On 2008-04-18 23:27:02 -0400, Marty said:

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
in most yacht anchorages ....

a light is not required....

As long as you don't mind being bumped into and can pay the damage your
insurance company won't pay for.

There are very few anchorages where an anchor light is not required by regs.

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:02:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:52:40 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-04-18 23:27:02 -0400, Marty said:

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
in most yacht anchorages ....

a light is not required....

As long as you don't mind being bumped into and can pay the damage your
insurance company won't pay for.

There are very few anchorages where an anchor light is not required by regs.

Really? Has anyone ever explained to you how to read a chart? All those
designated anchorages do NOT require an anchor light.

According to the regulations I read the following is in effect:

(a) These Rules shall apply to all vessels upon the high seas and in
all waters connected therewith navigable by seagoing vessel

(b) Nothing in these Rules shall interfere with the operation of
special rules made by an appropriate authority for roadsteads,
harbours, rivers, lakes or inland waterways connected with the high
seas and navigable by seagoing vessels. Such special rules shall
conform as closely as possible to these Rules.

In other words the authorities controlling the waters can publish any
regulation they wish and you must comply with it.

and:

Responsibility
(a) Nothing in these Rules shall exonerate any vessel, or the owner,
master or crew thereof, from the consequences of any neglect to comply
with these Rules or of the neglect of any precaution which may be
required by the ordinary practice of seamen, or by the special
circumstances of the case.

If they say "get a lite" and you don't scamper right out and get one
then you are at fault.

Designated anchorages MAY require an anchor light.

It is not really an area to be discussed as I have seen a boat
anchored in a "designated anchorage" without an anchor light that was
"T-boned" by a speed boat and was found solely at fault in admiralty
court as local regulations stated an anchor light was required..

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:52:40 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-04-18 23:27:02 -0400, Marty said:

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
in most yacht anchorages ....

a light is not required....

As long as you don't mind being bumped into and can pay the damage your
insurance company won't pay for.

There are very few anchorages where an anchor light is not required by regs.

Really? Has anyone ever explained to you how to read a chart? All those
designated anchorages do NOT require an anchor light.

There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts
where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis, and I thought the
anchorage at Mile Hammock Bay was one, but when I looked at the chart
it wasn't on there as a designated anchorage, even though that is all
that it is used for.

Only if it is a special anchorage area designated by the Secretary (of
Homeland Security) is an anchor light night NOT required. It may even
be defined and administered by a state or local government, that
anchorage does not automatically become one of these designated
Special Anchorage Areas

To find out where such anchorages exist, go to The Code of Federal
Regulations, Title 33 Navigation and Navigable Waters, Part 110,
Anchorage Regulations (CITE: 33CFR110.1) [available free at
www.access.gpo.gov and most public libraries]. Here in Subpart A,
Special Anchorage Areas, there are 96 listed locations with very
specific boundaries described. Some, like 110.30 Boston Harbor, Mass
and adjacent waters have multiple individual anchorage locations
specified and supplementary rules and regulations so there are a few
more individual sites than the 96 major listings. Even so, considering
all of the possible places to anchor in the U.S., there are not a lot
of these special anchorages as a percent of the total anchorages.

On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts
where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis,

Where's that?

Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on.

One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered
anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina.

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On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts
where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis,

Where's that?

Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on.

One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered
anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina.

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I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field for
yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though.

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On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said:


There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts
where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis,

Where's that?

Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on.

One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered
anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina.

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I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field for
yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though.



Do you fly the "day shapes" whn anchored during the day?

Curious id people actually do that or ignore it.

Richard

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On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said:


There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts
where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis,

Where's that?

Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on.

One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered
anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina.

--
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Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/




I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field
for yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though.



Do you fly the "day shapes" whn anchored during the day?

Curious id people actually do that or ignore it.

Richard

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If we're going to be there long enough for me to be able to find the damn
thing... :-)

I've never seen an under 20m sailboat do that however... even ones who've
been on the hook for days/weeks. Some of them don't even show a light, even
though they're not in a designated anchorage. I've never heard of anyone
getting a ticket for not doing that, but I suppose it happens if the CG
wants it to happen.


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On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts
where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis,

Where's that?

Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on.

One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered
anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina.

--
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Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

MO (without looking it up) is that the moorings are listed on the
charts so that we know where they are, not so that we don't have to
show an anchor light if we are anchored there.

