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John Forkosh April 21st 04 11:30 AM

Sailing schools in New York City area
 
I'm interested learning to sail, from the ground up, so to speak,
in the New York City vicinity. There appear to be three schools
in the area: Manhattan Sailing School (www.sailmanhattan.com),
Newport Sailing School (www.newportsail.com), and Offshore Sailing
School (www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/nyharbor.htm and also
www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/chelsea.htm).
So far, I've taken the basic keelboat course twice (once each
from two different schools), coastal cruising (just once:), and
joined the sailing club of one school for two seasons so far,
now coming up on three. Lots of fun!
But my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places
learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs.
As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors
from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for. The basic keelboat
course and club day sails were great, as far as they went. But the
coastal cruising course was a joke as far as learning anything new was
concerned -- just one long day sail. And now I'm not sure how, and
with whom, to proceed.
Any suggestions appreciated (I avoided publicly making any specific
negative remarks about any specific school, and please feel free to
email me if you want to do the same). Thanks for the help,
--
John Forkosh ( )

Dennis Gibbons April 21st 04 12:10 PM

Sailing schools in New York City area
 
Steve Colgate's courses (Offshore Sailing School) used to be quite good. I
sent both my first and second wife to his schools, and they both became
adequate sailors just from the course

--
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net
"John Forkosh" wrote in message
...
I'm interested learning to sail, from the ground up, so to speak,
in the New York City vicinity. There appear to be three schools
in the area: Manhattan Sailing School (www.sailmanhattan.com),
Newport Sailing School (www.newportsail.com), and Offshore Sailing
School (www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/nyharbor.htm and also
www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/chelsea.htm).
So far, I've taken the basic keelboat course twice (once each
from two different schools), coastal cruising (just once:), and
joined the sailing club of one school for two seasons so far,
now coming up on three. Lots of fun!
But my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places
learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs.
As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors
from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for. The basic keelboat
course and club day sails were great, as far as they went. But the
coastal cruising course was a joke as far as learning anything new was
concerned -- just one long day sail. And now I'm not sure how, and
with whom, to proceed.
Any suggestions appreciated (I avoided publicly making any specific
negative remarks about any specific school, and please feel free to
email me if you want to do the same). Thanks for the help,
--
John Forkosh ( )




Dennis Gibbons April 21st 04 12:10 PM

Sailing schools in New York City area
 
Steve Colgate's courses (Offshore Sailing School) used to be quite good. I
sent both my first and second wife to his schools, and they both became
adequate sailors just from the course

--
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net
"John Forkosh" wrote in message
...
I'm interested learning to sail, from the ground up, so to speak,
in the New York City vicinity. There appear to be three schools
in the area: Manhattan Sailing School (www.sailmanhattan.com),
Newport Sailing School (www.newportsail.com), and Offshore Sailing
School (www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/nyharbor.htm and also
www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/chelsea.htm).
So far, I've taken the basic keelboat course twice (once each
from two different schools), coastal cruising (just once:), and
joined the sailing club of one school for two seasons so far,
now coming up on three. Lots of fun!
But my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places
learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs.
As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors
from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for. The basic keelboat
course and club day sails were great, as far as they went. But the
coastal cruising course was a joke as far as learning anything new was
concerned -- just one long day sail. And now I'm not sure how, and
with whom, to proceed.
Any suggestions appreciated (I avoided publicly making any specific
negative remarks about any specific school, and please feel free to
email me if you want to do the same). Thanks for the help,
--
John Forkosh ( )




Wayne.B April 21st 04 12:55 PM

Sailing schools in New York City area
 
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:30:59 +0000 (UTC), John Forkosh
wrote:
But my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places
learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs.
As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors
from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for.


=============================================

It's not quite clear to me what you mean by "real sailors", or exactly
which skills you believe to be missing. A lot of serious sailors grew
up in sailing families, went through junior sailing programs as
children, and went on to do collegiate sailing, that sort of thing.
You're not going to be able to duplicate that experience as an adult
so just do whatever you can that gives you as much time on the water
as possible, in different types of boats, and with people of different
skill levels. Read books and magazines, go to seminars when
available, try to find a crewing job on a racing boat (not as
difficult as you might think), charter boats for day sails with
friends, and seek out experienced people for your questions. Best of
all, buy a small boat of your own, learn to maintain it, and take it
out whenever you can.


