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Sailing schools in New York City area
I'm interested learning to sail, from the ground up, so to speak,
in the New York City vicinity. There appear to be three schools in the area: Manhattan Sailing School (www.sailmanhattan.com), Newport Sailing School (www.newportsail.com), and Offshore Sailing School (www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/nyharbor.htm and also www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/chelsea.htm). So far, I've taken the basic keelboat course twice (once each from two different schools), coastal cruising (just once, and joined the sailing club of one school for two seasons so far, now coming up on three. Lots of fun! But my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs. As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for. The basic keelboat course and club day sails were great, as far as they went. But the coastal cruising course was a joke as far as learning anything new was concerned -- just one long day sail. And now I'm not sure how, and with whom, to proceed. Any suggestions appreciated (I avoided publicly making any specific negative remarks about any specific school, and please feel free to email me if you want to do the same). Thanks for the help, -- John Forkosh ( ) |
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Sailing schools in New York City area
Steve Colgate's courses (Offshore Sailing School) used to be quite good. I
sent both my first and second wife to his schools, and they both became adequate sailors just from the course -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "John Forkosh" wrote in message ... I'm interested learning to sail, from the ground up, so to speak, in the New York City vicinity. There appear to be three schools in the area: Manhattan Sailing School (www.sailmanhattan.com), Newport Sailing School (www.newportsail.com), and Offshore Sailing School (www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/nyharbor.htm and also www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/chelsea.htm). So far, I've taken the basic keelboat course twice (once each from two different schools), coastal cruising (just once, and joined the sailing club of one school for two seasons so far, now coming up on three. Lots of fun! But my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs. As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for. The basic keelboat course and club day sails were great, as far as they went. But the coastal cruising course was a joke as far as learning anything new was concerned -- just one long day sail. And now I'm not sure how, and with whom, to proceed. Any suggestions appreciated (I avoided publicly making any specific negative remarks about any specific school, and please feel free to email me if you want to do the same). Thanks for the help, -- John Forkosh ( ) |
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Sailing schools in New York City area
Steve Colgate's courses (Offshore Sailing School) used to be quite good. I
sent both my first and second wife to his schools, and they both became adequate sailors just from the course -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "John Forkosh" wrote in message ... I'm interested learning to sail, from the ground up, so to speak, in the New York City vicinity. There appear to be three schools in the area: Manhattan Sailing School (www.sailmanhattan.com), Newport Sailing School (www.newportsail.com), and Offshore Sailing School (www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/nyharbor.htm and also www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/chelsea.htm). So far, I've taken the basic keelboat course twice (once each from two different schools), coastal cruising (just once, and joined the sailing club of one school for two seasons so far, now coming up on three. Lots of fun! But my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs. As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for. The basic keelboat course and club day sails were great, as far as they went. But the coastal cruising course was a joke as far as learning anything new was concerned -- just one long day sail. And now I'm not sure how, and with whom, to proceed. Any suggestions appreciated (I avoided publicly making any specific negative remarks about any specific school, and please feel free to email me if you want to do the same). Thanks for the help, -- John Forkosh ( ) |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:30:59 +0000 (UTC), John Forkosh
wrote: But my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs. As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for. ============================================= It's not quite clear to me what you mean by "real sailors", or exactly which skills you believe to be missing. A lot of serious sailors grew up in sailing families, went through junior sailing programs as children, and went on to do collegiate sailing, that sort of thing. You're not going to be able to duplicate that experience as an adult so just do whatever you can that gives you as much time on the water as possible, in different types of boats, and with people of different skill levels. Read books and magazines, go to seminars when available, try to find a crewing job on a racing boat (not as difficult as you might think), charter boats for day sails with friends, and seek out experienced people for your questions. Best of all, buy a small boat of your own, learn to maintain it, and take it out whenever you can. |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:30:59 +0000 (UTC), John Forkosh
