"Alan" wrote in :

Hi Larry, I don't own one yet but was thinking of getting one of the
75 Hp outboards. I am was deciding between the Merc or Evenrude. What
problems are they having with the Ficht's I wasn't aware of any? The
boat show is this week were I am now so it is getting down to crunch
time. Alan



Oh, Nay, let me count the ways....
http://my.boatus.com/consumer/200225hpFichtFires.asp
http://my.boatus.com/consumer/OMCBankruptcy.asp
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._4/ai_61555469
http://www.epinions.com/content_22455488132
http://www.epinions.com/boat-Motors-...splay_~reviews
smooth over the first two enamored owners and read owner 3's computer
problem....
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005165.html

Of course, Optimax is also crap, too:
http://www.theboatingnews.com/0501_mercur_pulls.htm

http://www.boatsetup.com/PlgIndex.pdf
Do you REALLY want to own an engine where if you don't install the spark
plugs in just the right way, it blasts the heads off them 20 miles from
the trailer "up the creek", so to speak?

One guy I found was told he needed a new computer for his Ficht, over
$4000! That ALONE makes Ficht a no-buy to me. The damned computer NASA
uses on interplanetary space launches is the only "computer" that costs
more! $4000 for a fuel injection computer? Is it made of solid
Palladium?

Larry, as usual, says much but knows nothing about FICHTs. He's probably
seen a couple over the past eight years or so, but he knows only what he
reads when it is negative.

He and an Austrailian idiot have been ranting about FICHTs for years. Those
on rec.boats simply consider the source.

For some interesting info on ETECS go to etecinfonet.org and see what you
learn.

Butch

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Alan" wrote in :

Hi Larry, I don't own one yet but was thinking of getting one of the
75 Hp outboards. I am was deciding between the Merc or Evenrude. What
problems are they having with the Ficht's I wasn't aware of any? The
boat show is this week were I am now so it is getting down to crunch
time. Alan



Oh, Nay, let me count the ways....
http://my.boatus.com/consumer/200225hpFichtFires.asp
http://my.boatus.com/consumer/OMCBankruptcy.asp
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._4/ai_61555469
http://www.epinions.com/content_22455488132
http://www.epinions.com/boat-Motors-...splay_~reviews
smooth over the first two enamored owners and read owner 3's computer
problem....
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005165.html

Of course, Optimax is also crap, too:
http://www.theboatingnews.com/0501_mercur_pulls.htm

http://www.boatsetup.com/PlgIndex.pdf
Do you REALLY want to own an engine where if you don't install the spark
plugs in just the right way, it blasts the heads off them 20 miles from
the trailer "up the creek", so to speak?

One guy I found was told he needed a new computer for his Ficht, over
$4000! That ALONE makes Ficht a no-buy to me. The damned computer NASA
uses on interplanetary space launches is the only "computer" that costs
more! $4000 for a fuel injection computer? Is it made of solid
Palladium?

Well Butch I tried the link and searched google and there is nothing showing
up for etecinfonet.org
The guys at the boat show have acknowledged there is trouble with
lubrication and it turns out Penske is the one that wanted to buy the etech
technology. When things go wrong they go really wrong and expensive. When
running right there great. They own part of Detroit Engines which are 2
strokes so who knows where the marine line would end up if they are
successful in their bid. Their transport truck people and racing. The high
pressure line delivery is still a concern from people at the boat show. One
of my friends got burned on the extended warranty when OMC went under on a
50 4stroke first hand - the engine never failed though! So I am leaning
towards a 75 Merc 4 stroke at this point. These engines are too expensive to
be part of an experiment of shareholders and technology. Anyone have
thoughts on this? Alan

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Larry, as usual, says much but knows nothing about FICHTs. He's probably
seen a couple over the past eight years or so, but he knows only what he
reads when it is negative.

He and an Austrailian idiot have been ranting about FICHTs for years.
Those on rec.boats simply consider the source.

For some interesting info on ETECS go to etecinfonet.org and see what you
learn.

Butch


"Alan" wrote in :

Hi Larry, I don't own one yet but was thinking of getting one of the
75 Hp outboards. I am was deciding between the Merc or Evenrude. What
problems are they having with the Ficht's I wasn't aware of any? The
boat show is this week were I am now so it is getting down to crunch
time. Alan

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Oh, Nay, let me count the ways....
http://my.boatus.com/consumer/200225hpFichtFires.asp
http://my.boatus.com/consumer/OMCBankruptcy.asp
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._4/ai_61555469
http://www.epinions.com/content_22455488132
http://www.epinions.com/boat-Motors-...splay_~reviews
smooth over the first two enamored owners and read owner 3's computer
problem....
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005165.html

Of course, Optimax is also crap, too:
http://www.theboatingnews.com/0501_mercur_pulls.htm

http://www.boatsetup.com/PlgIndex.pdf
Do you REALLY want to own an engine where if you don't install the spark
plugs in just the right way, it blasts the heads off them 20 miles from
the trailer "up the creek", so to speak?