Wayne.B April 21st 04 12:55 PM

Sailing schools in New York City area
 
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:30:59 +0000 (UTC), John Forkosh
wrote:
But my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places
learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs.
As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors
from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for.


=============================================

It's not quite clear to me what you mean by "real sailors", or exactly
which skills you believe to be missing. A lot of serious sailors grew
up in sailing families, went through junior sailing programs as
children, and went on to do collegiate sailing, that sort of thing.
You're not going to be able to duplicate that experience as an adult
so just do whatever you can that gives you as much time on the water
as possible, in different types of boats, and with people of different
skill levels. Read books and magazines, go to seminars when
available, try to find a crewing job on a racing boat (not as
difficult as you might think), charter boats for day sails with
friends, and seek out experienced people for your questions. Best of
all, buy a small boat of your own, learn to maintain it, and take it
out whenever you can.


Gogarty April 21st 04 04:26 PM

Sailing schools in New York City area
 
In article ,
says...


Steve Colgate's courses (Offshore Sailing School) used to be quite good. I
sent both my first and second wife to his schools, and they both became
adequate sailors just from the course

Late first wife learned to sail with her mother's milk. Second (present) wife
had never been in a sailboat when we bought one. She thought is was the
greatest thing since... So long as it was on dry land. Then we launched and
she discovered sailbaots travel on thier sides. She spent a miserable season
hiding out below and sleeping as much as possible. So next season I sent her
to Colgate's Offshore Sailing School, which was then located at City Island,
New York. She took her course in a Soling in late April when the weather was
simply horrible. She learned very well and has become a very good sailor,
though she did pick up some bad habits, like coiling and wrapping every loose
piece of rope she can find. The Demon Riope-Wrapper. The most importanhing
she learned was that I knew what I was doing since the instrructors told and
taught her the same things. She now enjoys sailing, a lot. When we moved to a
bigger boat we took Offshore's cruising boat course (both of us) and I
learned a few things too despite sailing foer more than fifty years.

I would certainly recommend Offshore, now based in New Jersey. I am sure the
others are just as good.


Gogarty April 21st 04 04:26 PM

Sailing schools in New York City area
 
In article ,
says...


Steve Colgate's courses (Offshore Sailing School) used to be quite good. I
sent both my first and second wife to his schools, and they both became
adequate sailors just from the course

Late first wife learned to sail with her mother's milk. Second (present) wife
had never been in a sailboat when we bought one. She thought is was the
greatest thing since... So long as it was on dry land. Then we launched and
she discovered sailbaots travel on thier sides. She spent a miserable season
hiding out below and sleeping as much as possible. So next season I sent her
to Colgate's Offshore Sailing School, which was then located at City Island,
New York. She took her course in a Soling in late April when the weather was
simply horrible. She learned very well and has become a very good sailor,
though she did pick up some bad habits, like coiling and wrapping every loose
piece of rope she can find. The Demon Riope-Wrapper. The most importanhing
she learned was that I knew what I was doing since the instrructors told and
taught her the same things. She now enjoys sailing, a lot. When we moved to a
bigger boat we took Offshore's cruising boat course (both of us) and I
learned a few things too despite sailing foer more than fifty years.

I would certainly recommend Offshore, now based in New Jersey. I am sure the
others are just as good.


Armond Perretta April 21st 04 10:14 PM

Sailing schools in New York City area
 
John Forkosh wrote:
I'm interested learning to sail, from the ground up, so to speak ...
...
... So far, I've taken the basic keelboat course twice (once each
from two different schools), coastal cruising (just once:), and
joined the sailing club of one school for two seasons so far,
now coming up on three ...
... my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these
places learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and
joined the clubs. As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems
to teach real sailors from the ground up, which is what I'm looking
for. The basic keelboat course and club day sails were great, as
far as they went. But the coastal cruising course was a joke as
far as learning anything new was concerned -- just one long day
sail. And now I'm not sure how, and with whom, to proceed ...


