In article ,
Ryk wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:20:45 GMT, in message

Bruce in alaska wrote:

Having been in the Radio Regulation Enforcement Biz for many
years, it never ceases to amaze me, what folks think, and say about, how
Maritime Mobile Radio is supposed to work, and why things are they way
they are.

In my neck of the woods (Eastern Lake Ontario) 16 remains the only
calling channel. (and Canadian marinas monitor 68)

I used to have a VHF station license for my boat, but dropped it when
the local requirement went away. Somebody recently suggested to me
that I would need a station license to legitimately operate my radio
(on a Canadian registered vessel) in US waters. I do have an
operator's license. Do I need more to be legit in the US?

Ryk

Yes, to legally operate your VHF Radio in US Waters you are REQUIRED
by International Convention (ITU International Telecommunication Union)
to have a current Radio Station License issued by the Country of your
FLAG.

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Bruce in alaska
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:12:41 GMT, in message

Bruce in alaska wrote:

In article ,
Ryk wrote:

I used to have a VHF station license for my boat, but dropped it when
the local requirement went away. Somebody recently suggested to me
that I would need a station license to legitimately operate my radio
(on a Canadian registered vessel) in US waters. I do have an
operator's license. Do I need more to be legit in the US?

Ryk

Yes, to legally operate your VHF Radio in US Waters you are REQUIRED
by International Convention (ITU International Telecommunication Union)
to have a current Radio Station License issued by the Country of your
FLAG.

Thanks Bruce!

Is it specific about a license, or is it about meeting requirements of
the FLAG? I know that when we race internationally the SIs refer to
meeting requirements in the country of origin for either licensed or
registered vessels on a lot of safety issues.

What are the likely consequences if I don't? (Assuming I am otherwise
in compliance and using my radio responsibly inside the Great Lakes
Basin.) Is it different if I go south down the ICW?

Ryk

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:05:14 -0400, Ryk
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:12:41 GMT, in message

Bruce in alaska wrote:

In article ,
Ryk wrote:

I used to have a VHF station license for my boat, but dropped it when
the local requirement went away. Somebody recently suggested to me
that I would need a station license to legitimately operate my radio
(on a Canadian registered vessel) in US waters. I do have an
operator's license. Do I need more to be legit in the US?

Ryk

Yes, to legally operate your VHF Radio in US Waters you are REQUIRED
by International Convention (ITU International Telecommunication Union)
to have a current Radio Station License issued by the Country of your
FLAG.

Thanks Bruce!

Is it specific about a license, or is it about meeting requirements of
the FLAG? I know that when we race internationally the SIs refer to
meeting requirements in the country of origin for either licensed or
registered vessels on a lot of safety issues.

What are the likely consequences if I don't? (Assuming I am otherwise
in compliance and using my radio responsibly inside the Great Lakes
Basin.) Is it different if I go south down the ICW?

Ryk


Almost all Canadian vessels are exempt from having a station license
provided they remain in Canadian waters, or outside Canada and outside
the territory of another country.

So, Yes, if you take your Canadian boat into US waters, you require a
Canadian Ship Station License, in addition to the Radio Operator
Certificate. Similarly, a US vessel in Canadian waters requires a US
Ship Station License.

I understand that a few years ago, some Canadian vessels on the Great
Lakes got into Serious Legal Problems when they ventured into US
waters without a station license.


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:46:07 -0700, in message
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Peter Bennett wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:05:14 -0400, Ryk
wrote:

What are the likely consequences if I don't?

So, Yes, if you take your Canadian boat into US waters, you require a
Canadian Ship Station License, in addition to the Radio Operator
Certificate. Similarly, a US vessel in Canadian waters requires a US
Ship Station License.

I understand that a few years ago, some Canadian vessels on the Great
Lakes got into Serious Legal Problems when they ventured into US
waters without a station license.

What were the SLPs? Would I be better off not transmitting in US
waters? Or are you thinking of the incidents in the Detroit River?

Ryk

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:44:04 -0400, Ryk
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:46:07 -0700, in message
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Peter Bennett wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:05:14 -0400, Ryk
wrote:

What are the likely consequences if I don't?

So, Yes, if you take your Canadian boat into US waters, you require a
Canadian Ship Station License, in addition to the Radio Operator
Certificate. Similarly, a US vessel in Canadian waters requires a US
Ship Station License.

I understand that a few years ago, some Canadian vessels on the Great
Lakes got into Serious Legal Problems when they ventured into US
waters without a station license.

What were the SLPs? Would I be better off not transmitting in US
waters? Or are you thinking of the incidents in the Detroit River?

Ryk

I don't recall the details, but I believe the occupants of the vessels
involved were arrested or detained.

