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Steven Shelikoff January 28th 04 11:40 AM

Useful gadgets
 
On 28 Jan 2004 02:05:18 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

then how come you are such a dumb squat when it comes to radar?

I probably spend more time as
radar observer, on my week off, than you do in a year.


indeed, you didn't even know you need nearly flat water to see low rocks with
radar, as witness your statement below:


That may have been true in the 40's and 50's. It's not true anymore.
There are all sorts of techniques modern radars use to find things like
low rocks in sea clutter, from simple ones like scan averaging and
doppler filtering to complex adaptive filters which model the sea
clutter and remove it.

Steve

Armond Perretta January 28th 04 12:38 PM

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Dave wrote:
"Armond Perretta" said:

Who said anything about "submerged"?


I did. To make a point. Rather effective, no?



You snip better than Rumsfield/Bush, "Dave." Let's review the bidding. The
uncensored version of the exchange is:

quoted
Dave wrote ...
Armond wrote ...
Dave wrote:
"Armond Perretta" said
Dave wrote:
Armond wrote:

Any person who
regularly operates ... without radar in ...
decreased visibility (and I include ... darkness in this
category) is ... taking the position that "its up to the
other guy to avoid me."

As to darkness, nonsense. That's why vessels have running lights.

When was the last time you saw a rock with running lights ... ?

When was the last time you saw a submerged [sic] rock on radar? ...


Who said anything about "submerged"?


I did. To make a point. Rather effective, no?


/quoted


It is left as an exercise for the reader to determine the effectives of this
form of logic. Good sailing to ya, "Dave."

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.tripod.com







Armond Perretta January 28th 04 12:38 PM

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Dave wrote:
"Armond Perretta" said:

Who said anything about "submerged"?


I did. To make a point. Rather effective, no?



You snip better than Rumsfield/Bush, "Dave." Let's review the bidding. The
uncensored version of the exchange is:

quoted
Dave wrote ...
Armond wrote ...
Dave wrote:
"Armond Perretta" said
Dave wrote:
Armond wrote:

Any person who
regularly operates ... without radar in ...
decreased visibility (and I include ... darkness in this
category) is ... taking the position that "its up to the
other guy to avoid me."

As to darkness, nonsense. That's why vessels have running lights.

When was the last time you saw a rock with running lights ... ?

When was the last time you saw a submerged [sic] rock on radar? ...


Who said anything about "submerged"?


I did. To make a point. Rather effective, no?


/quoted


It is left as an exercise for the reader to determine the effectives of this
form of logic. Good sailing to ya, "Dave."

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.tripod.com







JAXAshby January 28th 04 01:30 PM

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steve, no one talking here about the radar on military ships. we are talking
about the radar on recreational sailboats. go back to sleep.

then how come you are such a dumb squat when it comes to radar?

I probably spend more time as
radar observer, on my week off, than you do in a year.


indeed, you didn't even know you need nearly flat water to see low rocks

with
radar, as witness your statement below:


That may have been true in the 40's and 50's. It's not true anymore.
There are all sorts of techniques modern radars use to find things like
low rocks in sea clutter, from simple ones like scan averaging and
doppler filtering to complex adaptive filters which model the sea
clutter and remove it.

Steve









JAXAshby January 28th 04 01:30 PM

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steve, no one talking here about the radar on military ships. we are talking
about the radar on recreational sailboats. go back to sleep.

then how come you are such a dumb squat when it comes to radar?

I probably spend more time as
radar observer, on my week off, than you do in a year.


indeed, you didn't even know you need nearly flat water to see low rocks

with
radar, as witness your statement below:


That may have been true in the 40's and 50's. It's not true anymore.
There are all sorts of techniques modern radars use to find things like
low rocks in sea clutter, from simple ones like scan averaging and
doppler filtering to complex adaptive filters which model the sea
clutter and remove it.

Steve









Parallax January 28th 04 03:07 PM

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Jack Dale wrote in message . ..
On 24 Jan 2004 09:18:25 -0800, (Parallax)
wrote:


Any other useful things?


Portland Plotter - after one of my coastal navigation students showed
me one I put away the parallel rules. I still like a Douglas
protractor, but I use the parallel rules as an antique. The Plotter
is my mainstay.

After I demonstrate all 3, almost all of my students opt for the
Portland Plotter.

Jack



Portland Plotter? I'll do a search on it.

I hate the parallel rules because they are hard to use with the chart
spread on a pitching cabin floor. Instead I use my hand bearing
compass mounted to aplastic square I can align with north and
perpendicular to the edge of the chart. I have a protractor mounted
to it so I can rotate it about the compass axis. Works for me.
Around here, in most cases, i can ignore the difference between
magnetic north and true north.

I seriously considered the Fujinon 10X50 binocs with internal compass
but decided that I have never wanted to take a bearing on anything
with binocs so bought the ones without the compass. So, I still use
my trusty Suunto hand compass (the kind with the mirror) that has
lasted through many caving and sailing trips.

Parallax January 28th 04 03:07 PM

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Jack Dale wrote in message . ..
On 24 Jan 2004 09:18:25 -0800, (Parallax)
wrote:


Any other useful things?


Portland Plotter - after one of my coastal navigation students showed
me one I put away the parallel rules. I still like a Douglas
protractor, but I use the parallel rules as an antique. The Plotter
is my mainstay.

After I demonstrate all 3, almost all of my students opt for the
Portland Plotter.

Jack



Portland Plotter? I'll do a search on it.

I hate the parallel rules because they are hard to use with the chart
spread on a pitching cabin floor. Instead I use my hand bearing
compass mounted to aplastic square I can align with north and
perpendicular to the edge of the chart. I have a protractor mounted
to it so I can rotate it about the compass axis. Works for me.
Around here, in most cases, i can ignore the difference between
magnetic north and true north.

I seriously considered the Fujinon 10X50 binocs with internal compass
but decided that I have never wanted to take a bearing on anything
with binocs so bought the ones without the compass. So, I still use
my trusty Suunto hand compass (the kind with the mirror) that has
lasted through many caving and sailing trips.

Florida Keyz January 28th 04 03:27 PM

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those who can't, teach,, and those who can't and can't teach, are Jaxz!

Florida Keyz January 28th 04 03:27 PM

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those who can't, teach,, and those who can't and can't teach, are Jaxz!

Jack Dale January 28th 04 04:19 PM

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On 28 Jan 2004 07:07:38 -0800, (Parallax)
wrote:

Jack Dale wrote in message . ..
On 24 Jan 2004 09:18:25 -0800,
(Parallax)
wrote:


Any other useful things?


Portland Plotter - after one of my coastal navigation students showed
me one I put away the parallel rules. I still like a Douglas
protractor, but I use the parallel rules as an antique. The Plotter
is my mainstay.

After I demonstrate all 3, almost all of my students opt for the
Portland Plotter.

Jack



Portland Plotter? I'll do a search on it.

I hate the parallel rules because they are hard to use with the chart
spread on a pitching cabin floor. Instead I use my hand bearing
compass mounted to aplastic square I can align with north and
perpendicular to the edge of the chart. I have a protractor mounted
to it so I can rotate it about the compass axis. Works for me.
Around here, in most cases, i can ignore the difference between
magnetic north and true north.


The Portland Plotter has a scale that permits instant conversion for
variation. We have 19 degrees east in the Gulf Islands.

The manufacturer's web site is:

http://www.blundellharling.co.uk/nav...ucts/index.asp

Jack

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Jack Dale
Swiftsure Sailing Academy
Director/ISPA and CYA Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
Phone: 1 (877) 470-SAIL (toll free)
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