One guy I found was told he needed a new computer for his Ficht, over
$4000! That ALONE makes Ficht a no-buy to me. The damned computer NASA
uses on interplanetary space launches is the only "computer" that costs
more! $4000 for a fuel injection computer? Is it made of solid
Palladium?

Alan,

Sorry, should have said e-tecinfonet.org (note the dash after the e in
e-tec).

Don't know who your guys are at the boat show but assume the are not up to
date or are selling competeing engines. Mostly at shows you only encounter
"sales types" not "tech types". Some sales guys are very smart about the
products they sell but in my experience they are not. Mostly they tell
folks just about anything to consumate a sale.

Obviously I have no axe to grind over the final engine choice you make. I
own no stock in BRP. You were seeking information and got a what I
personally know as a FICHT owner for the past eight years. There are NO out
of the ordinary FICHT issues. On the used market there may well be some
FICHTs for sale which were not factory updated when that service was
offered. I believe the 150 and 175 HP early FICHTs had problems requiring
updates and sometimes new power heads. ETECs have been performing more or
less faultlessly from day one.

Don't know what Penske has to do with the issue. Have they made a bid to
your certain knowledge for BRP or Evinrude? The experience they have with
Detroit Diesel Allison two stroke engines certainly is of no value to
outboard engine technology.

If you do your homework I think you'll find that ETEC and new FICHT have no
more issues than Merc, Yammie, Suzuki, etc.

BTW, why did you post this issue to rec.boats.electronics?

Good luck.

Butch
"Alan" wrote in message ...
Well Butch I tried the link and searched google and there is nothing
showing up for etecinfonet.org
The guys at the boat show have acknowledged there is trouble with
lubrication and it turns out Penske is the one that wanted to buy the
etech technology. When things go wrong they go really wrong and expensive.
When running right there great. They own part of Detroit Engines which are
2 strokes so who knows where the marine line would end up if they are
successful in their bid. Their transport truck people and racing. The high
pressure line delivery is still a concern from people at the boat show.
One of my friends got burned on the extended warranty when OMC went under
on a 50 4stroke first hand - the engine never failed though! So I am
leaning towards a 75 Merc 4 stroke at this point. These engines are too
expensive to be part of an experiment of shareholders and technology.
Anyone have thoughts on this? Alan

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Larry, as usual, says much but knows nothing about FICHTs. He's probably
seen a couple over the past eight years or so, but he knows only what he
reads when it is negative.

He and an Austrailian idiot have been ranting about FICHTs for years.
Those on rec.boats simply consider the source.

For some interesting info on ETECS go to etecinfonet.org and see what you
learn.

Butch


"Alan" wrote in :

Hi Larry, I don't own one yet but was thinking of getting one of the
75 Hp outboards. I am was deciding between the Merc or Evenrude. What
problems are they having with the Ficht's I wasn't aware of any? The
boat show is this week were I am now so it is getting down to crunch
time. Alan

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Oh, Nay, let me count the ways....
http://my.boatus.com/consumer/200225hpFichtFires.asp
http://my.boatus.com/consumer/OMCBankruptcy.asp
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._4/ai_61555469
http://www.epinions.com/content_22455488132
http://www.epinions.com/boat-Motors-...splay_~reviews
smooth over the first two enamored owners and read owner 3's computer
problem....
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005165.html

Of course, Optimax is also crap, too:
http://www.theboatingnews.com/0501_mercur_pulls.htm

http://www.boatsetup.com/PlgIndex.pdf
Do you REALLY want to own an engine where if you don't install the spark
plugs in just the right way, it blasts the heads off them 20 miles from
the trailer "up the creek", so to speak?

One guy I found was told he needed a new computer for his Ficht, over
$4000! That ALONE makes Ficht a no-buy to me. The damned computer NASA
uses on interplanetary space launches is the only "computer" that costs
more! $4000 for a fuel injection computer? Is it made of solid
Palladium?

