Thanks guys, I'll look at my gross vehicle rating when the wife comes home
from work.
Good to see you back in action Chuck..in a saner environment.

Gould 0738 wrote in message
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What's your gross combination rating?

Could you carry the outboard in the tow vehicle to get back under your
trailer
limit, without overreaching your gross combo number?

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says...


I'm looking to down size to a trailerable sailboat with a swing keel around
25'-27'. I will be sailing on the Indian River in FL and need a very shallow
draft.
I would also like to able to haul the boat without yard fees and maybe some
trailer sailing and the vehicle I would use is a full size pickup with a V-6
so I need to be fairly conservative with weight.
Any suggestions and personal experiences would be appreciated.
Merlin.

Dawson (or Parker-Dawson) 26, if you can find one.

In article ,
says...


I'm looking to down size to a trailerable sailboat with a swing keel around
25'-27'. I will be sailing on the Indian River in FL and need a very shallow
draft.
I would also like to able to haul the boat without yard fees and maybe some
trailer sailing and the vehicle I would use is a full size pickup with a V-6
so I need to be fairly conservative with weight.
Any suggestions and personal experiences would be appreciated.
Merlin.

Dawson (or Parker-Dawson) 26, if you can find one.

Doug,
Have gone thru most of your list and the Macgregor's layout is by far the
most open I've seen in anything in that size range. I also like the weight
and draft.
Any idea how it sails?
Merlin.
"DSK" wrote in message
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MMC wrote:
I'm looking to down size to a trailerable sailboat with a swing keel
around
25'-27'. I will be sailing on the Indian River in FL and need a very
shallow
draft.
I would also like to able to haul the boat without yard fees and maybe
some
trailer sailing and the vehicle I would use is a full size pickup with a
V-6
so I need to be fairly conservative with weight.
Any suggestions and personal experiences would be appreciated.

My wife and I daysailed, weekended, and cruised, in a trailerable for
over ten years. Often we went in company with fellow club members or
friends with trailerable sailboats, so we got to see a lot in action.
The boat that we chose was quite a bit smaller (19')for reasons of
practicality.

In the size range you're looking at, the most bang for the buck will be
one of these:

MacGregor 26 MacGregor LOA=25.8 LWL=23.8 Bm=7.9 Dr=1.2/5.3 MONO-WB
Sloop-Fr Disp=2,850 Ballast=1,225 SA=236

They were built from about 1987 to 1995, and their biggest flaw is that
they are bulky on land and tippy in the water. But they are relatively
fast & roomy boats. Of course nobody at the yacht club will be impressed.

If i have one suggestion, that is to keep the weight down. Lots of
people are tearing up their cars and especially their trannies & brakes
trying to tow boats that are 102% of their vehicles tow capacity. You're
far better off at about 75% or less. Remember too that trailer
maintenance is one of the trade-offs of not having to pay for a slip...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Here is a list of other trailerable boats in the size range you're
looking. There are MANY more out there.

Morgan 24 Morgan, Charles 24.5 21.0 8.0 2.8/6 MONO-K/CB Sloop 5,000
1,900 310

Windrose 25 24.7 22.1 7.8 6.3 MONO Sloop 2,500 600 228

Helms 25 Windley, Stuart 24.9 21.5 8.0 1.7/6 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,950 1,650
270


MacGregor 25 MacGregor 24.9 22.8 7.9 1.5'/5' MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,100 625
314

B-25 Bailey 25.0 21.3 8.3 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,000 800 273

Elliott 770 Elliott 25.0 23.6 8.2 1'7"/5'8" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,400 850
320

Dehler 25 Van DeStadt 25.0 19.5 8.2 1.5/4.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop 3,031 1,553
278

Bremer 25 BREMER 25.0 22.5 8.0 2.5/6.2 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 3,800 1,600 308

CATALINA 25 Butler, Frank 25.0 22.3 8.0 2.1 / 5.1 MONO-SwK Sloop-MH
4,550 1,200 270

Morgan 25 Morgan, Charles 25.0 21.5 8.0 2.8/6.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH
5,000 1,900 310

ENSENADA 25 Hankinson 25.2 22.2 7.9 2.2 MONO-CB SLOOP 3,000 1,200 278

Skimmer 25 Parker 25.4 24.0 8.2 1'4"/3'10" MONO-CB Sloop-Gaff 3,800
1,000 375

Balboa 26 Hess 25.6 20.8 8.0 1.8'/5 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,600 1,200 293

CHRYSLER 26 Herreshoff, H 25.6 22.0 8.0 2.1 / 5.7 MONO SLOOP 4,200 1,925
277

South Coast 26 Metcalf/Monroe 25.8 23.3 1.8/3.8 MONO-DrK SLOOP 4,200
1,473 250

Etap 26 Van DeStadt 25.8 21.6 9.0 3.1/5.4 MONO-DrK Sloop 5,000 1,545 384

S2 7.9 G & S 25.9 21.7 9.0 1'8"/5'2" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 4,250 1,750 329

