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Dual use of Cockpit Speakers??
"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
... Never, EVER connect two transistor amplifiers in parallel...... snip large story Actually, in high power car systems, they do exactly what you just said that cannot be done. In such systems, each channel has two amplifiers, carrying the signal in opposite phase. The speaker is connected to both outputs. This way, the maximum voltage that can be created across the speaker is doubled. So based on this same principle, it would be possible to connect the speaker between the hot wires of the outputs of the VHF and the radio..... The only thing that spoils the fun is the fact that the DC blocking capacitor in series with the output expects the speaker to be connected to ground. So an extra electrolytic capacitor of 1000uF with the minus to one output and the plus to one side of the speaker is needed. Another possible problem is the power: both amplifiers must be able to withstand the power output of the other. In the above example of a high power car system, this is the case. However, the amplifier of a VHF will probably not tolerate the much higher power of an average car stereo. To make a long story short: take Larry's advice and don't do it. But technically it is possible. Meindert |
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Dual use of Cockpit Speakers??
"Rick Curtis" wrote in message
om... Steve, The easiest way to do it without a switch is to use 1N4004 diodes on each of the four speaker wires where you hook the two sources to one speaker. This will keep the signal from going from one source to the other source. If you don't know what I mean, let me know and I'll send you a simple wiring diagram. That will definately NOT work. You will protect the amplifers all right, but you are effectively rectifying AC current, resulting in very bad to no audio at all. To get technical: in series with the output is a large capacitor that is charged to half of the supply voltage of the amplifier. This voltage stays at that level, because the average voltage and thus the current though the speaker of an AC signal is 0. If you now put a diode in series with the speaker, the average is not 0 anymore because positive current is passed and negative current is blocked. First, this distorts the signal heavily. Second, it causes this capacitor to charge to full supply voltage, until no current is flowing at all anymore. No current = no audio. Meindert |
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Dual use of Cockpit Speakers??
"Rick Curtis" wrote in message
om... Steve, The easiest way to do it without a switch is to use 1N4004 diodes on each of the four speaker wires where you hook the two sources to one speaker. This will keep the signal from going from one source to the other source. If you don't know what I mean, let me know and I'll send you a simple wiring diagram. That will definately NOT work. You will protect the amplifers all right, but you are effectively rectifying AC current, resulting in very bad to no audio at all. To get technical: in series with the output is a large capacitor that is charged to half of the supply voltage of the amplifier. This voltage stays at that level, because the average voltage and thus the current though the speaker of an AC signal is 0. If you now put a diode in series with the speaker, the average is not 0 anymore because positive current is passed and negative current is blocked. First, this distorts the signal heavily. Second, it causes this capacitor to charge to full supply voltage, until no current is flowing at all anymore. No current = no audio. Meindert |
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Dual use of Cockpit Speakers??
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Dave wrote: This brings to mind a question I've been wondering about. Used to be that when you had the radio on you were supposed to monitor channel 16. However from what I've read the general calling channel is now channel 9. So which are you supposed to monitor these days? The International Calling and Distress Frequency is Ch. 16 VHF. VFH Ch. 9 is a Calling Channel for "Non-Commercial Users". This was instituted to move "Non-commercial Calling Traffic" off Ch. 16 in High User Density Areas in the USA. If you are a Manditory Required User, you MUST Monitor Ch.16 while underway, unless you are in a VTS Reporting System Area. If you are a Volintary Equipped User, then you have a choice of either Ch. 16 or Ch. 9. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
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In article ,
Dave wrote: This brings to mind a question I've been wondering about. Used to be that when you had the radio on you were supposed to monitor channel 16. However from what I've read the general calling channel is now channel 9. So which are you supposed to monitor these days? The International Calling and Distress Frequency is Ch. 16 VHF. VFH Ch. 9 is a Calling Channel for "Non-Commercial Users". This was instituted to move "Non-commercial Calling Traffic" off Ch. 16 in High User Density Areas in the USA. If you are a Manditory Required User, you MUST Monitor Ch.16 while underway, unless you are in a VTS Reporting System Area. If you are a Volintary Equipped User, then you have a choice of either Ch. 16 or Ch. 9. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
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Dual use of Cockpit Speakers??
