On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:46:48 -0500, "atlas bugged"
wrote:

"Ed" wrote in message
. ..
, 18 Dec 2008 07:07:56 -0500, BAR wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
"spaco" wrote in message
.. .
Oh, I thought he meant the State Government.
I don't know about La., but my home state is Il. and it was pretty
crooked when the first Daly ran it from Chicago, and for a long time
before that. I wonder if "getting caught" is all that separates one
state
from another that way?




I always hate OT but since I grew up in IL and went to undergrad in LA
(Tulane) I couldn't resist

IL (Actually Chicago) has ALWAYS been more corrupt than LA... since the
days of Cappone and then the first mayor Daly. They were always just
much smarter about not getting caught until the more recent years.
BTW.. the city (Chicago) always runs BETTER and more efficiently with a
corrupt mayor.

Also interesting fact (I use the word fact lightly) According to the FBI
only 48% of the murderers in the US ever serve time.... in recent history
50% of the IL Gov's will serve time.. so... you are more likely to go to
prison if you are elected as Gov of IL than if you committ MURDER!!!!
:-)

I am glad I now live in South Florida... a beautiful little Banana
republic where we expect our politicians to be on the take.... Look out
NJ... we are coming up fast in the outer lane!!! you could be #4.

nail on head

True! I am so mortified that my proud home state of NJ is getting eclipsed
by places like Illinois.

We need a PR firm for our corruption. We need better and more newsworthy
corruption.

But how do you compete when your closest neighbor elects a governor who made
his name tracking down prostitution rings, then gets caught in bed with a
skanky $1000/hour hooker?


$1000 an hour hookers are NEVER skanky.

Gunner

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:02:17 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"john" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:

"atlas bugged" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
.. .

, 18 Dec 2008 07:07:56 -0500, BAR wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:

"spaco" wrote in message
.. .

Oh, I thought he meant the State Government.
I don't know about La., but my home state is Il. and it was
pretty
crooked when the first Daly ran it from Chicago, and for a long
time
before that. I wonder if "getting caught" is all that separates
one state
from another that way?
I always hate OT but since I grew up in IL and went to undergrad in
LA (Tulane) I couldn't resist

IL (Actually Chicago) has ALWAYS been more corrupt than LA... since
the days of Cappone and then the first mayor Daly. They were
always just much smarter about not getting caught until the more
recent years. BTW.. the city (Chicago) always runs BETTER and more
efficiently with a corrupt mayor.

Also interesting fact (I use the word fact lightly) According to
the FBI only 48% of the murderers in the US ever serve time.... in
recent history 50% of the IL Gov's will serve time.. so... you are
more likely to go to prison if you are elected as Gov of IL than if
you committ MURDER!!!! :-)

I am glad I now live in South Florida... a beautiful little Banana
republic where we expect our politicians to be on the take.... Look
out NJ... we are coming up fast in the outer lane!!! you could be #4.
nail on head

True! I am so mortified that my proud home state of NJ is getting
eclipsed by places like Illinois.

We need a PR firm for our corruption. We need better and more
newsworthy corruption.

But how do you compete when your closest neighbor elects a governor
who made his name tracking down prostitution rings, then gets caught
in bed with a skanky $1000/hour hooker?
We have our work cut out for us, all right. The trouble is that our
corrupt politicians don't think big enough. We've become small-timers
in the bigger scheme of things. Our guys think that a new cabin
cruiser, season Jets tickets, and a couple of bimbos serving drinks in
the luxury suites at Yankee Stadium is living in corrupt luxury.

What we need is politicians who know what they can command in the
marketplace. Maybe we can get them some help from MLB players' agents.

--
Ed Huntress
Ed, I think you have come up with a new profession, a corruption and
take manager for politicans. The cover name for the office is political
expiditer. Politicians themselves seem to blow it when it comes to
being on the take.


John
I still think that hiring them from the ranks of MLB players' agents is
the way to go. If they can get $82.5 million for A.J. Burnett, they can
revolutionize New Jersey's political corruption.

--
Ed Huntress

I wouldn't bet my last dollar on Illinois or Lousiana being the "most
corrupt" states.

I dunno. I'm still cheering for NJ. But the FBI must have some basis for
making the judgment. We'll have to ask them.

