My claim comes from 25 years of personal experience. I have lived and worked
all over Europe and I am telling you public health IS a failure everywhere.
Your opinion is based on what? Perhaps books, magazines, TV or was it some
idealist talking trash. Please note my previous comment about the American
biased media. You are being sucked in. Come over here and experiece the
failure yourself. Pay the 55% tax, experience the waiting lines or the
denial of treatment or a drug, because it isn't approved. Watch your
neighbor suffer for a year or more because there is no room in your
designated hospital or die because the appropriate treatment is too
expensive for a person of age. Public health is not the solution for
universal health. This lesson has been learned.
Steve

"Free Lunch" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:59:33 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote in alt.atheism:

June,
I do not dispute your observations, but they are too superficial and
incomplete. First there are no successful government supplied health
systems....anywhere.

You are flat out wrong not only do they work throughout the world but
they even work in the USA. Until the Bush Administration, intent on
proving that government cannot work by destroying the institutions that
did work, gutted the VA and military health systems, they were superior
to most other hospitals in the United States. I have no idea if your
claim came from ignorance or politically motivated dishonesty, though
the rest of your post implies that dishonesty was at work.

...

Larry wrote:

"Paul E. Lehmann" wrote
in

:

The progressive tax
system has been the law of the land for a LONG
time now. Get over it.


I'll bite. What's the Title/Code reference or
name of the US LAW that says I have to pay
Income Tax on my wages?

Teddy Roosevelt was one of McCain's heros.
He was responsible for enacting the progressive
income tax.

Here is a clue.
Tell the IRS you refuse to pay your taxes and see
what happens :-)

It is is not the law of the land they can not and
will not touch you.

But - here is a further clue. They will put a lien
on your house and all your property.

What is ONE crime that is used to go after mafia
king pins.

Here is a further clue:
Failure to declare and pay income tax.

Good luck, chump.


Cite SPECIFIC LAW, not the bogus IRS code.

Go ahead, we'll wait.............(sound of
crickets chirping)

There is NO LAW that requires you to pay INCOME
TAX, an UNAPPORTIONED, Unconstitutional tax on
labor.

You need to sit and watch Aaron Russo's "America
- Freedom to Fascism" for free on YouTube....all
13 parts of it.

That's a recipe for disaster. But you're too blind to see the big
picture. The country, and likely the world, will be worse off for your
myopia.

Lincoln had no experience either. We all know how that turned out.

The scale of gov't at the time hardly conflates. Certainly not enough to
even come close.

Frankly, the fact that Obama has run one of the most exceptionally
successful campaigns in history while McCain's campaign has floundered
miserably, says more about Obama's ability to lead the US than anything
else.

Lying to the public to get elected, sadly, has no bearing on ability to
govern.

Zoot wrote:


"June" wrote in message

...
You show amazing ignorance. Maybe you ought to
research Obamas education, his honors at
Harvard (1st Afro American to be appointed head
of Harvard Law Review), his opting to not take
all the big money jobs offered and decided for
a career in service. He even taught
constitutional law for a few years. 12 years in
the Illinois legislature and a couple years as
a US senatory. The man has character and
intelligence. Things lacking in his opponent.
Think on this:

His intelligence and education do NOT make him
qualified to be president.

Gosh, do you want another Bush? He and a LOT of
his fellow Republicans take GREAT PRIDE in their
IGNORANCE and poor college grades.

Even with all his deferments, I don't think Dick
Cheney even graduated from college, did he?

And then there is John McCain who somehow BARELY
escaped graduating at the very BOTTOM of his
class at the Navy Academy. He was even worse as
a pilot and did not take flying and learning his
aircraft seriously. I guess that makes him VERY
qualified in your book. Hardy har har har :-)

Oh, I see now. Obama does not have "Executive
Experience" -- like, ah well let me see, one
George W. Bush. Let me see, how many companies
did he run into the ground as CEO - and - he does
have "presidential experience". Gosh, I guess
you must think he is most qualified to continue
in office. Maybe he should push for a
constitutional amendment to give him a third
term. Wait - the next best thing - a McCain
presidency - Hardy har har har.

Electing someone
solely because they look good, sound good, smell
good,

Tell it to Ronald Reagan.

and is one of the intelluctual elite is a
recipe for disastor. Hitler looked good, sounded
good, smelled good, and look what he did?

Err, neither candidate has presidential experience? You know, the only
one who can claim to have experience in being president is:

No experience authoring legislation and getting it passed. None. To say
nothing of never having managed even a SMALL enterprise.

And we're better off with the Bush/McCain policies?

McCain isn't Bush, lies by Obama otherwise.

the VA and military health systems, they were superior
to most other hospitals in the United States.

You've apparently never been in a VA hospital.

What has he done?

You mean Obama? Besides talk himself up? Nothing!

He even taught
constitutional law for a few years.

Hmmm., those who can't do... teach.

I would think that convincing people to vote for you has next to nothing
to do with being qualified to be president.

Exactly. Sadly the hangover these Obama lovers are going to wake up with
would cause us all pain.

Bill Kearney wrote:

Err, neither candidate has presidential experience? You know, the only
one who can claim to have experience in being president is:

No experience authoring legislation and getting it passed. None.

O RLY? Want me to list all the legislation that he authored and passed?


To
say nothing of never having managed even a SMALL enterprise.

The United States is an enterprise?


And we're better off with the Bush/McCain policies?

McCain isn't Bush, lies by Obama otherwise.


--
************************************************** ****
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
************************************************** ****