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Nice Post Mark. Thanks
"markvictor" wrote in message oups.com... OK Marc, These are the facts: first,on your incoming shorepower ground,you would take care of any "stray current" problems caused by the marina or other boats by installing a galvanic isolator....sometimes called a zinc saver...almost all in-water boats made today have them installed OEM...Second, your AC ground absolutely SHOULD be connected to the DC ground buss, at 1 location only, to prevent ground loops....Why? Some of these other posters have forgotten that just because you are not connected to shore power,does not mean there is no AC power present....ie.gensets and inverters....A gfi will do absolutely nothing if there is no true earth ground, and if away from the dock, that ground is seawater,via the ship ground(shaft, bonding system, thru-hulls etc. Without that AC ground connection, you can become part of the ground circuit if a fault occurs. That said, you should have a seperate buss for each of the following: a neg. DC buss, a ship's GROUND buss, and an AC ground buss...Note that the DC neg buss is for connecting dc equipment to battery negative, the ship's GROUND buss is for bonding all equipment and machinery and the protective anodes together. Why connect the two? because in the event of a bad neg. DC connection, say to an engine block, it prevents The DC current from seeking an alternate path to the starter etc through seawater and the bonding system itself. Therefore there should be 1 bond between the neg DC and the ship's ground buss, and 1 bond between the AC ground buss and either 1)neg DC buss, or 2) (preferred) Ship's ground buss. This is not debateable or optional....it is absolutely necessary for safety...Period. If you have problems with rapid zinc consumption, you need to do a complete corrosion survey with the proper equipment to determine the source of the problem. Disconnecting the bond is like turning up the stereo to make an engine noise go away...Someone else remarked about the NEC and metal enclosures and sparks...He is wrong! each breaker IS ignition protected...they don't use metal enclosures due to weight and corrosion issues...This is a BOAT not a BUILDING, he needs to familiarize himself with ABYC and Lloyd's Standards, they are the applicable codes, and in almost all cases more stringent than the NEC.,but written for the marine environment, not sitting on a piece of dirt... Your SSB antenna better not be grounded or you'll cook your radio the first time you send modulation. SSB signals bounce off ground(called a counterpoise) which is seawater connected by an RF ground, your bonding and thru hull system, a steel hull, a metal fuel tank, or a dynaplate. This reflects the ssb signal skyward. Marc, do it once and do it right...remember that your boat is your total life support system when you're at sea... you can't walk out the front door when there's a problem....think about that before taking shortcuts or cutting corners to save money. And not to stir up things, but I can tell you with certainty.....Listen to Chuck, and forget anything that Larry posted....Chuck is right on target,and knows boats.....Guys like Larry are responsible for a large portion of my income... I have no problem correcting mistakes at $85.00/hour.. I'm not spouting steam at you, I have over 25 years in the marine industry primarily in electrical and electronics and plenty of schools and certs. It's cheaper to do it right! Good Luck! markvictor |
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Thanks John,
I hate to see people get screwed up by bad info.. One of the most common things I hear on service calls is "my buddy hooked it up for me" or "my buddy said all I had to do was..." I hate to tell them, but he's not their buddy, he's MY buddy! Sad but true..... markvictor |
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