You do require a station license if you will be travelling in US
waters and your vessel is equipped with a Marine radio. There is a
statement regarding this from Industry Canada at
http://www.cps-ecp.ca/public.asp?WCE=C=47|K=224768


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:19:48 -0700, in message
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Peter Bennett wrote:

I don't recall the details, but I believe the occupants of the vessels
involved were arrested or detained.

You do require a station license if you will be travelling in US
waters and your vessel is equipped with a Marine radio. There is a
statement regarding this from Industry Canada at
http://www.cps-ecp.ca/public.asp?WCE=C=47|K=224768

Thanks Peter. I am surprised to hear of anybody being arrested or
detained for properly operating a VHF without a station license. At
least in the US and Canada. Do you have a cite?

The IC link is actually an undated CPS news item that talks about 9/11
as recent, so I don't know if it is current. Are there any current
references to US/Canada VHF rules in the Great Lakes?

Ryk

In article ,
Ryk wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:12:41 GMT, in message

Bruce in alaska wrote:

In article ,
Ryk wrote:

I used to have a VHF station license for my boat, but dropped it when
the local requirement went away. Somebody recently suggested to me
that I would need a station license to legitimately operate my radio
(on a Canadian registered vessel) in US waters. I do have an
operator's license. Do I need more to be legit in the US?

Ryk

Yes, to legally operate your VHF Radio in US Waters you are REQUIRED
by International Convention (ITU International Telecommunication Union)
to have a current Radio Station License issued by the Country of your
FLAG.

Thanks Bruce!

Is it specific about a license, or is it about meeting requirements of
the FLAG? I know that when we race internationally the SIs refer to
meeting requirements in the country of origin for either licensed or
registered vessels on a lot of safety issues.

What are the likely consequences if I don't? (Assuming I am otherwise
in compliance and using my radio responsibly inside the Great Lakes
Basin.) Is it different if I go south down the ICW?

Ryk

By International Convention, (ITU) each Country MUST supply it's Flagged
Vessels with a Maritime Radio Station License, if it actually does
license any Flagged Vessels under it's jurisdiction, if they make
International Voyages. ( Voyages outside the waters, of the Nation of
Flag) So Canada, if signatory to the ITU, (which it is) is required to
issue a Maritime Radio License to any, and ALL vessels that it registers,
that make voyages outside its Territorial Waters. There are some, Very
Limited, Exceptions, and these are usually done by Treaty, usually
by Adjacent Countries that share Common Waters, or adjacent
International Waters. See the Great Lakes Convention Treaty between USA
and Canada, and the EU Treaty for Europe. Some countries have Reciprocal
Licensing Agreements that allow one countries License to be used in
another Countries Territory. See ITU Convention for Aircraft Radio
Licensing. I did a few Licenses for local Bush Pilots, that made trips
into Canadian Territories, specifically to deliver Explosives and Caps,
to Mining Operations that were more easily served from US Airports. You
just can't imagine the Beauacratic BS involved, since 9/11. US Aircraft,
that never leave US Territory, are covered by the Same Type of Blanket
License that boats have, BUT if they leave US Airspace, they are REQUIRED
to be licensed by the FCC/USA Government.

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Bruce in alaska
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:31:55 GMT, in message

Bruce in alaska wrote:

There are some, Very
Limited, Exceptions, and these are usually done by Treaty, usually
by Adjacent Countries that share Common Waters, or adjacent
International Waters. See the Great Lakes Convention Treaty between USA
and Canada

A quick search didn't find me the relevant parts. Does that treaty
allow US and Canadian pleasure boats that meet their own national
requirements to operate in each others waters on the Great Lakes?
(sort of like the ring and horseshoe thing?)

Cheers,

Ryk

On 21 Jul 2008 17:11:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:31:55 GMT, Bruce in alaska said:

US Aircraft,
that never leave US Territory, are covered by the Same Type of Blanket
License that boats have, BUT if they leave US Airspace, they are REQUIRED
to be licensed by the FCC/USA Government.

You need to either sharpen your thinking or sharpen you expression. If they
have a "blanket license" from the FCC then by definition they are "licensed"
by that agency. Do you mean that the regulations specify explicitly that
they must be individually "licensed" under those circumstances and that a
"blanket license" will not do?

There is a difference in terminology between countries (as usual).

The US issues a "blanket station license" to cover all US vessels (is
it just pleasure craft?) while they remain in US waters. This
"blanket license" becomes invalid if such vessels enter the territory
of another country, and the vessel then must obtain an individual
station license.

Canada exempts most Canadian vessels from having a station license,
providing they remain in Canada. Vessels going to other countries
must get a station license, as they will be outside the terms of the
license exemption.

--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca