Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
in most yacht
anchorages ....



a light is not required....


Cheers
Marty

On 2008-04-18 23:27:02 -0400, Marty said:

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
in most yacht anchorages ....

a light is not required....

As long as you don't mind being bumped into and can pay the damage your
insurance company won't pay for.

There are very few anchorages where an anchor light is not required by regs.

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:02:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:52:40 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-04-18 23:27:02 -0400, Marty said:

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
in most yacht anchorages ....

a light is not required....

As long as you don't mind being bumped into and can pay the damage your
insurance company won't pay for.

There are very few anchorages where an anchor light is not required by regs.

Really? Has anyone ever explained to you how to read a chart? All those
designated anchorages do NOT require an anchor light.

According to the regulations I read the following is in effect:

(a) These Rules shall apply to all vessels upon the high seas and in
all waters connected therewith navigable by seagoing vessel

(b) Nothing in these Rules shall interfere with the operation of
special rules made by an appropriate authority for roadsteads,
harbours, rivers, lakes or inland waterways connected with the high
seas and navigable by seagoing vessels. Such special rules shall
conform as closely as possible to these Rules.

In other words the authorities controlling the waters can publish any
regulation they wish and you must comply with it.

and:

Responsibility
(a) Nothing in these Rules shall exonerate any vessel, or the owner,
master or crew thereof, from the consequences of any neglect to comply
with these Rules or of the neglect of any precaution which may be
required by the ordinary practice of seamen, or by the special
circumstances of the case.

If they say "get a lite" and you don't scamper right out and get one
then you are at fault.

Designated anchorages MAY require an anchor light.

It is not really an area to be discussed as I have seen a boat
anchored in a "designated anchorage" without an anchor light that was
"T-boned" by a speed boat and was found solely at fault in admiralty
court as local regulations stated an anchor light was required..

Bruce-in-Bangkok
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:52:40 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-04-18 23:27:02 -0400, Marty said:

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
in most yacht anchorages ....

a light is not required....

As long as you don't mind being bumped into and can pay the damage your
insurance company won't pay for.

There are very few anchorages where an anchor light is not required by regs.

Really? Has anyone ever explained to you how to read a chart? All those
designated anchorages do NOT require an anchor light.

There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts
where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis, and I thought the
anchorage at Mile Hammock Bay was one, but when I looked at the chart
it wasn't on there as a designated anchorage, even though that is all
that it is used for.

Only if it is a special anchorage area designated by the Secretary (of
Homeland Security) is an anchor light night NOT required. It may even
be defined and administered by a state or local government, that
anchorage does not automatically become one of these designated
Special Anchorage Areas

To find out where such anchorages exist, go to The Code of Federal
Regulations, Title 33 Navigation and Navigable Waters, Part 110,
Anchorage Regulations (CITE: 33CFR110.1) [available free at
www.access.gpo.gov and most public libraries]. Here in Subpart A,
Special Anchorage Areas, there are 96 listed locations with very
specific boundaries described. Some, like 110.30 Boston Harbor, Mass
and adjacent waters have multiple individual anchorage locations
specified and supplementary rules and regulations so there are a few
more individual sites than the 96 major listings. Even so, considering
all of the possible places to anchor in the U.S., there are not a lot
of these special anchorages as a percent of the total anchorages.

On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts
where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis,

Where's that?

Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on.

One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered
anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina.

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On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts
where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis,

Where's that?

Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on.

One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered
anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina.

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I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field for
yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though.

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On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said:


There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts
where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis,

Where's that?

Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on.

One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered
anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina.

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Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field for
yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though.



Do you fly the "day shapes" whn anchored during the day?

Curious id people actually do that or ignore it.

Richard

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On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said:


There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts
where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis,

Where's that?

Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on.

One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered
anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina.

--
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Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/




I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field
for yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though.



Do you fly the "day shapes" whn anchored during the day?

Curious id people actually do that or ignore it.

Richard

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If we're going to be there long enough for me to be able to find the damn
thing... :-)

I've never seen an under 20m sailboat do that however... even ones who've
been on the hook for days/weeks. Some of them don't even show a light, even
though they're not in a designated anchorage. I've never heard of anyone
getting a ticket for not doing that, but I suppose it happens if the CG
wants it to happen.


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I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field
for yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though.

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Stupid twit! And you CLAIM to have passed the USCG license exam and studied
the COLREGS.

You are pathetic, man pathetic! What a poor example you are to us competent
and real captains!

What don't you understand about this?

Rule 30
(a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen: in the fore
part, an all-round white light or one ball; at or near the stern and at a
lower level than the light prescribed in subparagraph (i), an all-round
white light.

(b) A vessel of less than 50 meters in length may exhibit an all-round
white light where it can best be seen instead of the lights prescribed in
paragraph (a) of this Rule.

(c) A vessel at anchor may, and a vessel of 100 meters and more in
length shall, also use the available working or equivalent lights to
illuminate her decks.

(d) A vessel aground shall exhibit the lights prescribed in paragraph
(a) or (b) of this Rule and in addition, if practicable, [Inld] where they
can best be seen;
two all-round red lights in a vertical line; three balls in a vertical
line.

(e) A vessel of less than 7 meters in length, when at anchor not in or
near a narrow channel, fairway or where other vessels normally navigate,
shall not be required to exhibit the shape prescribed in paragraphs (a) and
(b) of this Rule.

(f) A vessel of less than 12 meters in length, when aground, shall not
be required to exhibit the lights or shapes prescribed in subparagraphs
(d)(i) and (ii) of this Rule.

(g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a
special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be required to
exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule. [Inld]



~~~~~~Moored vessel are considered to be anchored by definition~~~~~

33 CFR 90
INTERPRETIVE RULES - INLAND
§ 90.1 Purpose
This part contains the interpretative rules for the Inland Rules. These
interpretative rules are intended as a guide to assist the public and
promote compliance with the Inland Rules.

§ 90.5 Lights for moored vessels
A vessel at anchor includes a vessel made fast to one or more mooring buoys
or other similar device attached to the ocean floor. Such vessels may be
lighted as a vessel at anchor in accordance with Rule 30, or may be lighted
on the corners in accordance with 33 CFR 88.13.


So, try weaseling your ignorant way out of this one! Few if any of you
reading this anchor in the few "Special Ancorages" that are available as
most of them are very exposed to wind and sea and generally exist for the
sake of large shipping interests waiting to come into port.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:45:03 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Few if any of you
reading this anchor in the few "Special Ancorages" that are available as
most of them are very exposed to wind and sea and generally exist for the
sake of large shipping interests waiting to come into port.

Bull kwap nonsense, most of them are mooring fields.