On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:52:31 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message
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What "massive changes of the SUN...."?


Well duhhh... it exploded last week. It was on one of the inside pages of
the NY Times.

I think Larry's argument goes like this: "We see large temperature
changes (over a period of millions and billions of years) so we just
assume this must be due to 'massive changes of the SUN', therefore
variation of the sun's energy output is proved to be the cause of all
temperature changes, then and now"

Never mind Lake Agassiz, continents moving, orbit changes, the
Earth's axis changing, anomalous thermohaline and other circulations,
stratospheric aerosols, etc. etc. I don't call 0.1% or 0.5% changes
"massive". He is an idiot or a crook or both.

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:17:03 GMT, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote:

Why aren't boats tested
annually? They burn much more fuel than a car. In fact, boat exhaust
has hurt people on the water:

More fuel than a car?Per hour but not per mile or per year. Any kind
of combusion product can hurt people. You can't breathe pure nitrogen,
which is what perfect combustion will leave for an atmosphere.

Casady

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:20:53 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:41:06 +0000, Larry wrote:

Not true at all. John Baez, a non-believer and brilliant scientist shows
you why if you'll look back beyond human existence:

You're going to believe a folk singer ?

Joan Baez is the singer. As for John, who knows?

Casady

Capt. JG wrote:
How would you possibly know unless you looked?? The Sierra Club is one
of the most non-liberal of all the environmental groups...

You are kidding, right? Sierra Club *not* liberal? Jon, your arguments
are quite disengenuous, and now downright funny - you could do standup!

The preponderance of evidence says that we're causing global
warming.

No, Jon - the preponderance of *your* politico/religious beliefs in what
you've been led to believe about global atmospheric changes is
incorrect, and I have told you about a bunch of research you refuse to
even investigate to see if I am right or wrong. How about this one: A
recent research project discovered some startling data - it was found
that certain large wind systems can alter deep ocean currents and cause
the ice cap to be subjected to larger-than-normal warm current flows
over long periods, causing faster melting. Yet the ice pack is now
thicker than this time last year and the earth's temp has gone down. Now
your favorite political/religious fanatics are rapidly changing the
vocabulary so they can come up with yet another way to scam the public
into thinking we are now causing global cooling. Let's see, 1970's -
global cooling, 1990's global warming, 2008- global cooling... As John
Stossel whould say, give me a break! Look at the sun, Jon, look at the
sun - the answer is there!
And if you want a primer on how the ozone layer gets a hole in it,
google *gamma ray bursts*. One large burst can blow a large hole in the
ozone in ten minutes, and it takes approx three years to heal. Prob is,
we get an average of one to two large bursts a year and many smaller
ones. See if you can swallow that pill with a helping of freon!

I've pointed you to a fairly benign source that has some
interesting information, yet you refuse to look.

Once again, the Sierra Club is a far-left fundraising organization of
the Democrat party. If you would bother to follow the money trail you
would see that. It is not now, nor has it ever been "benign", nor is it
particularly interested in saving the environment. It exists to raise
funds for that party. I have already told you I do not read fundraising
scare tactic material of either party. But you think I'm a bad person
because I don't read the stuff from *your* party, and yet you would call
me bad names if I read and believed anything from the other party. You
are a hypocrite.

Instead, you make fun of a
political candidate. Seems pretty obvious to me who's mind is closed.

You have been making fun of and calling names of anyone who disagrees
with any of your political beliefs. You called me a (incorrect) name
based on my trying to convey information to you. Will you try to tell me
you haven't called President Bush names? That makes you a hypocrite.
But I'll explain for your benefit... I called Obama "Osama" because of
something *he* himself wrote. It will be of particular importance to you
when you find out, and I am going to bring this item up to you again
when it comes to light.
Now if you can find anything where I insulted his religion (he is
Catholic) or his race you let me know. I did, however, allude to some
big-time shady deals he may be involved in with several known criminals.
Oh, and what about his close friendship with a known and admitted
terrorist who tried to blow up and kill U.S. soldiers here on U.S. soil?
Should I keep silent about that too?

I'm not sure where you're getting religious beliefs, mine or anyone
elses, from

Once again you're being disengenuous. I have been explaining this
concept for probably a year here in this forum. You are practicing a
religion when your political views are no longer founded in reality, but
instead it becomes *blind faith* - you beleive what you are told to
believe by your political party, and anyone who dares disagree with each
and every point of your politico/religious beliefs is held as a heretic
- just like the Catholics and Muslims and many other religions like
Democrats and Republicans do. See Jon, I hate both criminal parties
equally, so you can now refrain from calling me those nasty names.

