Right, Jaxie, a line squall isn't visible at a distance through the warm, humid
air the precedes it. And fast moving lines often don't develop the tradition
"anvils," and when they do occur they pop up fairly quickly. When a front is
coming through, its nice to be able to visualize the "prefrontal squall line" to
know what's coming.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming, if
one just pays attention.

Your trig may be correct as far as the altitude is concerned but
practically speaking, you can rarely see anything 300 nm away.

I would agree they don't tend to come up on you in 10 minutes but it
may take a lot longer than 10 minutes to get to a safe
harbor/dock/anchorage.

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming, if
one just pays attention.

Your trig may be correct as far as the altitude is concerned but
practically speaking, you can rarely see anything 300 nm away.

I would agree they don't tend to come up on you in 10 minutes but it
may take a lot longer than 10 minutes to get to a safe
harbor/dock/anchorage.

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming, if
one just pays attention.

Gosh, maybe I need new glasses - when I'm in the Bay off Annapolis, I
just can't see those clouds over Morgantown, West Virginia - a mere
165 nm away.

In fact, from the top of Old Rag mountain at over 3200 feet, most days
I can't make out Washington, D.C. a mere 70 miles away (needless to
say, I don't do this in a sailboat).

Maybe I need Lasik!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming, if
one just pays attention.

Gosh, maybe I need new glasses - when I'm in the Bay off Annapolis, I
just can't see those clouds over Morgantown, West Virginia - a mere
165 nm away.

In fact, from the top of Old Rag mountain at over 3200 feet, most days
I can't make out Washington, D.C. a mere 70 miles away (needless to
say, I don't do this in a sailboat).

Maybe I need Lasik!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming, if
one just pays attention.

There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming, if
one just pays attention.

There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming - ask the folks that got slammed down on Lake
Norman a few years ago. And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer - that's not, as they say,
"action-able" information. I would suggest using any and every source
of information available.

E

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
jeff, ONLY a sailor of training wheels is totally oblivious to an approaching
thunderstorm until 10 minutes before it arrives. The rest of us know their
potential exists for that particular day well before we cast off, and we can
see one developing for a couple hours or more. This ain't rocket science,
except to those floating on training wheels (who be definition are scared
squatless of the water).

I used cell phone radar last season, and it came in handy. Aside from the
obvious advantage of
having an hour or two's notice of t-storms, rather than 10 minutes, its nice
to be able to plan
shore trips, etc.

On 28 Jan 2004 13:34:45 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

jeff, ONLY a sailor of training wheels is totally oblivious to an approaching
thunderstorm until 10 minutes before it arrives. The rest of us know their
potential exists for that particular day well before we cast off, and we can
see one developing for a couple hours or more. This ain't rocket science,
except to those floating on training wheels (who be definition are scared
squatless of the water).

We now know, tragically, that this is complete BS.

Steve

schlackoff? Are you saying the CG should require that ALL water taxis carry --
and monitor -- a radar enabled cell phone?

Do suppose it might be more effective to require water taxi drivers to be able
to understand weather?

Hey! Wait a minute! Water taxi drivers are required to be able to understand
weather.

So, schlackoff are you trying to tell us you have stock in some startup cell
phone company? Did you pick up Bernie Ebbers stock for pennies?

(JAXAshby) wrote:

jeff, ONLY a sailor of training wheels is totally oblivious to an
approaching
thunderstorm until 10 minutes before it arrives. The rest of us know their
potential exists for that particular day well before we cast off, and we can
see one developing for a couple hours or more. This ain't rocket science,
except to those floating on training wheels (who be definition are scared
squatless of the water).

We now know, tragically, that this is complete BS.

Steve

On 07 Mar 2004 15:51:45 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

schlackoff? Are you saying the CG should require that ALL water taxis carry --
and monitor -- a radar enabled cell phone?

Um, no. I'm saying that, as many have argued in the thread and as has
now been proven, your statement (quoted here again

jeff, ONLY a sailor of training wheels is totally oblivious to an
approaching
thunderstorm until 10 minutes before it arrives. The rest of us know their
potential exists for that particular day well before we cast off, and we can
see one developing for a couple hours or more. This ain't rocket science,
except to those floating on training wheels (who be definition are scared
squatless of the water).

is total BS.

Do suppose it might be more effective to require water taxi drivers to be able
to understand weather?

Hey! Wait a minute! Water taxi drivers are required to be able to understand
weather.

Understanding the weather wouldn't have mattered a whit in this case,
which is the point. There was a total of 10 minutes of warning for the
cell that hit the taxi. 10 minutes is nowhere near your claim of seeing
potential storms developing for hours or more. I.e, what happened is
exactly what you said can't happen. Your claim that "we can
see one developing for a couple hours or more" is now unequivocally
proven to be total BS, just as we all suspected.

Steve