On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:34:15 -0400 in
, "Paul E. Lehmann"
wrote:

Bill Kearney wrote:

Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate. I will, however,
vote for the person that I believe will be the better of the two (note
that this isn't a "lesser of two evils" argument):

Because he has no experience,

And George W. Bush's experience was???

Um, running a bunch of businesses into the ground then being governor in
a state that has a constitution that makes the position weak to the point
it's almost a figure head (I live in Texas, it's true, governor is a weak
position under the old 1876 constitution).



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Bill Kearney wrote:
Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate. I will, however,
vote for the person that I believe will be the better of the two (note
that this isn't a "lesser of two evils" argument):

Because he has no experience,

Err, neither candidate has presidential experience? You know, the only
one who can claim to have experience in being president is:

An incumbent president running for a second term.

has never authored and passed legislation

Um, what? Would you like a list of legislation authored and passed by
Obama?

and will turn to entrenched democrat political machinery (of the
despicable Chicago kind) for all his work?

Do you have a citation for that wild claim?

That's a recipe for disaster. But you're too blind to see the big
picture. The country, and likely the world, will be worse off for your
myopia.

And we're better off with the Bush/McCain policies?



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Err, neither candidate has presidential experience? You know, the only
one who can claim to have experience in being president is:

No experience authoring legislation and getting it passed. None. To say
nothing of never having managed even a SMALL enterprise.

And we're better off with the Bush/McCain policies?

McCain isn't Bush, lies by Obama otherwise.

On 2008-11-01 19:14:07 -0400, DanielSan said:

Um, what? Would you like a list of legislation authored and passed by Obama?

Oh, I would like to see a list of *any* authored by him.

For good or ill, there is the quite prominent McCain-Feingold act.

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However, there's a difference in this election. The money that Obama is
getting is NOT his own. It's from contributors. A lot of contributors.
He is not using DNC money. Whereas, McCain is using a lot of money
from the RNC.

Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate.

Look again! A lot of Baracks money is in the form of prepaid credit
cards which are untraceable! I wonder why.
Gordon

Gordon wrote:

However, there's a difference in this election. The money that Obama
is getting is NOT his own. It's from contributors. A lot of
contributors. He is not using DNC money. Whereas, McCain is using a
lot of money from the RNC.

Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate.

Look again! A lot of Baracks money is in the form of prepaid credit
cards which are untraceable! I wonder why.

I have a prepaid credit card. It's convenient.

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On Nov 1, 9:06*pm, Gordon wrote:
However, there's a difference in this election. *The money that Obama is
getting is NOT his own. *It's from contributors. *A lot of contributors.
* He is not using DNC money. *Whereas, McCain is using a lot of money
from the RNC.

Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate. *

* * Look again! A lot of Baracks money is in the form of prepaid credit
cards which are untraceable! I wonder why.
* Gordon

cause folks like me send them to him. what you cant figure out that
making a donation via check or money order is stupid the cred card is
easy you just put the money on it and send it in then you send the
activation code. also some homeland security ****** cant follow it
home. drives you new age republicans crazy.

Steve, we are the only free, industrialized country without universal
health care. Countries with less wealth that the US can provide their
citizens with proper care and so should the US. There is way too much
waste in government. Illegal wars, like Iraq which costing something
like ten billion a month, and that's estimated to cost trillions
before we're done are just a few things that are using Americans hard
earned tax dollars unwisely and immorally.

Americans pay over 40% of their hard earned money in various obvious
and hidden taxes and yet get less back in goods and services than any
other modern, free, industrialized country in the world.

It's time for true change - a vert smart, calm, non divisive,
respected man who can bring this country together, bring America back
to the good reputation she once held world wide and end this illegal
and immoral war in Iraq.

In the past 8 years the percentage of wealth in the hands of the
wealthy has skyrocketed and the percentage of income (buying power),
in the average person has dropped greatly.

It's said a country gets the leaders it deserves based on the level of
consciousness of its citizens. I hope enough Americans have grown
spiritually, emotionally and intellectually, to elect a person who has
their best interest and the world's at heart - Obama.


Regards,
June

June,
I do not dispute your observations, but they are too superficial and
incomplete. First there are no successful government supplied health
systems....anywhere. They are all bankrupt and unaffordable. Secondly, you
may shop at K Mart, but you would not do that for your health. The free
health care these systems offer are less than adequate. The treatments
offered are subject to cost and limited to only those approved by the
government. Do you think it is OK to limit procedures based on age? It
happens. Of course there should be universal health care, but it must be
based on affordability, efficiency and offered quality. The plans offered
are not even close. They are in fact, pie in the sky. Change is great. We
certainly need it, but only if it adds value.

Please ask yourself why we pay such a high rate of tax. Are you aware of the
percentage of our taxes that are used just for the maintenance of our
federal debt? How about state, county or city debt? This debt has been
created by selfish, irresponsible lawmakers we voted in. Look at your own
debt. Consider the cost of interest you are paying for your mortgage, your
car and your credit cards. What percentage of your income do you pay for
debt maintenance? Both the American Government and the American population
have been and still is, living beyond their means. Please address that
problem.

Before you criticize the war efforts and their cost, please realize the cost
of losing our financial stability by attacks on our financial system or our
currency. Our national strength and in fact, our entire way of life is at
stake. You cannot see these problems because our media is restricting this
critical information by exclusion. You live in the States and are oblivious
to this. I live in Europe at the moment and in Asia before this. I get to
see the difference, you don't. Please notice that I have not asked you to
vote either way, that is your business. Neither candidate can fix this. It
may not be fixable. This problem will only get worse with time. Each one of
us must change the way we do business and force common sense onto our
leadership by voting for common sense and fiscal responsibility, not free
lunch. This is not a time to let emotion override logic.
Steve

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:59:33 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote in alt.atheism:

June,
I do not dispute your observations, but they are too superficial and
incomplete. First there are no successful government supplied health
systems....anywhere.

You are flat out wrong not only do they work throughout the world but
they even work in the USA. Until the Bush Administration, intent on
proving that government cannot work by destroying the institutions that
did work, gutted the VA and military health systems, they were superior
to most other hospitals in the United States. I have no idea if your
claim came from ignorance or politically motivated dishonesty, though
the rest of your post implies that dishonesty was at work.

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