--
Ed Huntress




I see no reason to trust any agency connected to the Bush Administration
Justice Department. Which is not to say I think Blago should remain in
office.


Of course not. Simply because most of the corrupt politicians are
Democrats...you give them a pass.

After all...Democrats are expected to be corrupt.

Gunner

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:04:37 -0500, Boater wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:02:17 -0500, Boater wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:
"john" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:

"atlas bugged" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
.. .

, 18 Dec 2008 07:07:56 -0500, BAR wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:

"spaco" wrote in message
.. .

Oh, I thought he meant the State Government.
I don't know about La., but my home state is Il. and it was
pretty
crooked when the first Daly ran it from Chicago, and for a long
time
before that. I wonder if "getting caught" is all that separates
one state
from another that way?
I always hate OT but since I grew up in IL and went to undergrad in
LA (Tulane) I couldn't resist

IL (Actually Chicago) has ALWAYS been more corrupt than LA... since
the days of Cappone and then the first mayor Daly. They were
always just much smarter about not getting caught until the more
recent years. BTW.. the city (Chicago) always runs BETTER and more
efficiently with a corrupt mayor.

Also interesting fact (I use the word fact lightly) According to
the FBI only 48% of the murderers in the US ever serve time.... in
recent history 50% of the IL Gov's will serve time.. so... you are
more likely to go to prison if you are elected as Gov of IL than if
you committ MURDER!!!! :-)

I am glad I now live in South Florida... a beautiful little Banana
republic where we expect our politicians to be on the take.... Look
out NJ... we are coming up fast in the outer lane!!! you could be #4.
nail on head

True! I am so mortified that my proud home state of NJ is getting
eclipsed by places like Illinois.

We need a PR firm for our corruption. We need better and more
newsworthy corruption.

But how do you compete when your closest neighbor elects a governor
who made his name tracking down prostitution rings, then gets caught
in bed with a skanky $1000/hour hooker?
We have our work cut out for us, all right. The trouble is that our
corrupt politicians don't think big enough. We've become small-timers
in the bigger scheme of things. Our guys think that a new cabin
cruiser, season Jets tickets, and a couple of bimbos serving drinks in
the luxury suites at Yankee Stadium is living in corrupt luxury.

What we need is politicians who know what they can command in the
marketplace. Maybe we can get them some help from MLB players' agents.

--
Ed Huntress
Ed, I think you have come up with a new profession, a corruption and
take manager for politicans. The cover name for the office is political
expiditer. Politicians themselves seem to blow it when it comes to
being on the take.


John
I still think that hiring them from the ranks of MLB players' agents is
the way to go. If they can get $82.5 million for A.J. Burnett, they can
revolutionize New Jersey's political corruption.

--
Ed Huntress
I wouldn't bet my last dollar on Illinois or Lousiana being the "most
corrupt" states.
I dunno. I'm still cheering for NJ. But the FBI must have some basis for
making the judgment. We'll have to ask them.

--
Ed Huntress



I see no reason to trust any agency connected to the Bush Administration
Justice Department. Which is not to say I think Blago should remain in
office.

Do you see any good reason to cross post?
--

Salmonbait

I'm crosspost neutral. Once in a while, though, it does bring in a new
poster more interesting than, say, the pack of jackals.

How can you say you're 'crosspost neutral' if you do it? Or was that
supposed to be a joke?

It seems as though you try your hardest to insure you receive more than
your share of insults, derogatory comments, and anger from others. That
would tend to make your complaints somewhat meaningless, no?
--

Salmonbait

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:46:48 -0500, "atlas bugged"
wrote:

"Ed" wrote in message
...
, 18 Dec 2008 07:07:56 -0500, BAR wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
"spaco" wrote in message
.. .
Oh, I thought he meant the State Government.
I don't know about La., but my home state is Il. and it was
pretty
crooked when the first Daly ran it from Chicago, and for a long time
before that. I wonder if "getting caught" is all that separates one
state
from another that way?




I always hate OT but since I grew up in IL and went to undergrad in LA
(Tulane) I couldn't resist

IL (Actually Chicago) has ALWAYS been more corrupt than LA... since the
days of Cappone and then the first mayor Daly. They were always just
much smarter about not getting caught until the more recent years.
BTW.. the city (Chicago) always runs BETTER and more efficiently with a
corrupt mayor.

