On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:
We will be selling it here in El-Lago at the dock, and hang a shingle
on the internet. ....
Thanks for your support.
Joe

Hi Joe:

Since youre carrying cargo for hire I am assuming RedCloud is USCG
Documented Coast Wise, compiles to the USCG manning requirements, and
of course when you off load those beans in the US its with union
longshore on a union dock?

Do you have a master's ticket Bob?

Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my
cargo.

I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a
custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the
USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect..

So the boat with all the new (2005) LED lights you installed compiles
with whatever CFR Sub Chapter category RedCloud meets?

Would I install them if they did not? (2005)?

Oh, now that your a cargo boat does your insurance company know about
this?????

What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured
beyond liability in most places.

Or is this just some fly-by-night owner trying to dodge the IRS Hobby
Loss problem by helping poor children and smuggling coffee scam?

WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem?

Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the
air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair?

Good luck when you get boarded.................

Thanks

Joe



Bob

On Nov 10, 3:38 pm, Joe wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:

Do you have a master's ticket Bob?

Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my
cargo.

I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a
custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the
USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect..

Would I install them if they did not? (2005)?


What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured
beyond liability in most places.

WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem?

Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the
air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair?
Thanks
Joe


Hello Joe:

In all sincerity Joe, unless I misunderstood your post, you are going
to a foreign nation, buying 10,000 lbs of XYZ, transporting it with a
vessel, then offload and sell XYZ in the USA. Now unless I missed
something you are selling those beans in the US and NOT using them for
personal consumption, no?

What compounds my concern regarding your plan most is your response
where you: 1) insult my intelligence, 2) question my USCG license/
rating, and used a personal attack typically found at
alt.asa.sailing.

For example, "...Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt
Kangaroo off the air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out
the armchair...?"

With that type of response I wonder how you will treat your customers
or those poor needy children?

Personally, after reading your response I will not buy any of your
beans nor will I recommend anyone else buy your beans. I think what
really speaks most loudly is your internet post history. You have a
rather long track record with a tiresomely predictable pattern.
Bob

On Nov 11, 12:03 am, Bob wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:38 pm, Joe wrote:

On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:
Do you have a master's ticket Bob?
Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my
cargo.
I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a
custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the
USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect..
Would I install them if they did not? (2005)?
What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured
beyond liability in most places.
WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem?
Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the
air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair?
Thanks
Joe

Hello Joe:

In all sincerity Joe, unless I misunderstood your post, you are going
to a foreign nation, buying 10,000 lbs of XYZ, transporting it with a
vessel, then offload and sell XYZ in the USA. Now unless I missed
something you are selling those beans in the US and NOT using them for
personal consumption, no?

What compounds my concern regarding your plan most is your response
where you: 1) insult my intelligence, 2) question my USCG license/
rating, and used a personal attack typically found at
alt.asa.sailing.

For example, "...Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt
Kangaroo off the air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out
the armchair...?"

With that type of response I wonder how you will treat your customers
or those poor needy children?

Personally, after reading your response I will not buy any of your
beans nor will I recommend anyone else buy your beans. I think what
really speaks most loudly is your internet post history. You have a
rather long track record with a tiresomely predictable pattern.
Bob

Bob

Let me try to set you on course. I'm going to C.A. on my boat as a
vacation, and while I'm there I'm going to buy some coffee. Just like
you might drive your RV to Canada or Mexico and buy a wood carving to
put in your trinket shop. As long as you declare your purchace to
customs, and pay any tarriffs or taxes it's legal. As long as my
vessel is making what is deemed a safe passage I can sail where I want
with what ever I want to have on board as long as it's legal and I
have reciepts and check in and clear with the country of purchace, and
have the proper documentation. As long as the facility I buy any food
from is registered with the FDA , and my coffee stand is registered
with the FDA, and my coffee clears customs, I can sell the coffee in
the USA.

I assure you my safety equipment and boat exceeds any requirement to
be deemed to make a safe passage as compared to the 1000's of other
private vessels sailing to C.A. and the Caribbean.

Joe

"Bob" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Nov 10, 3:38 pm, Joe wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:

Do you have a master's ticket Bob?

Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my
cargo.

I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a
custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the
USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect..

Would I install them if they did not? (2005)?


What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured
beyond liability in most places.

WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem?

Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the
air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair?
Thanks
Joe


Hello Joe:

In all sincerity Joe, unless I misunderstood your post, you are going
to a foreign nation, buying 10,000 lbs of XYZ, transporting it with a
vessel, then offload and sell XYZ in the USA. Now unless I missed
something you are selling those beans in the US and NOT using them for
personal consumption, no?

What compounds my concern regarding your plan most is your response
where you: 1) insult my intelligence, 2) question my USCG license/
rating, and used a personal attack typically found at
alt.asa.sailing.

For example, "...Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt
Kangaroo off the air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out
the armchair...?"

With that type of response I wonder how you will treat your customers
or those poor needy children?

Personally, after reading your response I will not buy any of your
beans nor will I recommend anyone else buy your beans. I think what
really speaks most loudly is your internet post history. You have a
rather long track record with a tiresomely predictable pattern.
Bob



Joe's been hanging around alt.sailing.asa for quite some time. He's
demonstrated he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. His attitude is one or
arrogance. His feelings are easily hurt. He's more like a mama's boy than a
man. His ignorance is quite apparent.

