On 2008-11-02 10:15:00 -0500, Douglas Berry
said:

John Cleese was on Countdown the other night, and he said that he
didn't want a President he could have a beer with, he wanted a
Pressident so brilliant, so well-informed, that Cleese would be afraid
to open his mouth for fear of showing what an idiot he is.

Watch it yourself, seeing John Cleese doubled over in laughter is
great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUnGfYvXMwg

Olbermann may have given the most truthful assessment: that his salary
is paid by the manufactured controversy.

There is hardly a whit of difference between the two RepubliCrat candidates.

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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:17:32 +0000 Larry carved the
following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
"Paul E. Lehmann" wrote in
:

The progressive tax
system has been the law of the land for a LONG
time now. Get over it.

I'll bite. What's the Title/Code reference or name of the US LAW that says
I have to pay Income Tax on my wages?

Cite SPECIFIC LAW, not the bogus IRS code.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/

Title 26 contains the tax code. Amazingly enough, the very first
section of the Title covers individiual income tax.

Douglas, Larry thinks that Title 26 *IS* the "bogus IRS code"... even
though Title 26 is part of the "United States Code"...

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On 2008-11-02 10:13:54 -0500, Jangchub said:

On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:09:00 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:


Oh, I would like to see a list of *any* authored by him.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...sage509824/pg1

http://you.presscue.com/node/442

http://www.cafemom.com/journals/read..._United_States

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...010303303.html

How

many more would you like?

Well, some substantial ones that didn't get read twice and out. What
you posted above demonstrates that he wasted a lot of time with fluff
-- as did Hillary.

Victoria

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know."

Donald Rumsfeld

I wonder why you use this tag, as I don't *think* you're
pro-Republican, but that is a pretty much a truism.

The path to wisdom starts with knowing that you don't know.

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Hey Tom!
It's not about the man, his education or his experience.....It's about the
issues,his honestyand his position.
Steve

"Tom" wrote in message
...
On Nov 2, 9:53 am, "Bill Kearney" wrote:
Ah yes, the specious 'racist' argument. Anyone daring to criticize their
almighty Obama must be a racist.

Hardly. I'm just not interested in seeing someone with so few creditials
suitable for the job be elected to it. That his ass happens to be black
has
nothing to do with it. Shame on you for trying to insinuate otherwise.
Who's the closest racist here, you, more likely.

"Tom" wrote in message

...
On Nov 1, 8:47 pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:

He even taught
constitutional law for a few years.

Hmmm., those who can't do... teach.

Being a law school professor is hardly something to be ashamed of, let
alone discounted and ridiculed.

He could've practiced law, but then you'd complain about him being a
lawyer.

No matter what he has accomplished in life, you will never give him
credit for them.

Are you a racist or just unwilling to acknowledge one achievements?

Tom



I didn't insinuate anything. I asked a question.

Feel free to ask any of the black people I work with if I'm a racist.
I'll be happy to provide contact info via e-mail.

Your refusal to acknowledge his accomplishments make you look like a
doofus. You don't have to agree with him, but you can't logically
dismiss his educational or scholarly achievements.

Tom

On Nov 2, 1:21*pm, "Steve Lusardi" wrote:
Hey Tom!
It's not about the man, his education or his experience.....It's about the
issues,his honestyand his position.
Steve

"Tom" wrote in message

...
On Nov 2, 9:53 am, "Bill Kearney" wrote:



Ah yes, the specious 'racist' argument. Anyone daring to criticize their
almighty Obama must be a racist.

Hardly. I'm just not interested in seeing someone with so few creditials
suitable for the job be elected to it. That his ass happens to be black
has
nothing to do with it. Shame on you for trying to insinuate otherwise.
Who's the closest racist here, you, more likely.

"Tom" wrote in message

....
On Nov 1, 8:47 pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:

He even taught
constitutional law for a few years.

Hmmm., those who can't do... teach.