Also interesting fact (I use the word fact lightly) According to the
FBI
only 48% of the murderers in the US ever serve time.... in recent
history
50% of the IL Gov's will serve time.. so... you are more likely to go to
prison if you are elected as Gov of IL than if you committ MURDER!!!!
:-)

I am glad I now live in South Florida... a beautiful little Banana
republic where we expect our politicians to be on the take.... Look out
NJ... we are coming up fast in the outer lane!!! you could be #4.

nail on head

True! I am so mortified that my proud home state of NJ is getting
eclipsed
by places like Illinois.

We need a PR firm for our corruption. We need better and more newsworthy
corruption.

But how do you compete when your closest neighbor elects a governor who
made
his name tracking down prostitution rings, then gets caught in bed with a
skanky $1000/hour hooker?


$1000 an hour hookers are NEVER skanky.

*One* was! That's the point - Spitzer's hooker was outed and we saw her.
Yechhhh! He wasn't just a ****ty hypocrite, he also overpaid and had lousy
taste in women.

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:04:37 -0500, Boater wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:02:17 -0500, Boater wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:
"john" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:

"atlas bugged" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
.. .

, 18 Dec 2008 07:07:56 -0500, BAR wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:

"spaco" wrote in message
.. .

Oh, I thought he meant the State Government.
I don't know about La., but my home state is Il. and it was
pretty
crooked when the first Daly ran it from Chicago, and for a long
time
before that. I wonder if "getting caught" is all that separates
one state
from another that way?
I always hate OT but since I grew up in IL and went to undergrad in
LA (Tulane) I couldn't resist

IL (Actually Chicago) has ALWAYS been more corrupt than LA... since
the days of Cappone and then the first mayor Daly. They were
always just much smarter about not getting caught until the more
recent years. BTW.. the city (Chicago) always runs BETTER and more
efficiently with a corrupt mayor.

Also interesting fact (I use the word fact lightly) According to
the FBI only 48% of the murderers in the US ever serve time.... in
recent history 50% of the IL Gov's will serve time.. so... you are
more likely to go to prison if you are elected as Gov of IL than if
you committ MURDER!!!! :-)

I am glad I now live in South Florida... a beautiful little Banana
republic where we expect our politicians to be on the take.... Look
out NJ... we are coming up fast in the outer lane!!! you could be #4.
nail on head

True! I am so mortified that my proud home state of NJ is getting
eclipsed by places like Illinois.

We need a PR firm for our corruption. We need better and more
newsworthy corruption.

But how do you compete when your closest neighbor elects a governor
who made his name tracking down prostitution rings, then gets caught
in bed with a skanky $1000/hour hooker?
We have our work cut out for us, all right. The trouble is that our
corrupt politicians don't think big enough. We've become small-timers
in the bigger scheme of things. Our guys think that a new cabin
cruiser, season Jets tickets, and a couple of bimbos serving drinks in
the luxury suites at Yankee Stadium is living in corrupt luxury.

What we need is politicians who know what they can command in the
marketplace. Maybe we can get them some help from MLB players' agents.

--
Ed Huntress
Ed, I think you have come up with a new profession, a corruption and
take manager for politicans. The cover name for the office is political
expiditer. Politicians themselves seem to blow it when it comes to
being on the take.


John
I still think that hiring them from the ranks of MLB players' agents is
the way to go. If they can get $82.5 million for A.J. Burnett, they can
revolutionize New Jersey's political corruption.

--
Ed Huntress
I wouldn't bet my last dollar on Illinois or Lousiana being the "most
corrupt" states.
I dunno. I'm still cheering for NJ. But the FBI must have some basis for
making the judgment. We'll have to ask them.

--
Ed Huntress


I see no reason to trust any agency connected to the Bush Administration
Justice Department. Which is not to say I think Blago should remain in
office.
Do you see any good reason to cross post?
--

Salmonbait
I'm crosspost neutral. Once in a while, though, it does bring in a new
poster more interesting than, say, the pack of jackals.

How can you say you're 'crosspost neutral' if you do it? Or was that
supposed to be a joke?

