So what has Cuba done to protet this action?

Doug
s/v Callista

"Chuck Baier" wrote in message
om...
If you are indeed as outraged as you claim and are an American citizen
or have boating friends that are American citizens then please, please
organize a mass effort to get out in November and overthrow the
current monarchy ruling the US with the power of your vote. The
boating community in the US is many times larger than the Cuban-
American community in Miami and we need to show it. These policies are
designed to get the south Florida vote and nothing else. If we unite
to drown out that voice, sanity and clear thinking can return to this
country. VOTE OUT THE BU**** IN NOVEMBER.


"Gabriel Latrémouille" wrote in message
e.rogers.com...
Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World
Magazine.

I am speechless, astounded, stunted, amazed, ****ed-off... the
arrogance,
the gall, the pretensions, the abuse of American citizens rights, the
abuse
of foreign sailors, the hidden agenda, ! ! ! ! !



BUSHWHACKED!!!!!!

GL

In article , "Doug Dotson" wrote:
So what has Cuba done to protet this action?

Doug
s/v Callista

Not sure what you're asking, Doug.

"Chuck Baier" wrote in message
. com...
If you are indeed as outraged as you claim and are an American citizen
or have boating friends that are American citizens then please, please
organize a mass effort to get out in November and overthrow the
current monarchy ruling the US with the power of your vote. The
boating community in the US is many times larger than the Cuban-
American community in Miami and we need to show it. These policies are
designed to get the south Florida vote and nothing else. If we unite
to drown out that voice, sanity and clear thinking can return to this
country. VOTE OUT THE BU**** IN NOVEMBER.


"Gabriel Latrémouille" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World
Magazine.

I am speechless, astounded, stunted, amazed, ****ed-off... the
arrogance,
the gall, the pretensions, the abuse of American citizens rights, the
abuse
of foreign sailors, the hidden agenda, ! ! ! ! !



BUSHWHACKED!!!!!!

GL

Clearly cruising to Cuba does much more to enhance their economy
than ours. If Cuba isn't raising a fuss about this new policy, then
why should I get my shorts in a wad over it. The only reason that
folks have cruised to Cuba since it has been allowed over the
past few years is to impress others (ie. "Look at me, I'm so brave
that I went to Cuba"). There are plenty of other places
to go that are nicer and alot less hassle. If Cuba wants our
tourism then let them say so and fight for it. Otherwise, screw them!

Doug
s/v Callista

"Paul Revere" wrote in message
news:aDBnc.23274$5a.1290@okepread03...
In article , "Doug Dotson"
wrote:
So what has Cuba done to protet this action?

Doug
s/v Callista

Not sure what you're asking, Doug.

"Chuck Baier" wrote in message
. com...
If you are indeed as outraged as you claim and are an American citizen
or have boating friends that are American citizens then please, please
organize a mass effort to get out in November and overthrow the
current monarchy ruling the US with the power of your vote. The
boating community in the US is many times larger than the Cuban-
American community in Miami and we need to show it. These policies are
designed to get the south Florida vote and nothing else. If we unite
to drown out that voice, sanity and clear thinking can return to this
country. VOTE OUT THE BU**** IN NOVEMBER.


"Gabriel Latrémouille" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising
World
Magazine.

I am speechless, astounded, stunted, amazed, ****ed-off... the
arrogance,
the gall, the pretensions, the abuse of American citizens rights, the
abuse
of foreign sailors, the hidden agenda, ! ! ! ! !



BUSHWHACKED!!!!!!

GL

Doug Dotson wrote:

... The only reason that
folks have cruised to Cuba since it has been allowed over the
past few years is to impress others (ie. "Look at me, I'm so brave
that I went to Cuba") ...

Are you quite certain about this? Manu folks I know who have cruised Cuba
(i.e., not merely jumped over to Marina Hemingway and jumped back to
Florida) are not at all ready to make a fuss about their trip, since they
are aware of the US position and of the lengths the US government will go to
in order to make examples of citizens who violate Treasury regulations.

In addition, the case can easily be made that Cuba is not at all like
other destinations available to East Coast sailors.

First and most obviously, it's a totalitarian state with all that implies.
You don't get to visit too many places like that in a small boat these days.

Second, the Cuban people are simply unlike other people in the hemisphere.
They have had a unique experience, both culturally and governmentally, and
learning about this (as much as possible) is itself definitely worthwhile.

Third, there are no crowds. There is still a "wild west" flavor to
anchoring in out-of-the-way harbors along the Cuban coast that just cannot
be described. This is definitely _not_ 450 boats anchored in George Town
Exuma for the morning VHF roll call.

Fourth, the interior is lush and dramatic, and varies from the harsh culture
of sugar cultivation in the east to the maternal farming methods of tobacco
in the west. There is a lot to see and learn along the way.

Fifth, if you like music, there are few places in the hemisphere to match
what's available in Cuba. An argument can be made that the best baseball
players, the best tobacco, and the best music originate in Cuba..

Sixth, getting a glimpse of the human side of the above issues is an
invaluable experience. It certainly gives one a different perspective on
the bountiful country we live in here in the US.

