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Dave wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:31:48 GMT, Bruce in alaska said:

the above USCG Transmission does NOT follow the International
Telecommunication Union (ITU) Regulations, which the USA is Signatory
to. What that Coastie, was supposed to say is "Channel 16 is for Calling
and Distress Communications only, Please move your traffic to a working
Frequency, Coast Guard Sector Long Island, OUT!"

If you are correct about the regulations, it sounds to me like the
regulations are out of date, and the Coastie was right. Channel 16 used to
be the calling channel as well as the distress communications channel. But
now the calling channel is Ch 9, with 16 reserved for distress
communications.

Nope, you got it WRONG, Channel 16, IS for Calling and Distress
Communications ONLY, and that is an ITU Regulation, WORLDWIDE.
The USA has seen fit to move non-commercial Calling, ON A SECONDARY
BASIS, to Channel 9, basically to get the Weekend Warriors off Channel
16, with their incessant "Hey Joe, are you there", crap. You will NOT
find any of the Commercial Users, Calling on Channel 9, as this is a
LIMITED, SECONDARY BASIS, Usage for non-commercial vessels. The Weekend
Warriors, will never be able to learn proper Marine VHF Operating Rules
or Language, mostly because they NEVER have read 47CFR80, which are
the Rules for the Maritime Mobile Radio Service, in the US, which they
use. They just figure if they pay their money for their spiffy new
"Boat", get all the latest, spiffy new Radio's and Electronics, and
stick all the Manuals in a drawer, that they should be able to call
"Joe" whenever, wherever, and on any channel they choose. Even if it is
a Commercial ONLY VHF Channel, or a Ship to Shore ONLY VHF Channel.
Fortunately, fitting an MF/HF Radio that carries into the rest of the
WORLD, does require a Station License, AND an Operators License, which
then REQUIRES the Skipper to have at least Read the Rules, one would
Hope. Don't get "Me" wrong here, the Commercial Guys have their own
set of BS, as well. Like, having the Cruise Ships using Channel 68,
to communicate with their Tenders and Lighters. However, the USCG
doesn't guard Channel 68, to nothing ever happens to these YAHOO's
when they co-opt CH 68, instead of using Channel 67, or Channel 8, like
their supposed to. These two are specifically set aside for Intership
Commercial Communications ONLY. Oh well, Now that I am ReTired, it isn't
my problem anymore, but it still gets my Blood Pressure Up.

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In article ,
Dave wrote:

I'm talking real world here. The world of gummint regulations is different.
Do you really use 16 to hail other boats up there?

Just about ALL commercial Vessels use 16 for Calling, no matter where
they are in the world. It is what Channel 16 was meant to be used for,
and why ALL commercial vessels are required to maintain a Watch on
Channel 16 while navigating, no matter the size of the vessel. Channel 16
provides a Common Place for ALL Maritime VHF Radios to be, when trying
to contact another Station, for any reason, not just for Distress
reasons. Having been in the Radio Regulation Enforcement Biz for many
years, it never ceases to amaze me, what folks think, and say about, how
Maritime Mobile Radio is supposed to work, and why things are they way
they are. Weekend Warriors are NOT the largest users of Maritime Radios
on this planet, contrary to popular belief, and the Maritime Mobile Radio
Service wasn't put in place just for their specific pleasure, or usage.

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On Jul 17, 2:20*pm, Bruce in alaska wrote:
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Just about ALL commercial Vessels use 16 for Calling, no matter where
they are in the world. It is what Channel 16 was meant to be used for,
and why ALL commercial vessels are required to maintain a Watch on
Channel 16 while navigating, no matter the size of the vessel. ...

Yes but there are important exceptions. In many places in the US of A
commercial vessels maintain a watch on 13 & VTS and do not watch 16.
See 33 CFR 26 particularly 26.04 (d). This is unfortunate and can be
confusing but if your life depends on getting in touch with a tug here
in SF Bay you better call on 13.

-- Tom.

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On Jul 17, 2:20 pm, Bruce in alaska wrote:
....
Just about ALL commercial Vessels use 16 for Calling, no matter where
they are in the world. It is what Channel 16 was meant to be used for,
and why ALL commercial vessels are required to maintain a Watch on
Channel 16 while navigating, no matter the size of the vessel. ...

Yes but there are important exceptions. In many places in the US of A
commercial vessels maintain a watch on 13 & VTS and do not watch 16.
See 33 CFR 26 particularly 26.04 (d). This is unfortunate and can be
confusing but if your life depends on getting in touch with a tug here
in SF Bay you better call on 13.

-- Tom.


Yes... there have been a couple of incidents where people didn't do this and
had problems. Monitor 14, hail on 13.

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:01:13 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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wrote in message
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On Jul 17, 2:20 pm, Bruce in alaska wrote:
...
Just about ALL commercial Vessels use 16 for Calling, no matter where
they are in the world. It is what Channel 16 was meant to be used for,
and why ALL commercial vessels are required to maintain a Watch on
Channel 16 while navigating, no matter the size of the vessel. ...