It seems as though you try your hardest to insure you receive more than
your share of insults, derogatory comments, and anger from others. That
would tend to make your complaints somewhat meaningless, no?
--

Salmonbait

Krause has 50 people here calling him an asshole. I would say that's
pretty conclusive, wouldn't you, John?

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:04:37 -0500, Boater wrote:

Do you see any good reason to cross post?
--

Salmonbait
I'm crosspost neutral. Once in a while, though, it does bring in a new
poster more interesting than, say, the pack of jackals.

How can you say you're 'crosspost neutral' if you do it? Or was that
supposed to be a joke?

It seems as though you try your hardest to insure you receive more than
your share of insults, derogatory comments, and anger from others. That
would tend to make your complaints somewhat meaningless, no?
--

Salmonbait


What it means is that I don't care if crossposters show up or not. Some
of them have far more interesting things to say here than, say, the
jackals. It's not as if this is a newsgroup about boats.

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:54:23 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:

Cheney and Co have been indicted on what charges?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/...ales.indicted/



Your twisted world view makes you look buffoonish.

Hummm..you ARE a buffoon, mea culpa

Gunner

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:42:55 -0600, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:54:23 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:

Cheney and Co have been indicted on what charges?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/...ales.indicted/

Page not found.





Your twisted world view makes you look buffoonish.

Hummm..you ARE a buffoon, mea culpa

Gunner
BROWNSVILLE — A district attorney with a reputation for wackiness and
little time left in office has stunned observers by securing indictments
against Vice President Dick Cheney, former Attorney General Alberto
Gonzales and Brownsville Sen. Eddie Lucio Jr., among others.

Is this reality TV or something that will prove real?

At least for now, the White House isn't saying. But Lucio's lawyer
described outgoing Willacy County District Attorney Juan Angel Guerra as
a circus act.

Guerra, a 53-year-old Rio Grande Valley prosecutor who drew national
attention for suing counterparts in the county justice system and
staging a protest with barnyard animals, long has alleged high-ranking
corruption in the deals that brought the impoverished county a $60
million immigration detention center.

On Monday, he got a grand jury to sign off on a slew of indictments
including an acceptance of honorarium charge against Lucio and an
engaging in organized criminal activity charge against Cheney and
Gonzales.

“I didn't intend to go after the vice president. That was not my
intention,” said Guerra, who dubbed the investigation Operation Goliath.
“We just followed the money, followed the corruption. It just happened
that it just took us all the way to Washington.”

Lucio's lawyer, Michael Cowan, fired back Tuesday with a news release
trumpeting Guerra's continued “one-man circus.”

“Having been voted out of office, Willacy County DA commits one last act
of political revenge,” Cowan said. “With only a few weeks left in his
term, Mr. Guerra has again chosen to misuse his position in an attempt
to seek revenge on those who he sees as political enemies.”

Cheney is accused of contributing to the neglect of federal immigration
detainees by contracting for-profit prisons.

“By working through corporations as prisons for profit, Defendant
Richard Cheney has committed at least misdemeanor assaults of our
inmates and/or detainees,” the indictment reads, adding that a “money
trail” can be traced to Cheney's substantial investments in the Vanguard
Group, which invests in privately run prisons.

Megan Mitchell, spokeswoman for Cheney, said: “We have not received an
indictment. We haven't received a call from the district attorney's
office. ... We haven't heard anything from the district attorney.”

Guerra said he kept Operation Goliath secret for four months over
concern that pressure would be brought to bear to stop it.

He said “everything was being worked out of my house” and only one
trusted member of his staff knew about it. He said he enlisted the help
of people all over the country and talked to witnesses all over the
country. Everyone who helped was assigned a biblical name. Guerra was
known as David.

He said the investigation continues and that when he leaves office,
he'll probably ask for a special prosecutor to be named.

Cowan said he was working on a motion to quash the indictment against
Lucio, which is based on allegations Lucio misused his contacts and
influence as a senator in his consulting work. Guerra has said another
company could have built the facility for half the cost.

“There's no crime here,” Cowan said. “The senator's done nothing wrong.
Being a senator is not a fulltime job — you're allowed to have outside
employment.”

Also named in at least eight separate indictments:

?GEO Group, Inc., formerly Wackenhut Corrections Corp., and David
Forrest, a warden, for murder and manslaughter of an inmate in 2001.

