"Roger Long" wrote in
:

Once in Canadian waters where the
applicabile regulations require the ship station and operators'
licences, thus the call sign, I will switch over to using the
callsign.


"Stray Dog, Stray Dog, this is Lionheart, WDB6254, ovah?"

(long hissing noise while Joe rummages around looking for the wireless
VHF mic I installed with the new radio on Stray Dog.)

"Lionheart, Lionheart this is Stray Dog, WDF4261, go to 68, out."

Same exchange on Channel 68, if it's clear, of course.

AS you won't be there over a couple of minutes, you only need to id upon
COMPLETION of your transmissions. As far as I've ever known, you are
not required to use the callsign of the other ship, and that is common
practice identifying your station, even on HF.

Unlike ham radio, where we are REQUIRED to give our callsign at LEAST
every 10 minutes during our monologues which can go on for hours, ad
nauseum, I don't think I've ever seen an ID interval for marine radio
like that. It would be a good idea, however, to just say, "WDB6254 for
ID" every 10 minutes if the transmissions are going to be that
long....****ing everyone off on the channel.

"NMB, NMB, NMB this is WDB6254, sailing vessel "Lionheart", ovah...?"

(repeated the call 4 times and got no answer on Ch 16)

"Coast Guard Group Charleston, this is "Lionheart", ovah?"

(got an immediate response).....

They didn't know NMB was their callsign....I swear it!

Too funny....(c;

By the way, here's a very complete list of US Gummit callsigns,
including most all the USCG identities I found.
http://www.ominous-valve.com/feds.txt
KCC61 is the FBI in Boston. Until your ship license comes in, just use
their callsign. Noone will notice as noone seems to care.

73 DE WDB6254 SK SK

NNNN - They always put NNNN at the end of important-looking teletype
messages so you'll know when this blather ends and the next blather
begins....(c;

In article ,
Larry wrote:

Unlike ham radio, where we are REQUIRED to give our callsign at LEAST
every 10 minutes during our monologues which can go on for hours, ad
nauseum, I don't think I've ever seen an ID interval for marine radio
like that. It would be a good idea, however, to just say, "WDB6254 for
ID" every 10 minutes if the transmissions are going to be that
long....****ing everyone off on the channel.

47CFR80.102 requires Station ID to be transmitted, in English, at the
beginning of the Radio Exchange, at the end of the Radio Exchange, and
every 15 minutes, should the exchange be longer than 15 minutes.
If it is a Public Correspondence Exchange the Intermediary Id's can
be eliminated. If the exchange is on VHF Ch 13, only Vessel Names are
required. For VTS Traffic only Vessel Names are Required. Public Coast
Stations (are there any left?) may identify with Geographic Location,
if there is no other Public Coast Station in that same area, which could
be confused with the the Originating Station.

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Bruce in alaska wrote in news:fast-D1A8E8.11453219072008
@netnews.worldnet.att.net:

if there is no other Public Coast Station in that same area, which could
be confused with the the Originating Station.



WOM, we miss you......

In article ,
Larry wrote:

Bruce in alaska wrote in news:fast-D1A8E8.11453219072008
@netnews.worldnet.att.net:

if there is no other Public Coast Station in that same area, which could
be confused with the the Originating Station.



WOM, we miss you......

and KMI as well......

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:05:41 -0700, "claus" said:

Are "Call Signs" ever used in VHF communications to/from/between boats? I
know they are part of the FCC radio license - but is they just a
"leftover"
from land based radio stations?

Back in the dark ages when VHF recreational users had to get a license,
the
rule (only sporadically observed) was that on initiating transmission you
were to give the name of the vessel followed by its call sign. (I'll
probably never forget "this is "Queequeg" whiskey Romeo Zulu 2187").
Current
recommendation I believe is that you do the same, using your registration
or
documentation number to identify the vessel.

In practice, at least on LIS, one is lucky if the first transmission he
hears isn't something like "Hey Joe, you out here?"

huh? ("this is "Queequeg" whiskey Romeo Zulu 2187").
In the phonetic alphabet... Quebec stands for 'Q'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet

wrote in :

The most frequent one lately is "Channel 16 is for distress calls
only, Coast Guard Sector Long Island, OUT!"



If you want to find out how far this lack of station license usage as gone,
just call your local USCG radio operator using his call instead of "Coast
Guard Base, Charleston"!

If you call them by their callsign with your callsign, you probably won't
even get an answer....(c;

In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:27:57 -0400, said:

In practice, at least on LIS, one is lucky if the first transmission he
hears isn't something like "Hey Joe, you out here?"

The most frequent one lately is "Channel 16 is for distress calls
only, Coast Guard Sector Long Island, OUT!"

That comes right after the "Hey Joe, you out here?" on 16.

and the above USCG Transmission does NOT follow the International
Telecommunication Union (ITU) Regulations, which the USA is Signatory
to. What that Coastie, was supposed to say is "Channel 16 is for Calling
and Distress Communications only, Please move your traffic to a working
Frequency, Coast Guard Sector Long Island, OUT!"

Since the USCG is now the only Enforcement Agency listening on Maritime
Mobile Frequencies, these days, and they put their least experienced
trainees on the Mic, I really don't expect anything better.

