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hey shun, he only *thinks* he is talking about water with seas, but he is not.
He is, in fact, talking about flat water. That he is ignorant of that fact in
no way changes that fact.

go back to sleep, shun.

bud-bud, you are talking about using radar in flat calm water, not water
with
movement. In anything but flat calm water you can even see a fiberglass
sailboat, let alone a submerged reef or rock.

Jax, as others have said, you need to get back on your "meds".
He was NOT talking about flat calm conditions, alone. He was discussing calm
as
well as conditions where a sea is running.
As he said, you don't have enough basic knowledge or experience to understand
any of this.


besides, why are you wandering around in unknown waters in a fog at speed?
dumb.

No one said anything about "at speed", but as to the rest, that's why one has
charts, GPS's, Radar, Fathometers, etc., coupled with the ability to use
them.
Again, probably beyond your comprehension.

Shen

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Subject: Useful gadgets
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 01/28/2004 11:13 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

hey shun, he only *thinks* he is talking about water with seas, but he is
not.
He is, in fact, talking about flat water. That he is ignorant of that fact
in
no way changes that fact.

go back to sleep, shun.


LOL Which is it, you don't know enough about or have used radar enough to
understand how one might see a reef line or a low lying (or even awash) rock,
on radar with a sea running? Or are you assuming that since it's beyond you're
limited knowledge, it's impossible and can't be happening?

Shen

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Subject: Useful gadgets
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 01/28/2004 11:13 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

hey shun, he only *thinks* he is talking about water with seas, but he is
not.
He is, in fact, talking about flat water. That he is ignorant of that fact
in
no way changes that fact.

go back to sleep, shun.


LOL Which is it, you don't know enough about or have used radar enough to
understand how one might see a reef line or a low lying (or even awash) rock,
on radar with a sea running? Or are you assuming that since it's beyond you're
limited knowledge, it's impossible and can't be happening?

Shen

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Jax, You got radar on your 14 ft. Bayliner??

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Jax, You got radar on your 14 ft. Bayliner??

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Think about the binocs with bearing compass again.
They work both ways -
By which I mean,
you can get a bearing if you are force to actually navigate (some I do
by either force of habit of five+ decades on the water or maybe even
genetic), or
if you should be looking for something that the little box says
is at such bearing and eyes can't pull it out of the dark or haze - grab
the binocs and go to the bearing - usually - once I have found it the
first time it is easy the next.

Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e"
Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Mariner and Congenital Sailor

Parallax wrote:

(Parallax) wrote in message . com...

Jack Dale wrote in message . ..

On 24 Jan 2004 09:18:25 -0800, (Parallax)
wrote:



Any other useful things?

Portland Plotter - after one of my coastal navigation students showed
me one I put away the parallel rules. I still like a Douglas
protractor, but I use the parallel rules as an antique. The Plotter
is my mainstay.

After I demonstrate all 3, almost all of my students opt for the
Portland Plotter.

Jack


Oh, so that's a Portland Plotter. I actually used once when I flew on
a friends AeroStar plane in the late 80s. Useful in confined areas
for doing stuff with charts.

Thanks (the best gadget yet, simple and effective)

Portland Plotter? I'll do a search on it.

I hate the parallel rules because they are hard to use with the chart
spread on a pitching cabin floor. Instead I use my hand bearing
compass mounted to aplastic square I can align with north and
perpendicular to the edge of the chart. I have a protractor mounted
to it so I can rotate it about the compass axis. Works for me.
Around here, in most cases, i can ignore the difference between
magnetic north and true north.

I seriously considered the Fujinon 10X50 binocs with internal compass
but decided that I have never wanted to take a bearing on anything
with binocs so bought the ones without the compass. So, I still use
my trusty Suunto hand compass (the kind with the mirror) that has
lasted through many caving and sailing trips.

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Think about the binocs with bearing compass again.
They work both ways -
By which I mean,
you can get a bearing if you are force to actually navigate (some I do
by either force of habit of five+ decades on the water or maybe even
genetic), or
if you should be looking for something that the little box says
is at such bearing and eyes can't pull it out of the dark or haze - grab
the binocs and go to the bearing - usually - once I have found it the
first time it is easy the next.

Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e"
Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Mariner and Congenital Sailor

Parallax wrote:

(Parallax) wrote in message . com...

Jack Dale wrote in message . ..

On 24 Jan 2004 09:18:25 -0800, (Parallax)
wrote:



Any other useful things?

Portland Plotter - after one of my coastal navigation students showed
me one I put away the parallel rules. I still like a Douglas
protractor, but I use the parallel rules as an antique. The Plotter
is my mainstay.

After I demonstrate all 3, almost all of my students opt for the
Portland Plotter.

Jack


Oh, so that's a Portland Plotter. I actually used once when I flew on
a friends AeroStar plane in the late 80s. Useful in confined areas
for doing stuff with charts.

Thanks (the best gadget yet, simple and effective)

Portland Plotter? I'll do a search on it.

I hate the parallel rules because they are hard to use with the chart
spread on a pitching cabin floor. Instead I use my hand bearing
compass mounted to aplastic square I can align with north and
perpendicular to the edge of the chart. I have a protractor mounted
to it so I can rotate it about the compass axis. Works for me.
Around here, in most cases, i can ignore the difference between
magnetic north and true north.

I seriously considered the Fujinon 10X50 binocs with internal compass
but decided that I have never wanted to take a bearing on anything
with binocs so bought the ones without the compass. So, I still use
my trusty Suunto hand compass (the kind with the mirror) that has
lasted through many caving and sailing trips.

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the Mk I Eyeball on my Sunfish, the classic model without the sissy footwell.

Jax, You got radar on your 14 ft. Bayliner??

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the Mk I Eyeball on my Sunfish, the classic model without the sissy footwell.

Jax, You got radar on your 14 ft. Bayliner??

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shun, you are babbling. Go back and reread the posts. Like Ragu, it's in
there.

Subject: Useful gadgets
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 01/28/2004 11:13 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

hey shun, he only *thinks* he is talking about water with seas, but he is
not.
He is, in fact, talking about flat water. That he is ignorant of that fact
in
no way changes that fact.

go back to sleep, shun.


LOL Which is it, you don't know enough about or have used radar enough to
understand how one might see a reef line or a low lying (or even awash) rock,
on radar with a sea running? Or are you assuming that since it's beyond
you're
limited knowledge, it's impossible and can't be happening?

Shen