Being a law school professor is hardly something to be ashamed of, let
alone discounted and ridiculed.

He could've practiced law, but then you'd complain about him being a
lawyer.

No matter what he has accomplished in life, you will never give him
credit for them.

Are you a racist or just unwilling to acknowledge one achievements?

Tom

I didn't insinuate anything. I asked a question.

Feel free to ask any of the black people I work with if I'm a racist.
I'll be happy to provide contact info via e-mail.

Your refusal to acknowledge his accomplishments make you look like a
doofus. You don't have to agree with him, but you can't logically
dismiss his educational or scholarly achievements.

Tom

Isn't honesty about the man... about character?

I have neither read nor heard anything credible to call into question
his character. I doubt many of the posters here can make a claim to
public service or human service as long as Obama's.

I notice you still haven't acknowleged his academic accomplishments.

Tom

Larry,

The 16th Amendment was ratified in 1913 and became law. That it was
ratified was certified by Knox, the Secretary of State. Whether you believe
that or not is immaterial to me. I answered your question by citing the
appropriate laws. You sound like a "tax loony".

Dave M.

"Steve Lusardi" skrev i melding
...
My claim comes from 25 years of personal experience. I have lived and
worked all over Europe and I am telling you public health IS a failure
everywhere. Your opinion is based on what? Perhaps books, magazines, TV or
was it some idealist talking trash. Please note my previous comment about
the American biased media. You are being sucked in. Come over here and
experiece the failure yourself. Pay the 55% tax, experience the waiting
lines or the denial of treatment or a drug, because it isn't approved.
Watch your neighbor suffer for a year or more because there is no room in
your designated hospital or die because the appropriate treatment is too
expensive for a person of age. Public health is not the solution for
universal health. This lesson has been learned.
Steve


I suggest that you never lived in Europe, or that your memory is failing
you.
I live in Norway, my annual income is around $ 100 000.
The tax I pay is around 30%, this is including health insurance and pension.
If I visit my doctor I pay a small fee, as I also do for medicine,
but expences exciding $200 a year are free. Hospital is free, you may have
to wait a few weeks depending on your illness. My mother who is
85 waited 4 weeks for a hip operation, which of course war free, as was 4
weeks in a nursing home after the operation.
When I retire I will get a pension of £35 000 per year, not so much, but as
we have progessiv taxasion the tax will be low.
Of course if you want additional and privat insurance or pension that is up
to you.
I think we are in line with most European countries, I have not heard
anything near to your story. Even former Eastern Europe had a good and free
health care.
And as this also is a cruising NG that I follow, I will mention that i have
a sailboat, Kelt 850.
Jan

On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:00:49 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-11-02 10:15:00 -0500, Douglas Berry
said:

John Cleese was on Countdown the other night, and he said that he
didn't want a President he could have a beer with, he wanted a
Pressident so brilliant, so well-informed, that Cleese would be afraid
to open his mouth for fear of showing what an idiot he is.

Watch it yourself, seeing John Cleese doubled over in laughter is
great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUnGfYvXMwg

Olbermann may have given the most truthful assessment: that his salary
is paid by the manufactured controversy.

There is hardly a whit of difference between the two RepubliCrat candidates.

If you know anything about econcomics you would not say that.

Under one, we have a chance to get out of this credit disaster, under
the other - not a prayer. Kiss your job goodby.

"David L. Martel" wrote in
:

Larry,

The 16th Amendment was ratified in 1913 and became law. That it was
ratified was certified by Knox, the Secretary of State. Whether you
believe that or not is immaterial to me. I answered your question by
citing the appropriate laws. You sound like a "tax loony".

Dave M.




So, just like in the book "1984", if a bureaucrat says it's so, even if
it's full of holes, it's so, is that it? Knox KNEW the states had
modified the act in a whole range of states, but ignored them and said
it was so, anyways certifying, falsely of course, the original document
the bankers wanted to fund the debt repayment....

I suppose you are correct. It's still being done, even today, as with
the Florida recount Bush wanted stopped and got his Supreme Court
cronies to certify, putting a halt to an embarrassing political antic of
his brother.

I see. So, what's the sense of voting on anything? We just let the
ruling cults and elitists run everything, just like Orwell's "1984",
rewriting history with a pack of lies to make what the elite want as the
truth, the truth, even when it's not.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery

Arbeit Macht Frei - Work brings freedom
http://www.travelblog.org/Photos/461096.html

We are simply doomed to repeat it, over and over again.

sign me,
"Tax Loony"

"Jan" wrote in
:

I suggest that you never lived in Europe, or that your memory is
failing you.
I live in Norway, my annual income is around $ 100 000.
The tax I pay is around 30%, this is including health insurance and
pension. If I visit my doctor I pay a small fee, as I also do for
medicine, but expences exciding $200 a year are free. Hospital is
free, you may have to wait a few weeks depending on your illness. My
mother who is 85 waited 4 weeks for a hip operation, which of course
war free, as was 4 weeks in a nursing home after the operation.
When I retire I will get a pension of œ35 000 per year, not so much,
but as we have progessiv taxasion the tax will be low.
Of course if you want additional and privat insurance or pension that
is up to you.
I think we are in line with most European countries, I have not heard
anything near to your story. Even former Eastern Europe had a good and
free health care.
And as this also is a cruising NG that I follow, I will mention that i
have a sailboat, Kelt 850.
Jan




Jan, my apologies for the Americans' view of socialized medicine
expressed to you. They are under constant, heavy pressure by the
billionaire doctors' union, the American Medical Association, who has a
lot to lose if Americans ever get any kind of socialized medicine that
doesn't leave the poor bleeding in the streets. Many of the posters
here are those very rich American doctors sailing their new yachts as a
result of the American system of massive payments for the most mediocre
medical service, while the other major criminals in the medical
business, the insurance companies between the doctors' riches and the
victims' wallets skim off as much or maybe more than the doctors get...a
double taxation on the working class buying medical insurance. Medical
insurance companies do not become amazingly rich by paying doctor and
hospital bills of sick people. On the contrary, medical insurance
companies want nothing to do with any kind of medical risk patients,
only the medically fit that don't make large claims with the resources
to pay large insurance premiums for no service, thousands per month.
This medical burden also causes EMPLOYERS' to flee under the heavy load
of the American medical profession's love of wealth, the reason
everything that used to be made in America has now moved off to more
socialized countries of Asia and Europe where employers don't have to
pay outrageous medical insurance premiums to enrich the medical and
insurance classes.

Noone in America gives a **** about providing healthcare to the poor,
the unemployed, old retired people....unless they band together and
throw politicians into the street, of course.

You'll never convince any Americans who've never been the beneficiaries
of another country's socialist medical system, like the systems in
civilized European countries, that anything good comes out of them.
They've always been told otherwise by the Ministry of Propaganda known
as American News Media.

The concept of paying doctors bonuses to PREVENT diseases in the first
place is totally foreign to them. Doctors make money here by making
people SICK, heavily dosing them with recurrant drugs at exhorbitant
prices to keep them on the hook, so to speak, just like any drug dealer
on the street.

I have a saying, "Well people don't make payments on waterfront
property." Well people don't have to pay doctors, so are not the big
cash cow. SICK people make doctors billionaires. The country is loaded
up with hypocondriacs (sp??) who are just SO proud of their last $70,000
operation they can't wait to tell you all about it. My parents were two
of them. The day my father died, his pharmacist lost $8000/month in
prescription sales, alone. His doctor lost thousands, too. He was one
of the "science project" patients that keep paying and paying and
paying...for that waterfront mansion they live in and the new Mercedes
in their garages....

ON TOPIC - Not to mention their new Beneteau at the finest marina in the
city....(c;