http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...s/5837037.html

They are going after the keel.

Lawyers are lining up

Fred

On Jun 17, 10:31*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
...
Having designed a few keels (still on the boats as far as I know) and
looking at the remarkably small amount of material that narrow chord profile
represents, I would love to see how they held this on and distributed the
strains through the hull. *It would have been a significant engineering
challenge make this work. ...

Indeed. Yet it doesn't look to be an uncommonly narrow keel by modern
race-boat standards. Off the top of my head I googled Mum 30 sail
plan and got
http://www.mumm30.org/pdf/M30ClassRule2.pdf. Pretty much every other
performance oriented keel boat designed in the last 15 years would
show the same thing... So folks can make it work. Of course, these
guys might have screwed it up. I hope the lawyers and "expert"
witnesses don't muddy the waters too much as it would be a public
service to know what exactly happened in this case.

-- Tom.

On Jun 17, 3:52*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:31:22 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote:
The builder's web site acknowledges that it happened.

http://www.cfyw.com/

Having designed a few keels (still on the boats as far as I know) and
looking at the remarkably small amount of material that narrow chord profile
represents, I would love to see how they held this on and distributed the
strains through the hull. *It would have been a significant engineering
challenge make this work.

At least one of the reports mentioned a crew member saying they hit something
hard. My first thought was that they must have run into the barely submerged
hulk of the Redcloud.

I thought it was a C&C sailboat like the one you have Mike.

You know the C&C has some serious keel to hull application problems.
It's called the C&C smile IIRC .
This loss of a keel should give you a clue as to the future of your
C&C

Fred

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:31:22 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

The builder's web site acknowledges that it happened.

http://www.cfyw.com/

Having designed a few keels (still on the boats as far as I know) and
looking at the remarkably small amount of material that narrow chord
profile
represents, I would love to see how they held this on and distributed the
strains through the hull. It would have been a significant engineering
challenge make this work.

At least one of the reports mentioned a crew member saying they hit
something
hard. My first thought was that they must have run into the barely
submerged
hulk of the Redcloud.



That's it! I think you got it! One lubberly, so-called sailor wipes out a
bunch of stupid Aggies . . . What's an Aggie doing sailing a boat anyway?
Should they be driving a John Deere?

Wilbur Hubbard

wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:59:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 17, 3:52 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:31:22 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:
The builder's web site acknowledges that it happened.

http://www.cfyw.com/

Having designed a few keels (still on the boats as far as I know) and
looking at the remarkably small amount of material that narrow chord
profile
represents, I would love to see how they held this on and distributed
the
strains through the hull. It would have been a significant engineering
challenge make this work.

At least one of the reports mentioned a crew member saying they hit
something
hard. My first thought was that they must have run into the barely
submerged
hulk of the Redcloud.

I thought it was a C&C sailboat like the one you have Mike.

You know the C&C has some serious keel to hull application problems.
It's called the C&C smile IIRC .
This loss of a keel should give you a clue as to the future of your
C&C

Fred

Poor dumb Joe the blowhard.



I think you are confusing Capt. Joe of Red Cloud infamy with the other
blowhard - Binary Bill the sailor aka Rusty Red Cloud. Two different peeps.

--
Gregory Hall

On Jun 17, 4:11*pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:59:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 17, 3:52 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:31:22 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:
The builder's web site acknowledges that it happened.

http://www.cfyw.com/

Having designed a few keels (still on the boats as far as I know) and
looking at the remarkably small amount of material that narrow chord
profile
represents, I would love to see how they held this on and distributed
the
strains through the hull. It would have been a significant engineering
challenge make this work.

At least one of the reports mentioned a crew member saying they hit
something
hard. My first thought was that they must have run into the barely
submerged
hulk of the Redcloud.

I thought it was a C&C sailboat like the one you have Mike.

You know the C&C has some serious keel to hull application problems.
It's called the C&C smile IIRC .
This loss of a keel should give you a clue as to the future of your
C&C

Fred

Poor dumb Joe the blowhard.

I think you are confusing Capt. Joe of Red Cloud infamy with the other
blowhard - Binary Bill the sailor aka Rusty Red Cloud. *Two different peeps.

--
Gregory Hall- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's the guy holding his breath another 3406 days, 4 hours, 12
minutes, and 54 seconds left until some pathetic reunion.

Bet Julie dumps him at that gig.

Fred

On Jun 18, 5:21*am, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:50:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jun 17, 4:11*pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
wrote in message

. ..

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:59:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 17, 3:52 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:31:22 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:
The builder's web site acknowledges that it happened.

http://www.cfyw.com/

Having designed a few keels (still on the boats as far as I know) and
looking at the remarkably small amount of material that narrow chord
profile
represents, I would love to see how they held this on and distributed
the
strains through the hull. It would have been a significant engineering
challenge make this work.

At least one of the reports mentioned a crew member saying they hit
something
hard. My first thought was that they must have run into the barely
submerged
hulk of the Redcloud.

I thought it was a C&C sailboat like the one you have Mike.

You know the C&C has some serious keel to hull application problems.
It's called the C&C smile IIRC .
This loss of a keel should give you a clue as to the future of your
C&C

Fred

Poor dumb Joe the blowhard.

I think you are confusing Capt. Joe of Red Cloud infamy with the other
blowhard - Binary Bill the sailor aka Rusty Red Cloud. *Two different peeps.

--
Gregory Hall- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's the guy holding his breath another 3406 days, 4 hours, 12
minutes, and 54 seconds left until some pathetic reunion.

Bet Julie dumps him at that gig.

Fred

Boy are YOU ever confused, Joe. Can't yu get ANYTHING right? How's the keel
holding up on Redcloud? I'll bet it's just fine with all that mud supporting it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You're one dumb fool Mike @ mike manners .com.
I told you before my name is Fred.

Several people here are e-mailing me all about you. Seems they "hate"
you from your Binary Bill (BB) days. One is a nice old gentleman that
is doing great in the PNW. He said you wished that he would die. Is
that true?

Michael Manners you were a real class A-asshole while you hid behind
your puppet name. If you google Binary Bill you will find the level of
hate is very high for you.

The computor nerds "hate" you more than the sailors.

Is there a specific reason you are such a dick Mike Manners?
Beside the fact you never got past H.S. and your wife dresses you?
http://www.remembernhs.com/NHSPIX/PI...ikeManners.jpg

Joe, Scotty, Bobspirt, Gilligan, Neal, Thom, Mooron, JG, Jolly Roger,
Tad and many, many lurkers are all laughing at you now.

As everyone assumed you are a little bitter pudgy nothing, who's only
route to any kind of acknowledgement was by attacking people from
behind yo mammas skirt. The term "little Punk" describing you from one
of your friends about sums you up to a T.

Fred