On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:08:46 -0500, BAR wrote:



A certificate of live birth can be forged.

It also might be irrelevant. Read clause g in the following:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8...1----000-.html

That would appear, IANAL, to make Obama a natural born citizen whether he
was born in Kenya, or Hawaii.

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote:


Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the
USA
come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so
ignorant of
the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth?

Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and
the state of Hawaii has declared it legitimate.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064


We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a
photo copy of his birth certificate.

What you want is not relevant.

Sure it is. I am a US citizen.


Yeah? Prove it. How do we know your birth certificates were not
photoshopped, and that you haven't bribed someone at the hall of
records in the city where you were born?


Contact the State of Washington's Vital Records Department.


Maybe you bribed them.

See where this is going?

D'oh.

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:59:14 -0600, wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:27:50 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:04:37 -0600, wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote:


Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA
come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant
of the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth?

Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the
state of Hawaii has declared it legitimate.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064

Ah - my friend it may not be a legitimate certificate - by law. For the
reasons stated.

That's what's going to be the issue - is that certificate a legal
document based, as it is, on a flawed law?

Again - I think it's silly and frankly, insulting to Obama and, this may
surprize you, I'm on the opposite side - this is much to do about
nothing - Congress can fix this immediately.

But that's the issue - can Congress make this go away.

And that's were the fun of discussing this is.

However, the law you mentioned the Nationality Act of 1940 isn't the one
that applies. That law was superseded by the Immigration and Nationality
Act of 1952 (McCarren Walter Act).

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, section 349 (a), provided:

“From and after the effective date of this Act a person who is a
national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall
lose his nationality by -- (1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign
state upon his own application, upon an application filed in his behalf
by a parent, or duly authorized agent, or through the naturalization of a
parent having legal custody of such person: Provided, That *nationality
shall not be lost by any person under this section* as the result of the
naturalization of a parent or parents while such person is under the age
of twenty-one years, or as the result of naturalization obtained on
behalf of a person under twenty-one years of age by a parent, guardian,
or duly authorized agent, *unless such person shall fail to enter the
United States to establish a permanent residence prior to his twenty-
fifth birthday*: ....”

Section 355 of that Act provided that:

“A person having United States nationality, who is under the age of
twenty-one and whose residence is in a foreign state with or under the
legal custody of a parent who hereafter loses United States nationality
under section 350 or 352 of this title, shall also lose his United States
nationality if such person has or acquires the nationality of such
foreign state: Provided, That, in such case, *United States nationality
shall not be lost as the result of loss of United States nationality by
the parent unless and until the person attains the age of twenty-five
years without having established his residence in the United States*.”

Yeah - I just read about that, but, according to the legal beagles,
the section I referenced, the age clause still applies.

That's what I've read anyway.

BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:32:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
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My understanding is that the Toyota we have was not built by
non-union
workers in the USA.

Why did I choose it? Because at the time I purchased it, the
corresponding
Ford and GM vehicles were too large.

I assume you bought a used Tundra.

Eisboch

I believe he said he had a 4Runner.
--
John H.


Oh. I was wrong. I thought he mentioned a Tundra.
I assume it is an older, used model.

Eisboch


4Runner with 100,000 miles. Still in good shape, but only used as a
boat ramp tow vehicle these days. When we got it, Ford and GM didn't
make a mid-sized SUV with similar tow capacity, as I recall, and, of
course, I wouldn't take a Chrysler product on a bet, not with those
old-tech pushrod engines.

That was almost six years ago, though. I haven't stayed "current"
with what is being offered by Ford or GM these days. In fact, I'm not
really that interested in cars these days.

I do think Ford and GM would be better off, as would their workers,
if good foreign management took over there, management from Japan or
Korea. with buyouts for the current organized employees, and a new
unionized deal for new hires, with a quality "national" health care
plan so the employers aren't burdened with that.

I have no faith in U.S. corporate management and its B-school mentality.

Your lack of faith is apparent. GM is Better off in chapter 11 with no
bailout money. Pay the union members off with 10 cents per benefit
dollar and lock out the unions permanently. Executive bonus should be
tied to profit. Worker bonus and pay should be tied to individual
productivity. Simply put. "Earn your pay"

Executive bonuses should be paid out 5 years later.

Good incentive for working to keep the companies solvent long term.

Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:58:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they
told to build.
Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh?

Figures.

Eisboch
It's the way U.S. auto factories are operated. The disdain for
workers who haven't had some of the advantages you have had is
palpable.
From what I gleaned here, Eisboch's *advantages* are the result of
self-sacrifice and *hard* work. You know, the American way.
You forgot the most important ingredient. Luck.

You make your own luck by hard work.

Just like all successful people.


Many of those who work factory jobs don't have what it takes to do more
than show up every day for work and do a good job. That shouldn't make
them objects for your scorn.

If ever there was a scornful person, you fit the bill to a T. Mr Harry
N. Krause.
Merry Christmas

BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they
told to build.
Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh?

Figures.

Eisboch
It's the way U.S. auto factories are operated. The disdain for
workers who haven't had some of the advantages you have had is
palpable.
From what I gleaned here, Eisboch's *advantages* are the result of
self-sacrifice and *hard* work. You know, the American way.


You forgot the most important ingredient. Luck.

An old sage once said "**** doesn't happen, you let it happen."

Luck is sitting around in your underwear when the Publisher's Clearing
House check guys come knocking at your door.

They better not knock on Harry's door. He'll blow their heads clear off.

Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:36:51 -0600, wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:25:24 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


I am not the one doing the complaining about Obama. The complaints are
coming from your flock.
Are you sure? Those that are writing those articles, whose flock to
they belong to? Personally, I haven't heard any complaints, have you?

Actually yes.

To hear Mrs. Wave and her fellow travelers talk that is.

And read the Daily Kos and the Huffington Post.


Kos has participating bloggers from all over the political spectrum,
including the far, far left. It's what makes it interesting sometimes.
But the far lefties don't get the attention in the Democratic party that
the far righties get in the Republican party, because the Republican
party is mostly far righties these days. *White* far righties.

It isn't often one gets to see evolution in action. It is quite
pleasurable watching the Republican party being evolved out of existence.

What do you have against white people Krause? Some of my best friends
are white.

On Dec 8, 7:21*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:54:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
...

They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to
build.

Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh?

Figures.

Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course,
me.

It is all about me you know.

You mean, El Supremo, that bought a real P.O.S. That praises his local
Ford dealership which had to work on his new S-box continually
covering their parent companies ill-designed products? The same
Supremo who believes that Dodge and GM products are inferior?

That Supremo?

?;^ Q

Tim wrote:
On Dec 8, 7:21 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:54:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
...
They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to
build.
Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh?
Figures.
Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course,
me.

It is all about me you know.

You mean, El Supremo, that bought a real P.O.S. That praises his local
Ford dealership which had to work on his new S-box continually
covering their parent companies ill-designed products? The same
Supremo who believes that Dodge and GM products are inferior?

That Supremo?

?;^ Q


Forget not the soon to be orphaned eTec outboard and the 4/3'rds format
camera that no one else is buying. Oh...and the lock on John McCain and
Sarah the Ditz winning the election.

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:58:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

You forgot the most important ingredient. Luck.

I prefer to call it good fortune.

Luck comes to those who are prepared for it and recognize it when they
see it.