I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field
for yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though.

Do you fly the "day shapes" whn anchored during the day?

Curious if people actually do that or ignore it.

Well we do. We have the dayshape and the anchor light on a halyard
and we hoist it when we anchor. The anchor light is photo sensitive
and goes on when it gets dark. When It's not dark, the dayshape is
there.

There's a guy we know who anchors for long periods (not sure if he is
over 20 meters or not), and he also abides by all the regulations so
that if he is boarded (which because he has a strange looking boat he
often is) he can demonstrate that he's done absolutely everything
required.

If we're going to be there long enough for me to be able to find the damn
thing... :-)

I've never seen an under 20m sailboat do that however... even ones who've
been on the hook for days/weeks. Some of them don't even show a light, even
though they're not in a designated anchorage. I've never heard of anyone
getting a ticket for not doing that, but I suppose it happens if the CG
wants it to happen.

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On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B.
said:


There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts
where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis,

Where's that?

Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on.

One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered
anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina.

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Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/




I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring
field
for yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though.



Do you fly the "day shapes" whn anchored during the day?

Curious id people actually do that or ignore it.

Richard

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If we're going to be there long enough for me to be able to find the damn
thing... :-)

I've never seen an under 20m sailboat do that however... even ones who've
been on the hook for days/weeks. Some of them don't even show a light,
even
though they're not in a designated anchorage. I've never heard of anyone
getting a ticket for not doing that, but I suppose it happens if the CG
wants it to happen.


The problem with day shapes is that the sizes are huge. The minimum sized
anchor
dayshape is about 2 feet in diameter. Boats under 20 meters are allowed
to have
proportionately smaller dayshapes, but there are no exact formulas issued
for
what that means, so anything under 2 feet is open to dispute in court.

I have a spare Davis radar reflector spray painted black that I fly under
the
spreaders when anchored. I have no idea if it would even legally count. In
busy
anchorages, I also usually tie a few short pieces of yellow caution tape
to the
anchor rode between the roller and where it enters the water. That seems
to be
enough of a hint for the oblivious stinkpotters racing around to avoid
them
cutting too close. I treat "special anchorages no differently than any
other as
far as precautions and signals, except I don't normally use horn or bell
signals
unless there is very limited visibility due to weather conditions and it
seems
needed for safety.

Doubtful about the blackened reflector... sounds like a Cajun dish... but,
they'll probably give you a B- for trying. I like the caution tape idea.
Fortunately, I only anchored one time in an anchorage that seemed like it
would be prone to someone cutting across the line... it was all chain, and I
figured they would be worse for it. Nothing happened, but the next morning
we discovered someone had anchored after dark, and had crossed our line with
theirs. They were a bit close on the swimg, but everything was stable, so we
just hailed them when they woke up, and we disentangled pretty easily.

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On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B.
said:


There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts
where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis,

Where's that?

Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on.

One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered
anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/




I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring
field
for yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though.



Do you fly the "day shapes" whn anchored during the day?

Curious id people actually do that or ignore it.

Richard

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Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English?
John Wayne


If we're going to be there long enough for me to be able to find the damn
thing... :-)

I've never seen an under 20m sailboat do that however... even ones who've
been on the hook for days/weeks. Some of them don't even show a light,
even
though they're not in a designated anchorage. I've never heard of anyone
getting a ticket for not doing that, but I suppose it happens if the CG
wants it to happen.


The problem with day shapes is that the sizes are huge. The minimum sized
anchor
dayshape is about 2 feet in diameter. Boats under 20 meters are allowed
to have
proportionately smaller dayshapes, but there are no exact formulas issued
for
what that means, so anything under 2 feet is open to dispute in court.

I have a spare Davis radar reflector spray painted black that I fly under
the
spreaders when anchored. I have no idea if it would even legally count. In
busy
anchorages, I also usually tie a few short pieces of yellow caution tape
to the
anchor rode between the roller and where it enters the water. That seems
to be
enough of a hint for the oblivious stinkpotters racing around to avoid
them
cutting too close. I treat "special anchorages no differently than any
other as
far as precautions and signals, except I don't normally use horn or bell
signals
unless there is very limited visibility due to weather conditions and it
seems
needed for safety.




Hey, you could use one of those environmentally unfriendly metalic helium
balloons painted black... just don't lose it.

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