Thanks Butch lots to read there now :) The Penske information is from the
boat show people as you said can't be trusted as proof. Usually there is
some truth to rumors just not sure how much so I thought maybe someone would
have heard of it. The boat dealers carry both or access both engine lines. I
posted in this group because 99% of posts are about boats and not snake oil.
The bulk of the information of bad things are from earlier motors and it is
2006 now which has given them 6 years to figure things out. I must admit it
looks like they had a fairly dismal start from the other posted links. I
feel sorry for the people that got nailed on the early models. It really
isn't fair when the motors are so expensive now. Like motorcross bikes that
use to cost $1200 are now $6000 still with no warranty out of the crate - a
bit of a leap in faith. Alan

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
k.net...
Alan,

Sorry, should have said e-tecinfonet.org (note the dash after the e in
e-tec).

Don't know who your guys are at the boat show but assume the are not up to
date or are selling competeing engines. Mostly at shows you only
encounter "sales types" not "tech types". Some sales guys are very smart
about the products they sell but in my experience they are not. Mostly
they tell folks just about anything to consumate a sale.

Obviously I have no axe to grind over the final engine choice you make. I
own no stock in BRP. You were seeking information and got a what I
personally know as a FICHT owner for the past eight years. There are NO
out of the ordinary FICHT issues. On the used market there may well be
some FICHTs for sale which were not factory updated when that service was
offered. I believe the 150 and 175 HP early FICHTs had problems requiring
updates and sometimes new power heads. ETECs have been performing more or
less faultlessly from day one.

Don't know what Penske has to do with the issue. Have they made a bid to
your certain knowledge for BRP or Evinrude? The experience they have with
Detroit Diesel Allison two stroke engines certainly is of no value to
outboard engine technology.

If you do your homework I think you'll find that ETEC and new FICHT have
no more issues than Merc, Yammie, Suzuki, etc.

BTW, why did you post this issue to rec.boats.electronics?

Good luck.

Butch
"Alan" wrote in message ...
Well Butch I tried the link and searched google and there is nothing
showing up for etecinfonet.org
The guys at the boat show have acknowledged there is trouble with
lubrication and it turns out Penske is the one that wanted to buy the
etech technology. When things go wrong they go really wrong and
expensive. When running right there great. They own part of Detroit
Engines which are 2 strokes so who knows where the marine line would end
up if they are successful in their bid. Their transport truck people and
racing. The high pressure line delivery is still a concern from people at
the boat show. One of my friends got burned on the extended warranty when
OMC went under on a 50 4stroke first hand - the engine never failed
though! So I am leaning towards a 75 Merc 4 stroke at this point. These
engines are too expensive to be part of an experiment of shareholders and
technology. Anyone have thoughts on this? Alan

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Larry, as usual, says much but knows nothing about FICHTs. He's
probably seen a couple over the past eight years or so, but he knows
only what he reads when it is negative.

He and an Austrailian idiot have been ranting about FICHTs for years.
Those on rec.boats simply consider the source.

For some interesting info on ETECS go to etecinfonet.org and see what
you learn.

Butch


"Alan" wrote in :

Hi Larry, I don't own one yet but was thinking of getting one of the
75 Hp outboards. I am was deciding between the Merc or Evenrude. What
problems are they having with the Ficht's I wasn't aware of any? The
boat show is this week were I am now so it is getting down to crunch
time. Alan

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Oh, Nay, let me count the ways....
http://my.boatus.com/consumer/200225hpFichtFires.asp
http://my.boatus.com/consumer/OMCBankruptcy.asp
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._4/ai_61555469
http://www.epinions.com/content_22455488132
http://www.epinions.com/boat-Motors-...splay_~reviews
smooth over the first two enamored owners and read owner 3's
computer
problem....
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005165.html

Of course, Optimax is also crap, too:
http://www.theboatingnews.com/0501_mercur_pulls.htm

http://www.boatsetup.com/PlgIndex.pdf
Do you REALLY want to own an engine where if you don't install the
spark
plugs in just the right way, it blasts the heads off them 20 miles from
the trailer "up the creek", so to speak?

One guy I found was told he needed a new computer for his Ficht, over
$4000! That ALONE makes Ficht a no-buy to me. The damned computer
NASA
uses on interplanetary space launches is the only "computer" that costs
more! $4000 for a fuel injection computer? Is it made of solid
Palladium?

"Butch Davis" wrote in
k.net:

Obviously I have no axe to grind over the final engine choice you
make. I own no stock in BRP. You were seeking information and got a
what I personally know as a FICHT owner for the past eight years.
There are NO out of the ordinary FICHT issues. On the used market
there may well be some FICHTs for sale which were not factory updated
when that service was offered. I believe the 150 and 175 HP early
FICHTs had problems requiring updates and sometimes new power heads.
ETECs have been performing more or less faultlessly from day one.