Kent Ranger 26 Richards, Ray 26.0 22.0 8.0 2.4/4.9 MONO-K/CB
Sloop-MH 4,750 320

Nimble Kodiak Brewer 26.4 24.3 8.5 1'10"/4'4" MONO SLOOP 3,650 1,350 285

Tripp 26 Tripp, Bill 26.7 22.0 8.7 2/6 MONO Sloop-Fr 2,900 1,000 347

Seaward 25 Hake 26.8 22.2 8.3 2.1 MONO-WK Sloop-Fr 3,600 1,200 280

Sea Pearl 28 Herreshoff 27.8 24.6 8.0 1.6/5.5 MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 4,200
1,200 296

Doug,
Have gone thru most of your list and the Macgregor's layout is by far the
most open I've seen in anything in that size range. I also like the weight
and draft.
Any idea how it sails?
Merlin.
"DSK" wrote in message
...
MMC wrote:
I'm looking to down size to a trailerable sailboat with a swing keel
around
25'-27'. I will be sailing on the Indian River in FL and need a very
shallow
draft.
I would also like to able to haul the boat without yard fees and maybe
some
trailer sailing and the vehicle I would use is a full size pickup with a
V-6
so I need to be fairly conservative with weight.
Any suggestions and personal experiences would be appreciated.

My wife and I daysailed, weekended, and cruised, in a trailerable for
over ten years. Often we went in company with fellow club members or
friends with trailerable sailboats, so we got to see a lot in action.
The boat that we chose was quite a bit smaller (19')for reasons of
practicality.

In the size range you're looking at, the most bang for the buck will be
one of these:

MacGregor 26 MacGregor LOA=25.8 LWL=23.8 Bm=7.9 Dr=1.2/5.3 MONO-WB
Sloop-Fr Disp=2,850 Ballast=1,225 SA=236

They were built from about 1987 to 1995, and their biggest flaw is that
they are bulky on land and tippy in the water. But they are relatively
fast & roomy boats. Of course nobody at the yacht club will be impressed.

If i have one suggestion, that is to keep the weight down. Lots of
people are tearing up their cars and especially their trannies & brakes
trying to tow boats that are 102% of their vehicles tow capacity. You're
far better off at about 75% or less. Remember too that trailer
maintenance is one of the trade-offs of not having to pay for a slip...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Here is a list of other trailerable boats in the size range you're
looking. There are MANY more out there.

Morgan 24 Morgan, Charles 24.5 21.0 8.0 2.8/6 MONO-K/CB Sloop 5,000
1,900 310

Windrose 25 24.7 22.1 7.8 6.3 MONO Sloop 2,500 600 228

Helms 25 Windley, Stuart 24.9 21.5 8.0 1.7/6 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,950 1,650
270


MacGregor 25 MacGregor 24.9 22.8 7.9 1.5'/5' MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,100 625
314

B-25 Bailey 25.0 21.3 8.3 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,000 800 273

Elliott 770 Elliott 25.0 23.6 8.2 1'7"/5'8" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,400 850
320

Dehler 25 Van DeStadt 25.0 19.5 8.2 1.5/4.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop 3,031 1,553
278

Bremer 25 BREMER 25.0 22.5 8.0 2.5/6.2 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 3,800 1,600 308

CATALINA 25 Butler, Frank 25.0 22.3 8.0 2.1 / 5.1 MONO-SwK Sloop-MH
4,550 1,200 270

Morgan 25 Morgan, Charles 25.0 21.5 8.0 2.8/6.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH
5,000 1,900 310

ENSENADA 25 Hankinson 25.2 22.2 7.9 2.2 MONO-CB SLOOP 3,000 1,200 278

Skimmer 25 Parker 25.4 24.0 8.2 1'4"/3'10" MONO-CB Sloop-Gaff 3,800
1,000 375

Balboa 26 Hess 25.6 20.8 8.0 1.8'/5 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,600 1,200 293

CHRYSLER 26 Herreshoff, H 25.6 22.0 8.0 2.1 / 5.7 MONO SLOOP 4,200 1,925
277

South Coast 26 Metcalf/Monroe 25.8 23.3 1.8/3.8 MONO-DrK SLOOP 4,200
1,473 250

Etap 26 Van DeStadt 25.8 21.6 9.0 3.1/5.4 MONO-DrK Sloop 5,000 1,545 384

S2 7.9 G & S 25.9 21.7 9.0 1'8"/5'2" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 4,250 1,750 329

Kent Ranger 26 Richards, Ray 26.0 22.0 8.0 2.4/4.9 MONO-K/CB
Sloop-MH 4,750 320

Nimble Kodiak Brewer 26.4 24.3 8.5 1'10"/4'4" MONO SLOOP 3,650 1,350 285

Tripp 26 Tripp, Bill 26.7 22.0 8.7 2/6 MONO Sloop-Fr 2,900 1,000 347

Seaward 25 Hake 26.8 22.2 8.3 2.1 MONO-WK Sloop-Fr 3,600 1,200 280

Sea Pearl 28 Herreshoff 27.8 24.6 8.0 1.6/5.5 MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 4,200
1,200 296

Neat design. Our last 3 boats have been cc's, I'll have to check these out.
Thanks, Merlin.
"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...