Yes but there are important exceptions. In many places in the US of A
commercial vessels maintain a watch on 13 & VTS and do not watch 16.
See 33 CFR 26 particularly 26.04 (d). This is unfortunate and can be
confusing but if your life depends on getting in touch with a tug here
in SF Bay you better call on 13.

-- Tom.


Yes... there have been a couple of incidents where people didn't do this
and
had problems. Monitor 14, hail on 13.



I thought channel 13 was officially designated for bridge to bridge
traffic.
Bridges of ships, and the operators of those spans over the river. Why
would you
monitor 14 if the hailing will be on 13?


Ship to VTS comm. is on 14 on the bay. Commercial vessels hail "traffic" and
that's nice to monitor.


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wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:01:13 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Jul 17, 2:20 pm, Bruce in alaska wrote:
...
Just about ALL commercial Vessels use 16 for Calling, no matter where
they are in the world. It is what Channel 16 was meant to be used for,
and why ALL commercial vessels are required to maintain a Watch on
Channel 16 while navigating, no matter the size of the vessel. ...

Yes but there are important exceptions. In many places in the US of A
commercial vessels maintain a watch on 13 & VTS and do not watch 16.
See 33 CFR 26 particularly 26.04 (d). This is unfortunate and can be
confusing but if your life depends on getting in touch with a tug here
in SF Bay you better call on 13.

-- Tom.


Yes... there have been a couple of incidents where people didn't do this and
had problems. Monitor 14, hail on 13.



I thought channel 13 was officially designated for bridge to bridge traffic.
Bridges of ships, and the operators of those spans over the river. Why would
you
monitor 14 if the hailing will be on 13?

because in some places the VTS Control Channel, is VHF Ch 14. It would
depend on just which VTS System you are in, and which Government is
operating it. Canadians like to use some different VHF channels in their
VTS Systems.

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,
" wrote:

On Jul 17, 2:20*pm, Bruce in alaska wrote:
...
Just about ALL commercial Vessels use 16 for Calling, no matter where
they are in the world. It is what Channel 16 was meant to be used for,
and why ALL commercial vessels are required to maintain a Watch on
Channel 16 while navigating, no matter the size of the vessel. ...

Yes but there are important exceptions. In many places in the US of A
commercial vessels maintain a watch on 13 & VTS and do not watch 16.
See 33 CFR 26 particularly 26.04 (d). This is unfortunate and can be
confusing but if your life depends on getting in touch with a tug here
in SF Bay you better call on 13.

-- Tom.

Well actually, if a vessel is REQUIRED to be under VTS Control, then they
are exempt from maintaining a Watch on Ch 16 while under VTS Control,
but the VTS System Operators are then responsible to forward any
Distress or Safety Traffic to ALL vessels under their control. Any
Navigation Traffic would be passed on the Bridge to Bridge Channel 13.
Once you understand that ALL Vessels over 20 Meters in length, or Towing,
are Required to comply with the Bridge to Bridge Radiotelephone Act,
which requires a continuous Watch on Vhf Ch. 13 while the vessel is
Navigating. Then if you are near a VTS System, as a Voluntary Equipped
Vessel would use Ch 13 to pass any Navigation Traffic to a VTS controlled
Vessel. Traffic going from a VTS controlled vessel to a voluntary
Equipped Vessel would use the VTS Channel Radio to temporarily move to
Ch 16 for calling, and move to Ch 13 for working the voluntary Equipped
Vessel. Most Bridge to Bridge REQUIRED Vessels have a Third VHF Fitted
just to relieve the above situation, and as a Hot Standby Spare, should
one of the other REQUIRED Radios Fail.

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On Jul 18, 2:44*pm, Bruce in alaska wrote:
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Well actually, if a vessel is REQUIRED to be under VTS Control, then they
are exempt from maintaining a Watch on Ch 16 while under VTS Control,
but the VTS System Operators are then responsible to forward any
Distress or Safety Traffic to ALL vessels under their control.

Amen. Just want to point out that VTS isn't a radio relay service so
you have to remember to call commercial traffic on 13 when in a VTS
area.

-- Tom.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:20:45 GMT, in message

Bruce in alaska wrote:

Having been in the Radio Regulation Enforcement Biz for many
years, it never ceases to amaze me, what folks think, and say about, how
Maritime Mobile Radio is supposed to work, and why things are they way
they are.

In my neck of the woods (Eastern Lake Ontario) 16 remains the only
calling channel. (and Canadian marinas monitor 68)

I used to have a VHF station license for my boat, but dropped it when
the local requirement went away. Somebody recently suggested to me
that I would need a station license to legitimately operate my radio
(on a Canadian registered vessel) in US waters. I do have an
operator's license. Do I need more to be legit in the US?

Ryk

Ryk wrote in
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Do I need more to be legit in the US?

Let's make a deal. You get your bureaucrats to stop forcing us to buy an
expensive ship license just to go to Canada......and we'll get our
bureaucrats to stop forcing you to buy an expensive ship license just to go
to Florida.

Deal?

One of the benefits of the "New World Order" finally creating the North
American Union will be "local" will be all the way to the southern tip of
Mexico and our Ameros will all be the same money. No license will be
necessary for any NAU ship in this hemisphere....