Horse****....company horse****. It STILL requires very expensive lube
oil and specially-indexed spark plugs to keep the blowtorch injection
from eating the head off them. It's STILL A FICHT!, no matter who owns
the company at the moment or what their ad agency contract says.

http://parts.evinrude.com/OIL%20WEBSITE/home.html

http://www.outboardrepairs.com/ficht/

(sarcasm ON)
What surprises me is why Chevy and Ford haven't abandoned 4-stroke
engines and put Ficht or Optimax engines in the cars! They use less
fuel, require almost no maintenance and are just wonderful to own! We'll
probably all be driving Ficht Hondas and Fords by 2010 with such
wonderful technology....(c;
(sarchasm OFF)

Now, let's look at a little reality looking forward from today:

1) They're all ABANDONING 2-STROKE ENGINES.

2) With the abandonment certain, why would anyone buy a 2-stroker noone
will admit they ever made, say, 3-5 years from today? Where's the parts
going to come from, blown powerheads which are abundant?

I'm with the poster....get the 4-stroker....

Ficht - a bad patch to a bad idea....

Weel Larry, yeah the synthetic oil is expensive. But, in ETEC, use of the
latest oil cuts comsumption by 50%. Just a guess, but I'll betcha the ETEC
uses less oil than any other 2 stroke.

FYI, specially-indexed spark plugs do not exist AFAIK, and I've been fooling
around with engines since 1954. It's necessary to install the spark plugs
in FICHTs correctly. Many high performance engines require some extra
effort and attention to detail when installing plugs. Indexing of plugs is
simplicity itself. It simply means, in our case, that the electrode gap
should be pointed more or less toward the fuel injector. Pretty difficult,
eh?

If you need more info to understand the process, let me know and I'll send
you the directions in an Adobe document.

Four strokes are making great headway and will, at some point, probably
replace two strokes in the marketplace. But, for those of us to whom weight
on the transom and hole shot/acceleration continue to be an issue, two
strokes generally tend to be the answer.

YMMV.

Butch
"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Butch Davis" wrote in
k.net:

Obviously I have no axe to grind over the final engine choice you
make. I own no stock in BRP. You were seeking information and got a
what I personally know as a FICHT owner for the past eight years.
There are NO out of the ordinary FICHT issues. On the used market
there may well be some FICHTs for sale which were not factory updated
when that service was offered. I believe the 150 and 175 HP early
FICHTs had problems requiring updates and sometimes new power heads.
ETECs have been performing more or less faultlessly from day one.



Horse****....company horse****. It STILL requires very expensive lube
oil and specially-indexed spark plugs to keep the blowtorch injection
from eating the head off them. It's STILL A FICHT!, no matter who owns
the company at the moment or what their ad agency contract says.

http://parts.evinrude.com/OIL%20WEBSITE/home.html

http://www.outboardrepairs.com/ficht/

(sarcasm ON)
What surprises me is why Chevy and Ford haven't abandoned 4-stroke
engines and put Ficht or Optimax engines in the cars! They use less
fuel, require almost no maintenance and are just wonderful to own! We'll
probably all be driving Ficht Hondas and Fords by 2010 with such
wonderful technology....(c;
(sarchasm OFF)

Now, let's look at a little reality looking forward from today:

1) They're all ABANDONING 2-STROKE ENGINES.

2) With the abandonment certain, why would anyone buy a 2-stroker noone
will admit they ever made, say, 3-5 years from today? Where's the parts
going to come from, blown powerheads which are abundant?

I'm with the poster....get the 4-stroker....

Ficht - a bad patch to a bad idea....

I have several friends that did buy FITCH engines when it was still
OMC. They were probably one of the worst engines ever built, they all
went through multiple engines and power heads, every single engine had
problems. Local boat dealers were even refusing to take boats in on
trade with FITCH engines on them, they couldn't get rid of then. All of
this appears to be in the past, and Bomarbier appears to have bone a
very good job of correcting problems with the mess they "inherited". I
spoke to a friend of mine that works for one of the largest dealers in
the area, I've known the guy for almost thirty years. He indicated that
the new ETEC engines have been very reliable, better than the Yamahas
they also sell, their quite happy with them. He makes his living
selling boats and engines. Don't kid yourself, It's a lot easier to
sell a good product, than it is selling a bad one. You don't have to
deal with unhappy customers that will never buy another thing from you
again.