I am trying to help a friend replace the steel cable that raises the
swing keel on his old San Juan 21. Do any of you have a drawing or
can you describe how the cable runs. I thought that it would run
straight from a winch at the aft end of the centerboard trunk in the
cabin down to the aft/lower end of the swing keel. But, from what we
can see so far the cable runs forward from the winch. This would only
make sense if the cable runs to a block forward of the keel and then
is attached to the aft/upper end of the keel. Since the keel is about
500 pounds, that would seem to be an unnecessarily straining design.

We have also looked at another SJ 21. Amazingly, its keel winch is at
the forward end of the centerboard trunk.

Thanks for any help you can give us.

Lee Huddleston
s/v Truelove

not familiar with the boat but how are you going to go about replacing the
cable? if you intend to haul the boat and lower the swing keel to get at
it from below then you should be able to shine a light up into the slot
and see what's up there.

Lee Huddleston ) writes:
I am trying to help a friend replace the steel cable that raises the
swing keel on his old San Juan 21. Do any of you have a drawing or
can you describe how the cable runs. I thought that it would run
straight from a winch at the aft end of the centerboard trunk in the
cabin down to the aft/lower end of the swing keel. But, from what we
can see so far the cable runs forward from the winch. This would only
make sense if the cable runs to a block forward of the keel and then
is attached to the aft/upper end of the keel. Since the keel is about
500 pounds, that would seem to be an unnecessarily straining design.

We have also looked at another SJ 21. Amazingly, its keel winch is at
the forward end of the centerboard trunk.

Thanks for any help you can give us.

Lee Huddleston
s/v Truelove



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Lee Huddleston wrote:
I am trying to help a friend replace the steel cable that raises the
swing keel on his old San Juan 21. Do any of you have a drawing or
can you describe how the cable runs.

They used at least three different configurations on these boats. The
best thing to do is going to be to remove the pivot bolt, lower the keel
out of the trunk, and replace the cable and the pivot and check inside
the trunk for damage.

If you go here
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/...ilor/index.cgi
you'll be able to talk with at least one person who has done this job on
a San Juan 21.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Thanks for the advice.

You are both right that we will have to figure out a way to drop the
keel at least some to get to the cable connection. I was just trying
to figure out how far it might have to be dropped. If the attachment
is on the aft/lower end of the keel, we might not have to do much more
than lift the stern a little. If the attachment is at the aft/upper
end, we may have to take the suggestion of completely removing the
keel by disconnecting the pivot. I would really like to avoid that
since the keel is so heavy, but may have to is there is no other way
to get up inside the well.

One of the constraints for us is the lack of any hoist in our area.
What would you think of this "crazy" idea? Since the SJ 21 is a
relatively light boat with most of the weight in the keel, carefully
slide the boat off the back of the trailer onto grass. Then roll the
boat over on its side and pull the keel out to work on it (without
disconnecting at the pivot). The boat on the trailer is only about a
foot off of the ground. It might not take too much to raise it just a
little to get it off and then back on the trailer.

Lee Huddleston

One of the constraints for us is the lack of any hoist in our area.
What would you think of this "crazy" idea? Since the SJ 21 is a
relatively light boat with most of the weight in the keel, carefully
slide the boat off the back of the trailer onto grass. Then roll the
boat over on its side and pull the keel out to work on it (without
disconnecting at the pivot). The boat on the trailer is only about a
foot off of the ground. It might not take too much to raise it just a
little to get it off and then back on the trailer.

only problem I can see is lowering the keel once the boat is on its side.
you might have to lower the keel as you roll the boat. I don't know for
sure how that particular boat would take the strain of lying on its side
on the ground but I doubt it would be a problem. You might have to spread
the strain. Someobdy else should know.

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Lee Huddleston wrote:
... If the attachment is at the aft/upper
end, we may have to take the suggestion of completely removing the
keel by disconnecting the pivot. I would really like to avoid that
since the keel is so heavy, but may have to is there is no other way
to get up inside the well.