?District Clerk Gilbert Lozano for official abuse of official capacity
and official oppression.

?Special prosecutor Gustavo Garza for official abuse of official
capacity and official oppression.

?Special prosecutor Mervyn Mosbacker for official abuse of official
capacity and official oppression.

?District Judge Migdalia Lopez for official abuse of official capacity
and official oppression

?District Judge Janet Leal for official abuse of official capacity and
official oppression.

Guerra said he has requested that those indicted be given a summons to
appear.

Guerra himself has faced indictment before and has defended himself in a
colorful fashion while claiming to be the target of political vendettas.

In 2007, after being indicted on public theft charges, he camped in
front of the county jail with goats, roosters and a horse to symbolize
what he called a “circus” against him. Those charges were dismissed, as
more recently were other indictments accusing him of corruption
including tampering with government records and abusing his office.

Guerra later sued the county judge, county sheriff, county clerks, and
others.

Guerra has contended the indictments against him were meant to keep him
from being re-elected. He lost in the March primary election.

Regarding Lucio's comment that the indictments are a circus act, he
said, “This was a grand jury that had been looking into this for the
past four months. That's belittling the grand jury.”


Laugh laugh laugh...the old adage IS true...a nutcase can indict a ham
sandwich. Looks like he forgot the sandwich, but he got everyone
else....even the court clerk.

ROFLMAO!

He must be a Democrat, based on his lunacy.

Gunner

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:45:44 -0500, "atlas bugged"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:46:48 -0500, "atlas bugged"
wrote:

"Ed" wrote in message
t...
, 18 Dec 2008 07:07:56 -0500, BAR wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
"spaco" wrote in message
.. .
Oh, I thought he meant the State Government.
I don't know about La., but my home state is Il. and it was
pretty
crooked when the first Daly ran it from Chicago, and for a long time
before that. I wonder if "getting caught" is all that separates one
state
from another that way?




I always hate OT but since I grew up in IL and went to undergrad in LA
(Tulane) I couldn't resist

IL (Actually Chicago) has ALWAYS been more corrupt than LA... since the
days of Cappone and then the first mayor Daly. They were always just
much smarter about not getting caught until the more recent years.
BTW.. the city (Chicago) always runs BETTER and more efficiently with a
corrupt mayor.

Also interesting fact (I use the word fact lightly) According to the
FBI
only 48% of the murderers in the US ever serve time.... in recent
history
50% of the IL Gov's will serve time.. so... you are more likely to go to
prison if you are elected as Gov of IL than if you committ MURDER!!!!
:-)

I am glad I now live in South Florida... a beautiful little Banana
republic where we expect our politicians to be on the take.... Look out
NJ... we are coming up fast in the outer lane!!! you could be #4.

nail on head

True! I am so mortified that my proud home state of NJ is getting
eclipsed
by places like Illinois.

We need a PR firm for our corruption. We need better and more newsworthy
corruption.

But how do you compete when your closest neighbor elects a governor who
made
his name tracking down prostitution rings, then gets caught in bed with a
skanky $1000/hour hooker?


$1000 an hour hookers are NEVER skanky.

*One* was! That's the point - Spitzer's hooker was outed and we saw her.
Yechhhh! He wasn't just a ****ty hypocrite, he also overpaid and had lousy
taste in women.


Catch her at a really bad time? Or she can suck start a Harley...a
croquet ball through a half mile of garden hose....G

She has to have some kink she is good at that earns her that kind of
money.

Gunner

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:45:44 -0500, "atlas bugged"
wrote:
But how do you compete when your closest neighbor elects a governor who
made
his name tracking down prostitution rings, then gets caught in bed with
a
skanky $1000/hour hooker?


$1000 an hour hookers are NEVER skanky.

*One* was! That's the point - Spitzer's hooker was outed and we saw her.
Yechhhh! He wasn't just a ****ty hypocrite, he also overpaid and had
lousy
taste in women.


Catch her at a really bad time? Or she can suck start a Harley...a
croquet ball through a half mile of garden hose....G

She has to have some kink she is good at that earns her that kind of
money.

That's actually correct and perceptive.

The laws of supply and demand don't go away, no matter how much and how many
wish it.

Still, not my cup of tea. Have a look:
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/15422/original.jpg