-- "j" ganz @@

Red

"Red" wrote in message
...
You are kidding, right? Sierra Club *not* liberal? Jon, your arguments are
quite disengenuous, and now downright funny - you could do standup!

I didn't say that and I can see that you're the one being disengenous.

I said, "The Sierra Club is one of the most non-liberal of all the
environmental groups...." This is a far cry from saying that they aren't
liberal.

The preponderance of evidence says that we're causing global
warming.

No, Jon - the preponderance of *your* politico/religious beliefs in what

Where are you getting your material? Alan Keyes? Where are you getting this
fixation that there's a political/religious agenda in what I've said? This
sounds like either your inability to grasp simple language or a genuine
desire to look foolish.

huge rantish snip
I've pointed you to a fairly benign source that has some
interesting information, yet you refuse to look.

Once again, the Sierra Club is a far-left fundraising organization of the
Democrat party. If you would bother to follow the money trail you

Hahaha... of the Democratic Party? Don't you mean the Democratic Party is a
far-left fundraising organization of the Sierra Club??? ROFL!!

more snipping of foolishness

Instead, you make fun of a
political candidate. Seems pretty obvious to me who's mind is closed.

You have been making fun of and calling names of anyone who disagrees with
any of your political beliefs. You called me a (incorrect) name

You're clearly a right-wingnut, by your own words. I've never denied being a
LIBERAL. Why are you denying what's rightfully yours? ROLF

based on my trying to convey information to you. Will you try to tell me
you haven't called President Bush names? That makes you a hypocrite.

But I'll explain for your benefit... I called Obama "Osama" because of
something *he* himself wrote. It will be of particular importance to you
when you find out, and I am going to bring this item up to you again when
it comes to light.

I haven't called him a Nazi. And, feel free to show me where Obama referred
to himself as Osama! Does claiming this make you a liar?

Now if you can find anything where I insulted his religion (he is
Catholic) or his race you let me know. I did, however, allude to some
big-time shady deals he may be involved in with several known criminals.

Several... really? Feel free to list them. ROFL Compared to Bushco??
HAHAHAHAA

Oh, and what about his close friendship with a known and admitted
terrorist who tried to blow up and kill U.S. soldiers here on U.S. soil?
Should I keep silent about that too?

No, you should look really foolish and try and make that case!

I'm not sure where you're getting religious beliefs, mine or anyone
elses, from

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Red" wrote in message
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Sometimes the truth slips out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8pvU...eature=related

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. JG" wrote in
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"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message
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What "massive changes of the SUN...."?


Well duhhh... it exploded last week. It was on one of the inside pages
of the NY Times.




http://www.solarstorms.org/

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ay_031027.html
The solar storm of 1859, strongest one we know about. Telegraphs useless.

"During the 1859 flare-up, solar observers logged almost an entire minute
during which the amount of sunlight doubled at the region of the flare.

"Such a strong white-light flare has never been seen since," says Paal
Brekke, SOHO deputy project scientist. "So if this type of flare happened,
yes we would know right away." But he adds that the orientation of Earth's
magnetic field would not be known. Future space-based observatories could
address this blind spot in space weather forecasting."

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SWN/

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/alerts/index.html

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/alerts/alerts_timeline.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_flare

Of course, you'll want the videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU4hpsistDk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YmVB9tbraU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5PJn1Li9UA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZqu-OK9pG8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnqubAGgx2k

and for our illegal Mexicans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8K4m0bpm_Q

Discovery Channel Perfect Solar Storm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIr6nfwpctA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22H0iiMwjac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBYGPUpxVco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRI34cV-xXY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01EdXTjzhvE

The nuts will have a field day.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecTE6lXI-m0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZUzFYwZlXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXAL7cDYTpk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owp7gK34EOw

Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote in
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He is an idiot or a crook or both.

Yep, that's me. I'm gonna cash in bigtime when the hammer falls....(c;

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in
:

"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message
...
snip

What "massive changes of the SUN...."?


Well duhhh... it exploded last week. It was on one of the inside pages
of the NY Times.




http://www.solarstorms.org/


I hope the Rapture happens soon... I need some new clothes!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Phil Abuster wrote:
In some areas of the country cars undergo rigorous emissions testing - good
for the environment, good for people and delaying the inevitable onslaught
of global warming. Why aren't boats tested annually? They burn much more
fuel than a car. In fact, boat exhaust has hurt people on the water:

Hey! I just dropped a brand new Volvo-Penta DI-13 into my boat, it meets
EU and California emission requirements!

Cheers
Marty