I took 2 Offshore courses with my wife decades ago and found them helpful,
especially since we were separated during the process based on the tacit
acknowledgement that having one spouse teach another is sometimes
difficult. The rest of what I "know" came from publications and
on-the-water experience. I don't really believe there's much else one can
do in this regard.

Like another person who responded to your post, I don't quite get what it is
that you are having trouble with. If you want to learn about cruising, go
cruising, either on your own or another person's boat. If you find, after
several cruises of at least 2 weeks or so, that you still don't feel like a
"real sailor" then that would be something else again.

BTW not many of us here, including the many degenerates who have decades on
the water, actually know what a "real sailor" is. However we can easily
identify _sailors_ when we bump into them.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/






Armond Perretta April 21st 04 10:14 PM

Sailing schools in New York City area
 
John Forkosh wrote:
I'm interested learning to sail, from the ground up, so to speak ...
...
... So far, I've taken the basic keelboat course twice (once each
from two different schools), coastal cruising (just once:), and
joined the sailing club of one school for two seasons so far,
now coming up on three ...
... my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these
places learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and
joined the clubs. As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems
to teach real sailors from the ground up, which is what I'm looking
for. The basic keelboat course and club day sails were great, as
far as they went. But the coastal cruising course was a joke as
far as learning anything new was concerned -- just one long day
sail. And now I'm not sure how, and with whom, to proceed ...


I took 2 Offshore courses with my wife decades ago and found them helpful,
especially since we were separated during the process based on the tacit
acknowledgement that having one spouse teach another is sometimes
difficult. The rest of what I "know" came from publications and
on-the-water experience. I don't really believe there's much else one can
do in this regard.

Like another person who responded to your post, I don't quite get what it is
that you are having trouble with. If you want to learn about cruising, go
cruising, either on your own or another person's boat. If you find, after
several cruises of at least 2 weeks or so, that you still don't feel like a
"real sailor" then that would be something else again.

BTW not many of us here, including the many degenerates who have decades on
the water, actually know what a "real sailor" is. However we can easily
identify _sailors_ when we bump into them.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/






Rodney Myrvaagnes April 22nd 04 04:46 AM

Sailing schools in New York City area
 
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:30:59 +0000 (UTC), John Forkosh
wrote:

I'm interested learning to sail, from the ground up, so to speak,
in the New York City vicinity. There appear to be three schools
in the area: Manhattan Sailing School (www.sailmanhattan.com),
Newport Sailing School (www.newportsail.com), and Offshore Sailing
School (www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/nyharbor.htm and also
www.offshore-sailing.com/locations/chelsea.htm).
So far, I've taken the basic keelboat course twice (once each
from two different schools), coastal cruising (just once:), and
joined the sailing club of one school for two seasons so far,
now coming up on three. Lots of fun!
But my observation was that the "real sailors" at all these places
learned to sail elsewheres, then moved to New York and joined the clubs.
As far as I can tell, none of these schools seems to teach real sailors
from the ground up, which is what I'm looking for. The basic keelboat
course and club day sails were great, as far as they went. But the
coastal cruising course was a joke as far as learning anything new was
concerned -- just one long day sail. And now I'm not sure how, and
with whom, to proceed.
Any suggestions appreciated (I avoided publicly making any specific
negative remarks about any specific school, and please feel free to
email me if you want to do the same). Thanks for the help,


I know that Newport SS has weekend overnight trips on a J36, or at
least has for the last two seasons. Sometimes it leaves for longer
trips. They also organize winter charters in the Caribbean where one
could gain experience.

I haven't done any of these myself. I know a couple that took the
basic keelboat course there on the J24s, and seemed happy with it. I
afterwards had them out on our boat and they had certainly learned the
baics.

Colgate's, the next school downstream, has a Hunter in the mid 30s
that I see out quite a bit, but it might be just a daysail as you
said.

Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


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