If your vessel doesn't make International Voyages, (Stays inside US
Waters, ALWAYS) AND you are a non-commercial vessel, AND you only have a
VHF Radio, and or Radar, and or Epirb fitted, then you are covered
under a National Blanket License under CFR 47Part80, and your Official
Radio Callsign would be WUS and your Documentation Number or State
Registration Number. For all practical purposes, you would mostly just
use the Name of your vessel, and leave it at that. However, should
you be asked by an FCC Field Agent, or a USCG Person you would reply
with the above information, that would identify your vessel, absolutely.
If you do NOT meet the above requirements, then you are REQUIRED to
apply for, receive, and POST, a valid FCC Marine Radio Station License,
as well as a valid FCC Operators License of the REQUIRED class for your
vessel, and it's operation. Operators Licenses can be one of the
following, depending on the vessel and it voyages:
Restricted Radiotelephone Permit
Marine Radio Operators Permit
General Radio Telephone Operator License
GMDSS Radio Operator License
GMDSS Radio Maintainer License

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Bruce in alaska wrote in news:fast-33E805.14314714072008
@netnews.worldnet.att.net:

Since the USCG is now the only Enforcement Agency listening on Maritime
Mobile Frequencies, these days, and they put their least experienced
trainees on the Mic, I really don't expect anything better.



In Charleston, that's not quite right, either. They put their least
experienced trainees IN THE SAME ROOM AS THE MIC, here....and the only way
you can hear what he's saying is to run the volume up full, risking to have
your speaker blown out when the other station he's talking to answers him.

I've offered to bring an IFR analyzer down to the CG base and set the gain
and deviation on the damned old FM radio they use down there but was
refused so the 800 Hz PEAK deviation continues for years. CG will never
create adjacent channel interference with their TRUE narrow band FM
transmitter.....

.....you can't understand the watch standers who mumble at all.....dammit.

In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:31:48 GMT, Bruce in alaska said:

the above USCG Transmission does NOT follow the International
Telecommunication Union (ITU) Regulations, which the USA is Signatory
to. What that Coastie, was supposed to say is "Channel 16 is for Calling
and Distress Communications only, Please move your traffic to a working
Frequency, Coast Guard Sector Long Island, OUT!"

If you are correct about the regulations, it sounds to me like the
regulations are out of date, and the Coastie was right. Channel 16 used to
be the calling channel as well as the distress communications channel. But
now the calling channel is Ch 9, with 16 reserved for distress
communications.

Nope, you got it WRONG, Channel 16, IS for Calling and Distress
Communications ONLY, and that is an ITU Regulation, WORLDWIDE.
The USA has seen fit to move non-commercial Calling, ON A SECONDARY
BASIS, to Channel 9, basically to get the Weekend Warriors off Channel
16, with their incessant "Hey Joe, are you there", crap. You will NOT
find any of the Commercial Users, Calling on Channel 9, as this is a
LIMITED, SECONDARY BASIS, Usage for non-commercial vessels. The Weekend
Warriors, will never be able to learn proper Marine VHF Operating Rules
or Language, mostly because they NEVER have read 47CFR80, which are
the Rules for the Maritime Mobile Radio Service, in the US, which they
use. They just figure if they pay their money for their spiffy new
"Boat", get all the latest, spiffy new Radio's and Electronics, and
stick all the Manuals in a drawer, that they should be able to call
"Joe" whenever, wherever, and on any channel they choose. Even if it is
a Commercial ONLY VHF Channel, or a Ship to Shore ONLY VHF Channel.
Fortunately, fitting an MF/HF Radio that carries into the rest of the
WORLD, does require a Station License, AND an Operators License, which
then REQUIRES the Skipper to have at least Read the Rules, one would
Hope. Don't get "Me" wrong here, the Commercial Guys have their own
set of BS, as well. Like, having the Cruise Ships using Channel 68,
to communicate with their Tenders and Lighters. However, the USCG
doesn't guard Channel 68, to nothing ever happens to these YAHOO's
when they co-opt CH 68, instead of using Channel 67, or Channel 8, like
their supposed to. These two are specifically set aside for Intership
Commercial Communications ONLY. Oh well, Now that I am ReTired, it isn't
my problem anymore, but it still gets my Blood Pressure Up.

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In article ,
Dave wrote:

I'm talking real world here. The world of gummint regulations is different.
Do you really use 16 to hail other boats up there?

Just about ALL commercial Vessels use 16 for Calling, no matter where
they are in the world. It is what Channel 16 was meant to be used for,
and why ALL commercial vessels are required to maintain a Watch on
Channel 16 while navigating, no matter the size of the vessel. Channel 16
provides a Common Place for ALL Maritime VHF Radios to be, when trying
to contact another Station, for any reason, not just for Distress
reasons. Having been in the Radio Regulation Enforcement Biz for many
years, it never ceases to amaze me, what folks think, and say about, how
Maritime Mobile Radio is supposed to work, and why things are they way
they are. Weekend Warriors are NOT the largest users of Maritime Radios
on this planet, contrary to popular belief, and the Maritime Mobile Radio
Service wasn't put in place just for their specific pleasure, or usage.

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