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Pilothouse Sailboats Offer Superior Cruising
Ron Heron wrote:
After several years of cruising with pilothouse and without I've concluded that pilothouse sailing offers tremendous advantages over sailing in the raw. Here is what I have found: 1. Much less cockpit glare in a pilothouse - less fatigue, less sunburn, better visibility. 2. Better environment temperature and sun wise. Can sail for much longer periods comfortably. 3. Higher position allows for much better visibility. 4. Higher position allows for much greater "feel" of the boat. I can sail much better from a pilothouse. The sailtrim is easier to get right and its easier to detect wind and current changes. 5. Access to instrumentation is far superior, no clouded plexiglass covers. 6. Better airflow through the cockpit of a pilothouse. 7. No wacky tiller to deal with. The wife can't handle a tiller but is a champ on the wheel. 8. Great view of things going on up on the foredeck. You can see everything, rather than being down in a "hole". 9. Stuff can be stored out of the weather in the pilothouse. 10. Pets less likely to be washed overboard. 11. Greater protection in strong seas. 12. Excellent for entertaining and getting out of the bugs. I find a pilothouse sailboat just can't be beat for cruising and would encourage any serious cruiser to look at them before commiting to a cockpit boat. Ron Heron S/V Seven C's Biloxi, MS I sail on both a 50-foot Beneteau cruiser/racer, and a 65-foot pilothouse ketch, and you can keep your pilothouse boat. They are bloody awful to sail. Slow to respond to the helm, won't point, and require an engine the size of the QM2's to make any progress thru wind and waves. They are simply downwind flat-water cruisers with no propensity to seaworthiness. Dennis. |
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On Fri, 9 May 2008 09:24:21 +0100, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote: I sail on both a 50-foot Beneteau cruiser/racer, and a 65-foot pilothouse ketch, and you can keep your pilothouse boat. They are bloody awful to sail. Slow to respond to the helm, won't point, and require an engine the size of the QM2's to make any progress thru wind and waves. They are simply downwind flat-water cruisers with no propensity to seaworthiness. How exactly does the pilothouse affect all of those characteristics ? |
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"Bob" wrote
I guess Ive been reading too many of Roger's posts and his constant self promotion and attempts at building credibility. ??? "Roger Long" wrote: You really think that, if I was concerned about credibility, I would let my participation in this circus be recorded on servers all over the world? Why not, can't hurt your credibility *if* your statements are credible. .... You think hiding behind the Internet anonymously and just making cranky negative replies to other's posts is less obnoxious? Obnoxious is in the eye of the beholder. Wilber/Greg/Kneel® and the army of flonking sock puppets think that discussion forums on the internet are for their entertainment... come to think of it, a couple of other people have that attitude.... and they are threatened by the thought that there really are people who have knowledge, skills, experience... a real life. They prefer to believe that made-up BS is just as good as anything reality has to offer. This is why some regular & semi-regular posters here are special targets for abuse by Wilber et al. In fact I think Skip bugs him/them/ it the most, because despite not being an expert, Skip escaped the pull of internet non-reality and WENT a-cruising.... and Wilber/Greg/ Kneel® knows that he/she/it never will. It does remind me of a joke from my flying days though: Q. How do you tell who the private pilots are at a party? A. You don't. They tell you. And the loudmouth wanna-bees also tell you... indirectly but irrefutably.... and it ****es them off that you know when they're BSing  DSK |
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On Fri, 9 May 2008 14:02:44 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: "Bob" wrote I guess Ive been reading too many of Roger's posts and his constant self promotion and attempts at building credibility. You really think that, if I was concerned about credibility, I would let my participation in this circus be recorded on servers all over the world? I'm quite open about who I am, what I do, and what I've done. You think hiding behind the Internet anonymously and just making cranky negative replies to other's posts is less obnoxious? It does remind me of a joke from my flying days though: Q. How do you tell who the private pilots are at a party? A. You don't. They tell you. As Dizzy Dean once said, "It isn't bragging if you can do it." Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On May 9, 3:57*pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
I think you missed the tongue in my cheek. *After (insert shameless self promotion of your choice here) I find the idea that I'm seeking credibility here rather amusing. Here comes the predictable self stroking................. Ahhh ah aha aa I've been cruising and crewing offshore since 1968 in boats from a 10 foot dinghy with a boom tent to a 385 foot Russian square rigger in the tail end of a hurricane but all my offshore time has been as crew. I've only once spent a full 24 hours underway in a vessel under my command. *I know enough from 4 decades on the water and nearly as much time professionally involved with boats to be completely aware that I don't yet have the knowledge and experience to undertake the kind of voyages that several regulars in this group have done and which I aspire to. That's one of the reasons I spend time here and wish there was more real discussion and knowledge sharing and less anonomyous sniping which is actually just a perverse form of credibility building. *Predicting that everyone will sink except, by implication, the poster is tiresome but it does make him look like a sage when someone actually does. Roger Long Good job Roger. Now where is that dirty sock to clean up the mess........ Bob |
