - bigger than a freakin' washing
machine.

Yep, you've mentioned it. I had a M28 ASR years ago when I was active.

I honestly don't know what the model number of Dad's machine was -
all's I know it was huge. It might have been that one - I'll Google
it and see.

Eh - can't say really. I thnk it might have been. Looks similar.

--

"Every normal man must be tempted at times
to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag,
and begin to slit throats."

H. L. Mencken

Did it have a keyboard?

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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:06:17 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


Worked for Teletype Corp that eventually morphed into Bell Labs and
moved on
out to Naperville. Many friends of mine were caught up in the Lucent
fiasco.


I ever tell you my Dad had a beast of a Teletype machine in his radio
shack? Surplus military thing - bigger than a freakin' washing
machine.



My Navy experience started out as a Radioman and I was among 3 of the
first non-rated people to attend the Navy's teletype repair school in
Norfolk. ( I later converted to electronics in a Navy technical education
program).

Anyway, the Navy method of teaching stuff is sometimes amazing. I had
never seen a 100 wpm teletype machine in my life. At the end of the six
week school, I (and all the other graduates) could completely disassemble
the thing and it's hundreds of parts including gears, clutches, pawls,
shafts, etc., spread out all over the place and then reassemble it, make
all the necessary adjustments and it worked. Thinking about modern
computers, one can see the direct relationship and evolution of Morse
code to 8 bit teletype machines to this new, 64 bit Vista powered
computer. It's an amazing advancement of technology to witness in 40
years or so.

Eisboch

First big KSR33 I saw when I first got out of high school I worked in the
Western Electric warehouse. Guy is taking down a KSR33 from the top of
the racks and somebody forgot to strap it to the pallet. Takes a 20-25'
nose dive to spread parts everywhere. Cool. Later NCR use a light duty
receive only teletype as the console printer on the CPU. Ran 24/7. We
got good at rebuilding those units. The oilite bushings would partly cut
the main shaft about every 2 months at most. Was originally designed to
turn on only when a message came in. Bad engineering.

Hmmm. Sounds strange. When I worked for Teletype Corp we had M33's running
for years idling, with occasional printing. it was design for light duty
printing, not light duty power on.