What do they use for cell phone hook-ups where the cell call audio is
connected to your car's stereo system? Is that something that could be adapted? Eric "Steve" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers in the cockpit coaming for the AM/FM radio.. I would like to figure out a way to connect the VHF external speaker to one of these, so I can hear any calls on it in scan or monitoring of ch16. Both radios are below deck so I can only hear them in the cockpit on a remote speaker.. I know I could just use a toggle switch, but would prefer to find a way to combine both outputs so the VHF would be heard over the AM/FM output. Is there a simple way to do this and prevent one unit from harming the other?? Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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Dual use of Cockpit Speakers??
What do they use for cell phone hook-ups where the cell call audio is
connected to your car's stereo system? Is that something that could be adapted? Eric "Steve" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers in the cockpit coaming for the AM/FM radio.. I would like to figure out a way to connect the VHF external speaker to one of these, so I can hear any calls on it in scan or monitoring of ch16. Both radios are below deck so I can only hear them in the cockpit on a remote speaker.. I know I could just use a toggle switch, but would prefer to find a way to combine both outputs so the VHF would be heard over the AM/FM output. Is there a simple way to do this and prevent one unit from harming the other?? Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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Dual use of Cockpit Speakers??
I found one unit made by RF Systems - I think it would do exactly what
you want. A bit pricey, in my opinion, at about $100. Google "automatic speaker switch" to find more. See: http://www.rfsystems.com/si-2.htm and http://www.homecontrols.com/cgi-bin/...1969/sesent/00 Eric "Steve" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers in the cockpit coaming for the AM/FM radio.. I would like to figure out a way to connect the VHF external speaker to one of these, so I can hear any calls on it in scan or monitoring of ch16. Both radios are below deck so I can only hear them in the cockpit on a remote speaker.. I know I could just use a toggle switch, but would prefer to find a way to combine both outputs so the VHF would be heard over the AM/FM output. Is there a simple way to do this and prevent one unit from harming the other?? Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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Dual use of Cockpit Speakers??
I found one unit made by RF Systems - I think it would do exactly what
you want. A bit pricey, in my opinion, at about $100. Google "automatic speaker switch" to find more. See: http://www.rfsystems.com/si-2.htm and http://www.homecontrols.com/cgi-bin/...1969/sesent/00 Eric "Steve" wrote in message ... I have a pair of speakers in the cockpit coaming for the AM/FM radio.. I would like to figure out a way to connect the VHF external speaker to one of these, so I can hear any calls on it in scan or monitoring of ch16. Both radios are below deck so I can only hear them in the cockpit on a remote speaker.. I know I could just use a toggle switch, but would prefer to find a way to combine both outputs so the VHF would be heard over the AM/FM output. Is there a simple way to do this and prevent one unit from harming the other?? Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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Dual use of Cockpit Speakers??
"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message ...
"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... Never, EVER connect two transistor amplifiers in parallel...... Actually, in high power car systems, they do exactly what you just said that cannot be done. In such systems, each channel has two amplifiers, carrying the signal in opposite phase. The speaker is connected to both outputs. This way, the maximum voltage that can be created across the speaker is doubled. First of all, to do what you describe (double the max. voltage) the amplifiers would be connected in series not in parallel. Secondly, as you say, both amplifiers are fed the same input signal in opposite phase, not different signals as has been suggested. This technique is called "bridging" and has been used for years in concert hall PA systems and other applications where LOTS of decibels are desired (such as ridiculously over powered car stereos). Connecting two transistor amps in parallel with different input signals is only a good idea if both the VHF and the AM/FM radios are old and you'd like to replace them but you wife won't let you because "they work just fine". ;-) Don't do it. Bob |
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