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On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote: On May 9, 3:57*pm, "Roger Long" wrote: I think you missed the tongue in my cheek. *After (insert shameless self promotion of your choice here) I find the idea that I'm seeking credibility here rather amusing. Here comes the predictable self stroking................. Ahhh ah aha aa I've been cruising and crewing offshore since 1968 in boats from a 10 foot dinghy with a boom tent to a 385 foot Russian square rigger in the tail end of a hurricane but all my offshore time has been as crew. I've only once spent a full 24 hours underway in a vessel under my command. *I know enough from 4 decades on the water and nearly as much time professionally involved with boats to be completely aware that I don't yet have the knowledge and experience to undertake the kind of voyages that several regulars in this group have done and which I aspire to. That's one of the reasons I spend time here and wish there was more real discussion and knowledge sharing and less anonomyous sniping which is actually just a perverse form of credibility building. *Predicting that everyone will sink except, by implication, the poster is tiresome but it does make him look like a sage when someone actually does. Roger Long Good job Roger. Now where is that dirty sock to clean up the mess........ Bob Hey there Bull **** Bob. How about getting you skinny ass off this group. It isn't your's to complain about the denzens here. NO! It is mine, Mine, MINE! Out, Out, foul spot, begone. Wilber |
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On May 9, 9:26*pm, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Bob wrote: On May 9, 3:57*pm, "Roger Long" wrote: I think you missed the tongue in my cheek. *After (insert shameless self promotion of your choice here) I find the idea that I'm seeking credibility here rather amusing. Here comes the predictable self stroking................. Ahhh ah *aha aa I've been cruising and crewing offshore since 1968 in boats from a 10 foot dinghy with a boom tent to a 385 foot Russian square rigger in the tail end of a hurricane but all my offshore time has been as crew. I've only once spent a full 24 hours underway in a vessel under my command. *I know enough from 4 decades on the water and nearly as much time professionally involved with boats to be completely aware that I don't yet have the knowledge and experience to undertake the kind of voyages that several regulars in this group have done and which I aspire to. That's one of the reasons I spend time here and wish there was more real discussion and knowledge sharing and less anonomyous sniping which is actually just a perverse form of credibility building. *Predicting that everyone will sink except, by implication, the poster is tiresome but it does make him look like a sage when someone actually does. Roger Long Good job Roger. Now where is that dirty sock to clean up the mess........ Bob Hey there Bull **** Bob. How about getting you skinny ass off this group. It isn't your's to complain about the denzens here. NO! It is mine, Mine, MINE! Out, Out, foul spot, begone. Wilber- Hide quoted text - Heavens, Have I fouled WIlburs nest??? I applogize and will stop immediatly. Well, lets see...... what to do today instead of have an intelectual discussion here at RBC O yes, tear out my mast wiring conductors from the pannle to the step. split some 1 1/2" flex conduit and lay out a new run. Better lay in the sun for a bit and drink two porters...........and wish I had a swan 69 Hope ya have a good weekend Wilbur. So say, what part of the world do you tie up????? Bob |
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On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:21:11 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote: Well, lets see...... what to do today instead of have an intelectual discussion here at RBC You could think about fixing your spell checker. |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Out, Out, foul spot, begone. Pray tell dear Wilbur, just what foul deed are you feeling such pangs of guilt about? Oh, wait, you don't understand, never mind. Cheers Marty |
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Second, I have no dog in this since while I own an open cockpit sailboat, I appreciate the options that wheelhouse or pilothouse boats offer also. Third, I could see where a Pilothouse could have an "apparent" better airflow since solar gain is eliminated or substantially reduced making the environment seem cooler. Anyone ever sat in the shade? Fourth, according to the logic offered by some regarding the seaworthiness of a pilothouse, how do you feel about catamarans? Which have numerous large windows and high freeboard? Aren't they also considered "cruisers". Has anyone seen a Shannon Pilot 43? I think the designers there would assert that they are cruisers? As for Colregs related to hearing? Really? Crack a window.... Ron, I say enjoy your boat, it is yours after all, not Bob's or Willard's or anyone else's for that matter. Thank you for your insights and opinions. |
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