I'm looking to down size to a trailerable sailboat with a swing keel
around
25'-27'. I will be sailing on the Indian River in FL and need a very
shallow
draft.
I would also like to able to haul the boat without yard fees and maybe
some
trailer sailing and the vehicle I would use is a full size pickup with a
V-6
so I need to be fairly conservative with weight.
Any suggestions and personal experiences would be appreciated.
Merlin.

Dawson (or Parker-Dawson) 26, if you can find one.

Neat design. Our last 3 boats have been cc's, I'll have to check these out.
Thanks, Merlin.
"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...


I'm looking to down size to a trailerable sailboat with a swing keel
around
25'-27'. I will be sailing on the Indian River in FL and need a very
shallow
draft.
I would also like to able to haul the boat without yard fees and maybe
some
trailer sailing and the vehicle I would use is a full size pickup with a
V-6
so I need to be fairly conservative with weight.
Any suggestions and personal experiences would be appreciated.
Merlin.

Dawson (or Parker-Dawson) 26, if you can find one.

MMC wrote:

Doug,
Have gone thru most of your list and the Macgregor's layout is by far the
most open I've seen in anything in that size range. I also like the weight
and draft.
Any idea how it sails?

They're tender, but they're pretty fast. The older Mac 25 swing keel (as opposed
to the Mac 26 water ballast... the older model, not the PowRsailR-X model) has a
bit of reputation as a PHRF giant killer. It's heavier on the trailer though.
Because they are shoal hulls and tender, they need to be depowered & footed off
in heavy air. The crew also needs to get used to heeling!

There are a couple of faster trailerables... harder to fnd though, and most of
them are heavier. My pick would probably be the Evelyn 26 with the lifting bulb
keel, or one of the small sportsboats (much commoner in Australia than over here
though) designed by Farr or Jutson. Check out the B-25, Elliott 770, Kirby 24
(another rare bird), Tripp 26, one of the S2 trailerables, or the real cream of
the crop, the Great Harbor 26

http://www.hankhinckley.com/26top.html

Proof that you can in fact have it all.... it just costs more!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

MMC wrote:

Doug,
Have gone thru most of your list and the Macgregor's layout is by far the
most open I've seen in anything in that size range. I also like the weight
and draft.
Any idea how it sails?

They're tender, but they're pretty fast. The older Mac 25 swing keel (as opposed
to the Mac 26 water ballast... the older model, not the PowRsailR-X model) has a
bit of reputation as a PHRF giant killer. It's heavier on the trailer though.
Because they are shoal hulls and tender, they need to be depowered & footed off
in heavy air. The crew also needs to get used to heeling!

There are a couple of faster trailerables... harder to fnd though, and most of
them are heavier. My pick would probably be the Evelyn 26 with the lifting bulb
keel, or one of the small sportsboats (much commoner in Australia than over here
though) designed by Farr or Jutson. Check out the B-25, Elliott 770, Kirby 24
(another rare bird), Tripp 26, one of the S2 trailerables, or the real cream of
the crop, the Great Harbor 26

http://www.hankhinckley.com/26top.html

Proof that you can in fact have it all.... it just costs more!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

In article ,
says...


Neat design. Our last 3 boats have been cc's, I'll have to check these out.
Thanks, Merlin.

In article ,
says...


Neat design. Our last 3 boats have been cc's, I'll have to check these out.
Thanks, Merlin.

It is a lovely boat. It was our first boat, with one-cylinder Yanmar diesel
and iron swing keel. Originally sold with a trailer. That center cockpit
design made for marvelous privacy if you were only a couple or had other
people or chuildren on board for a few days. We sold ours to a man in
Washington state who had a trailer special built and dragged it all the way
from Washinton to New York in February. Then he dragged her to the Gulf to
sail, for awhile then back to Washington where the boat is now. We have lost
touch with the buyer. There also used to be a web site devoted to the boat
but it has gone belly up, I think. The boat came as both a sloop and a
ketch.

As Dawsons, the boats were built in Las Vegas, Nevada. Parker bought the
molds and produced Parker-Dawsons in Florida and then in Nausset, Mass. They
got too costly and he sold out to Nausett Marine, which built a very few as
the Nausset 26. I saw a new one -- the last one, I guess -- for sail at
Nausset some years ago.

Our present boat looks like the Dawson's mother. It's an O'Day 37 CC sloop.