Another option is to saw off the top of the trunk and get at it that
way. You can either build a new fiberglas top molded in place, or build
up a flange and put on a removable panel.


One of the constraints for us is the lack of any hoist in our area.
What would you think of this "crazy" idea? Since the SJ 21 is a
relatively light boat with most of the weight in the keel, carefully
slide the boat off the back of the trailer onto grass. Then roll the
boat over on its side and pull the keel out to work on it (without
disconnecting at the pivot).

I think that 1- the boat won't like sitting on it's side on a hard
surface and 2- pulling the keel out sideways is going to be a much
bigger PITA than lowering it.

... The boat on the trailer is only about a
foot off of the ground. It might not take too much to raise it just a
little to get it off and then back on the trailer.

Borrow a mechanics pit, or jack the boat up on it's trailer and prop it
up solidly to work under. You don't have to raise the boat all at once,
if you do it a little at a time it's easy & secure. All you need is a
scissors jack (or better) and a supply of cinder blocks. Or drive it
between two trees and use a chainfall to hoist it up.

There's more than one way to skin a cat!

Thanks very much to everyone who responded. I got the problem solved
with much less hassle than I anticipated.

I had based by thoughts on how to get to the connection of the cable
to the keel on the descriptions of the owner of the boat. Turns out
that was a mistake.

I did not have to cut off the top of the centerboard trunk as was
suggested. There was a piece that simply unscrewed and gave complete
access to the top of the keel and the entire system.

I found that the cable does, surprisingly, attach to the upper/aft end
of the keel. It goes like this: The end of the cable goes through a
hole in the mast compression post and is pinned with a bolt. The
cable runs aft to a block attached to the keel. It makes a 180 degree
turn and then run forward to a sheeve (sp?) also in the forward side
of the mast compression post. The cable makes another 180 degree turn
around the sheeve and heads aft through a hole in the top of the
centerboard trunk to a winch on the aft end of the trunk. Did that
make sense?

The point is, the entire apparatus is accessible from the cabin (with
the keel up).

Local folks have recommended using a galvanized steel cable designed
for a trailer winch rather than trying to use stainless steel.
Besides the significant difference in cost, the galvanized steel will
wind on the winch easier without breaking. Since we are sailing in
fresh water, the galvanized probably will last for many years without
rusting. What do you all think?

Lee Huddleston

Lee Huddleston wrote:
Thanks very much to everyone who responded. I got the problem solved
with much less hassle than I anticipated.

Was your boat built in New Bern? A lot of the SJ21s built there have the
access panel, I think the west coast boats kept the trunk solid for a
few years after.

Local folks have recommended using a galvanized steel cable designed
for a trailer winch rather than trying to use stainless steel.

Galzanized is more flexible and will hold up better. The only issue is
that the galzanizing will break down after a few years and then the rust
cycle starts again... but you've gained some time. Menawhile, now you
know how to replace it!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Lee Huddleston ) writes:

I found that the cable does, surprisingly, attach to the upper/aft end
of the keel. It goes like this: The end of the cable goes through a
hole in the mast compression post and is pinned with a bolt. The
cable runs aft to a block attached to the keel. It makes a 180 degree
turn and then run forward to a sheeve (sp?) also in the forward side
of the mast compression post. The cable makes another 180 degree turn
around the sheeve and heads aft through a hole in the top of the
centerboard trunk to a winch on the aft end of the trunk. Did that
make sense?

running the cable thorough blocks like that provides mechanical advantage
which reduces the force needed to raise the 500 lb. I think from your
description the force is 1/3 of what you'd need to raise the weight directly.


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Doug King,

The boat belongs to a friend, but I suspect that you are correct.
There was an access panel on top of the centerboard trunk that made
working on the cable a snap. My late brother had a SJ21 which does
not have the access panel.

Lee Huddleston