Larry wrote:


Larry, I always though you had a better grasp of the techincal issues.

In article
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RichH wrote:

Noone stores thousands of gallons of jet fuel in these buildings so
the 'risk' isnt great.

Actually, that is not a "True" Statement for Building 7, at the WTC.
Building 7 had the new New York City Emergency Operations Center in
it, and had Backup Diesel Gensets in the MegaWatt Class, as part of
the Center. Included with the Gensets were Fuel Tanks with 30K+ of
diesel fuel, to operate the Center, should there be a Major Power
Outage in the city.

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 13:50:28 -0500, wrote:

Had one just a couple of years ago on I-95 in Connecticut. Brand new bridge,
too. The tanker truck fire melted the structure and the whole mess had to be
torn out and built from scratch again.

Yes, and there was another one in Westchester County near Yonkers.

wrote:

There may be a slight difference when the fuel gets poured in from the top,
rather than being stored in tanks in the basement.


Yeah, except the pumps were running even though the fuel lines were
ruptured, pumping the fuel up to the fire floor....

Cheers
Marty

wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:38:10 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:12:05 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

Any reason saboteurs trying to secretly collapse buildings would go to
great trouble to make them "collapse in their footprint" like a
controlled demolition?
Everything always falls straight down. That is the direction the force
of gravity acts. What do you think fall means?
Do you have any idea how much trouble demolition experts have to go to
to make buildings "fall in their footprint?" Tall buildings don't
crumple straight down. No one on earth, including all the designers of
the building knew that you could cause an explosion and fire that high
up in the towers and they would collapse, let alone collapse roughly
straight down and take out the rest of the building as it collapses.

Stephen

Well, they know now.

Except for future designers of skyscrapers, it's not going to do anyone
any good because the twin towers were a unique design. If I'm not
mistaken that aren't any other significant buildings designed the way
those were.

Stephen

On 2008-02-08 20:54:00 -0500, Larry said:

Paul Cassel wrote in
:

You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day.

I voted for GW Bush, not once, but twice.....

So much for that ****, too.....(sigh)

See, I knew we'd have an interesting conversation when we meet.... ;-)

(I also voted twice for the lesser evil, but had friends IN the towers,
and a brother that seemed MIA for a few days that *should* have been
under them about that time. He happened to be on a vacation without
informing the family.)

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
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On 2008-02-09 09:29:44 -0500, Larry said:

The American mainstream media is licensed by the FCC. Do you really
think they are not a propaganda arm of the US Government?

I may agree that the mainstream media is a "propaganda arm", but not of
the FCC or the public face of the US Government.

Boats are documented with the Coast Guard. Does that make us "arms" of
Homeland Security?

(Okay, well, yes: If I see something suspicious, I'll call it in, but
that's not quite the same thing. That's just being a good neighbor.)

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On 2008-02-09 00:16:08 -0500, RichH said:

Larry ----
Its been confirmed now by several universities that foaming at the
mouth liberalism that invokes silly conspiracy theories, chest beating,
etc. ... is simply a genetic defect.

Rich,

I may be tilting at windmills, but that sort of personal attack gets my goat.

Though I (may) hold a diametrically-opposed position to Larry on this
subject, I know that calling him bad names won't change his mind or
advance the discussion.

You're not the only person I could similarly rant against, but you seem
one that will stop and listen.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
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On 2008-02-09 12:25:10 -0500, Paul Cassel
said:

Larry wrote:

Referring to the Pentagon as the Pentagram surely reinforces your case
that you are a well balanced citizen who is concerned about some
history.

-paul

I noted that as well, but it gave me a chuckle.

I'm hardly a conspiritist, but Pentagon/Pentragram was an obvious
connection when I first heard about the building when I was about 10,
maybe 45 years ago.

Why the hell would anyone design a five-sided building of that size?

That's something I file under "sounded good at the time". Sensible? Not
a chance.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:38:10 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

Everything always falls straight down. That is the direction the force
of gravity acts. What do you think fall means?

Do you have any idea how much trouble demolition experts have to go to
to make buildings "fall in their footprint?" Tall buildings don't
crumple straight down. No one on earth, including all the designers of
the building knew that you could cause an explosion and fire that high
up in the towers and they would collapse, let alone collapse roughly
straight down and take out the rest of the building as it collapses.

The design of the WTC almost certainly had an effect on the mode of
collapse. Almost all of the vertical support for the structures was
concentrated in the outer perimeter. The interior spaces were very
open and had very little structural steel with the exception of the
elevator core. The unusually strong perimeter walls helped to focus
the the falling floors inward. All it took was one floor to collapse
to set off the whole chain reaction. I saw the towers go up over the
course of several years back in the late 60s when I was working two
blocks away on Wall Street, and I saw them come down from acoss the
river in New Jersey.