Other than these few items, I don't think we differ much in our opinions.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/

"Armond Perretta" wrote in message
...
Doug Dotson wrote:

... The only reason that
folks have cruised to Cuba since it has been allowed over the
past few years is to impress others (ie. "Look at me, I'm so brave
that I went to Cuba") ...

Are you quite certain about this? Manu folks I know who have cruised Cuba
(i.e., not merely jumped over to Marina Hemingway and jumped back to
Florida) are not at all ready to make a fuss about their trip, since they
are aware of the US position and of the lengths the US government will go
to
in order to make examples of citizens who violate Treasury regulations.

I guess I meant the one that fill the cruising mags with stories
of their adventures.

In addition, the case can easily be made that Cuba is not at all like
other destinations available to East Coast sailors.

True, so why would I want to go there?

First and most obviously, it's a totalitarian state with all that implies.
You don't get to visit too many places like that in a small boat these
days.

Doesn't sound like a very pleasant place to go if you ask me.

Second, the Cuban people are simply unlike other people in the hemisphere.
They have had a unique experience, both culturally and governmentally, and
learning about this (as much as possible) is itself definitely worthwhile.

Possibly, but I don't have to cruise there to do that.

Third, there are no crowds. There is still a "wild west" flavor to
anchoring in out-of-the-way harbors along the Cuban coast that just cannot
be described. This is definitely _not_ 450 boats anchored in George Town
Exuma for the morning VHF roll call.

Not sure that cruising the wild-west is a fun thing. It's those arrows in my
back
that bother me.

Fourth, the interior is lush and dramatic, and varies from the harsh
culture
of sugar cultivation in the east to the maternal farming methods of
tobacco
in the west. There is a lot to see and learn along the way.

So is Costa Rica, Peurto Rico, and dozens of other places.

Fifth, if you like music, there are few places in the hemisphere to match
what's available in Cuba. An argument can be made that the best baseball
players, the best tobacco, and the best music originate in Cuba..

I still don't have to go there to appreciate.

Sixth, getting a glimpse of the human side of the above issues is an
invaluable experience. It certainly gives one a different perspective on
the bountiful country we live in here in the US.

Sure, I love vacations where I can emerse myself in other peoples
misery.

Other than these few items, I don't think we differ much in our opinions.

Agreed.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/

Doug Dotson wrote:

Doug, I scanned the article. Basically the proclamation by Bush says
that Homeland Security can sieze your boat and toss you and all the
people off of it (and maybe into the clink) ANYWHERE in America (meaning
if you're setting in Seattle or Chicago) if they "think" you "might" be
going to Cuba or "might have been" to Cuba. You don't actually have to
travel there. Oh yeah...this goes for ANY boat. Meaning if you're
from, say Mexico or any other nation in the world, and you're in an
American port Homeland Security can seize your boat.

--
Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next
week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to
explain why it didn't happen.
-- Winston Churchill

I know, I read it too.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Cardinal Bill" wrote in
message ...
Doug Dotson wrote:

Doug, I scanned the article. Basically the proclamation by Bush says
that Homeland Security can sieze your boat and toss you and all the
people off of it (and maybe into the clink) ANYWHERE in America (meaning
if you're setting in Seattle or Chicago) if they "think" you "might" be
going to Cuba or "might have been" to Cuba. You don't actually have to
travel there. Oh yeah...this goes for ANY boat. Meaning if you're
from, say Mexico or any other nation in the world, and you're in an
American port Homeland Security can seize your boat.

--
Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next
week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to
explain why it didn't happen.
-- Winston Churchill

"Cardinal Bill" wrote.....
Basically the proclamation by Bush says
that Homeland Security can sieze your boat and toss you and all the
people off of it (and maybe into the clink) ANYWHERE in America (meaning
if you're setting in Seattle or Chicago) if they "think" you "might" be
going to Cuba or "might have been" to Cuba. You don't actually have to
travel there. Oh yeah...this goes for ANY boat. Meaning if you're
from, say Mexico or any other nation in the world, and you're in an
American port Homeland Security can seize your boat.

Whoa! Just a damn minute here! What's that!!! Are you saying that
your US Homeland Security Force can seize my boat if I happen to go across
Lake Huron to an American Port, just because I have traveled to Cuba? I am
a Canadian who travels on a Canadian registered vessel. My government has
no restrictions on travel to Cuba. Were does it say this? Show me the law
that states this, please! This past February was my seventh trip to cruise
Cuba and it's waters. It is a great place to visit and the people are
wonderful.

James D. Carter, Port Captain, GLCC
"The Boat"
Bayfield
Canada

Doug Dotson wrote:
So what has Cuba done to protet this action?


No reason to. It just gives Castro more reasons to blame the US for his
problems. All Bush is trying to do is insure the Cuban vote in Florida.

As non ethnic Cuban sailors wanting to cruise Cuba, we have been at risk
for the last 3 years. What the actual effect of this new rule is to
reduce the amount CUBAN Americans can send down from about $750 mil/year
in half.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

While the original proposal released to the media touted the restriction
of Cuban Americans sending money to relatives in Cuba the actual policy
does not. The "official" amount of money transferred is about $1B but
considerably more than that leaves Miami via couriers through Mexico.
It does however add some pretty Draconian penalties for non-Cuban
Americans traveling there.



--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com