wrote: But my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs. As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for. ============================================= It's not quite clear to me what you mean by "real sailors", or exactly which skills you believe to be missing. A lot of serious sailors grew up in sailing families, went through junior sailing programs as children, and went on to do collegiate sailing, that sort of thing. You're not going to be able to duplicate that experience as an adult so just do whatever you can that gives you as much time on the water as possible, in different types of boats, and with people of different skill levels. Read books and magazines, go to seminars when available, try to find a crewing job on a racing boat (not as difficult as you might think), charter boats for day sails with friends, and seek out experienced people for your questions. Best of all, buy a small boat of your own, learn to maintain it, and take it out whenever you can. |
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John Forkosh wrote:
I'm interested learning to sail, from the ground up, so to speak ... ... ... So far, I've taken the basic keelboat course twice (once each from two different schools), coastal cruising (just once, and joined the sailing club of one school for two seasons so far, now coming up on three ... ... my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs. As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for. The basic keelboat course and club day sails were great, as far as they went. But the coastal cruising course was a joke as far as learning anything new was concerned -- just one long day sail. And now I'm not sure how, and with whom, to proceed ... I took 2 Offshore courses with my wife decades ago and found them helpful, especially since we were separated during the process based on the tacit acknowledgement that having one spouse teach another is sometimes difficult. The rest of what I "know" came from publications and on-the-water experience. I don't really believe there's much else one can do in this regard. Like another person who responded to your post, I don't quite get what it is that you are having trouble with. If you want to learn about cruising, go cruising, either on your own or another person's boat. If you find, after several cruises of at least 2 weeks or so, that you still don't feel like a "real sailor" then that would be something else again. BTW not many of us here, including the many degenerates who have decades on the water, actually know what a "real sailor" is. However we can easily identify _sailors_ when we bump into them. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
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Sailing schools in New York City area
John Forkosh wrote:
I'm interested learning to sail, from the ground up, so to speak ... ... ... So far, I've taken the basic keelboat course twice (once each from two different schools), coastal cruising (just once, and joined the sailing club of one school for two seasons so far, now coming up on three ... ... my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs. As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for. The basic keelboat course and club day sails were great, as far as they went. But the coastal cruising course was a joke as far as learning anything new was concerned -- just one long day sail. And now I'm not sure how, and with whom, to proceed ... I took 2 Offshore courses with my wife decades ago and found them helpful, especially since we were separated during the process based on the tacit acknowledgement that having one spouse teach another is sometimes difficult. The rest of what I "know" came from publications and on-the-water experience. I don't really believe there's much else one can do in this regard. Like another person who responded to your post, I don't quite get what it is that you are having trouble with. If you want to learn about cruising, go cruising, either on your own or another person's boat. If you find, after several cruises of at least 2 weeks or so, that you still don't feel like a "real sailor" then that would be something else again. BTW not many of us here, including the many degenerates who have decades on the water, actually know what a "real sailor" is. However we can easily identify _sailors_ when we bump into them. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
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Sailing schools in New York City area
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:30:59 +0000 (UTC), John Forkosh
wrote: I'm interested learning to sail, from the ground up, so to speak, in the New York City vicinity. There appear to be three schools in the area: Manhattan Sailing School (www.sailmanhattan.com), Newport Sailing School (www.newportsail.com), and Offshore Sailing School (www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/nyharbor.htm and also www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/chelsea.htm). So far, I've taken the basic keelboat course twice (once each from two different schools), coastal cruising (just once, and joined the sailing club of one school for two seasons so far, now coming up on three. Lots of fun! But my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs. As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for. The basic keelboat course and club day sails were great, as far as they went. But the coastal cruising course was a joke as far as learning anything new was concerned -- just one long day sail. And now I'm not sure how, and with whom, to proceed. Any suggestions appreciated (I avoided publicly making any specific negative remarks about any specific school, and please feel free to email me if you want to do the same). Thanks for the help, I know that Newport SS has weekend overnight trips on a J36, or at least has for the last two seasons. Sometimes it leaves for longer trips. They also organize winter charters in the Caribbean where one could gain experience. I haven't done any of these myself. I know a couple that took the basic keelboat course there on the J24s, and seemed happy with it. I afterwards had them out on our boat and they had certainly learned the baics. Colgate's, the next school downstream, has a Hunter in the mid 30s that I see out quite a bit, but it might be just a daysail as you said. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a Capsizing under chute, and having the chute rise and fill without tangling, all while Mark and Sally are still behind you |
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