If he manages to make the trip and back with a viable load of cargo it will
be more due to luck than to skill. I'd sure not bet one plug nickel on his
success. I don't think he's perceptive enough to succeed. I see it all the
time. Dreamers losing their ass because they live more in dreamland than the
real world.

When I saw a picture of his car jacked up on stands above flood level waters
and he was bragging about how he saved it from the flood I had to laugh. Any
sensible man would have moved the damned thing to higher ground well
beforehand. This demonstrates how the man thinks. Too little, too late. Luck
can see him through from time to time but luck will eventually run out.

Greg

On Nov 11, 12:35 pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Nov 10, 3:38 pm, Joe wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:

Do you have a master's ticket Bob?

Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my
cargo.

I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a
custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the
USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect..

Would I install them if they did not? (2005)?

What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured
beyond liability in most places.

WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem?

Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the
air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair?
Thanks
Joe

Hello Joe:

In all sincerity Joe, unless I misunderstood your post, you are going
to a foreign nation, buying 10,000 lbs of XYZ, transporting it with a
vessel, then offload and sell XYZ in the USA. Now unless I missed
something you are selling those beans in the US and NOT using them for
personal consumption, no?

What compounds my concern regarding your plan most is your response
where you: 1) insult my intelligence, 2) question my USCG license/
rating, and used a personal attack typically found at
alt.asa.sailing.

For example, "...Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt
Kangaroo off the air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out
the armchair...?"

With that type of response I wonder how you will treat your customers
or those poor needy children?

Personally, after reading your response I will not buy any of your
beans nor will I recommend anyone else buy your beans. I think what
really speaks most loudly is your internet post history. You have a
rather long track record with a tiresomely predictable pattern.
Bob

Joe's been hanging around alt.sailing.asa for quite some time. He's
demonstrated he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. His attitude is one or
arrogance. His feelings are easily hurt. He's more like a mama's boy than a
man. His ignorance is quite apparent.

If he manages to make the trip and back with a viable load of cargo it will
be more due to luck than to skill. I'd sure not bet one plug nickel on his
success. I don't think he's perceptive enough to succeed. I see it all the
time. Dreamers losing their ass because they live more in dreamland than the
real world.

When I saw a picture of his car jacked up on stands above flood level waters
and he was bragging about how he saved it from the flood I had to laugh. Any
sensible man would have moved the damned thing to higher ground well
beforehand. This demonstrates how the man thinks. Too little, too late. Luck
can see him through from time to time but luck will eventually run out.

Greg- Hide quoted text -

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Well Greg.. better than Wilbur, but a puppet anyhow.

Plonk;

On Nov 11, 11:38 am, Joe wrote:

Well Greg.. better than Wilbur, but a puppet anyhow.

Plonk



Hi Joe:

Aside from the proliferation of personal attacks here, I would like to
add one more thought before I drop this futile thread.

Like Joe, and I suspect many others before us, I had visions of making
my boat pay for its self. Some of the "projects" I researched were the
following:

Sailing lessons: Sole Proprietor Schedule C. I did this and did not
make a profit for three consecutive years. As such I was violating the
SPIRIT of the IRS Hobby Loss condition.

Unispected Passenger Vessel CFR Sub Chapter T and of course 6
passengers Charter Boat: Same problem plus even more regs/insurance.......

I even considered buying one of the 80' Katrina gulf shrippers that
were going for $100k. Now that's a lot of boat for the bucks! Oh, then
haul Christmas trees from PNW down to So Cal.

Don't forget, since my daughter was going to school at U of Hawaii I
thought I would just pack some of my daughters things and "move her to
college" via sailboat. But of course pack in some "extra stuff" that
she could sell at a "yard sale" later. That is even more "legal" than
your project. As you belive, "hey... its MY stuff! I cna do anything I
want to with it!" Very Nieve to belive that.

After reading CFR, IRS, USCG, Customs etc, TO BE SAFE I then went and
talked to: 1) USCG Enforcement, 2) an Admiralty Attorney ($190/hr),
and 3) a CPA who specialized in marine business.

The bottom line I learned is: when that 28 year old in charge of a
USCG boarding party hops aboard your boat its up to her to interpret
the law. They will ALWAYS error on the side of conservative
interpretations. In other words, "if walks like a duck, and quacks
like a duck.... Youre screwed. Cause, your boat is seized, you go to
jail, and you of course loose your coffee. Now you get to fight the
court system to prove your innocence and get the boat back.

It wasn't worth the risk losing the boat I worked my ass off to get.

Dear Joe, you said that you did not know the definition of the IRS
term "Hobby Loss" that means you have many more lessons to learn and
many more land mines to avoid. Another telling statement you made to
me was, "Im on vacation... gonna buy some souvenirs... an take it home..."

BUT other places you are claiming to be a COMPANY and will sell your
beans on e-bay and are seeking donations for poor children. With those
statements on the web you already screwed yourself. You blabbed your
plan on the web! That is evidence fool!

You can not have it both ways......... you re either using 10,000 lbs of
beans for personal use, which is a ridiculous amount for personal use,
or you're a full on coastwise vessel transporting cargo for your
company. You can not have it both ways!

Besides do you really think Foss, Crowley, Tidewater, Hornbeck,
Chouest, Sause, Seacor, SIU, SUP, and IBU are going to let some JIPO
hippy boat wannabe undercut their business?!?!?!? Your dealing with
Tony Sopranno only here the law and USCG are his Paulie Walnuts.

Do it right or don't do it..........................

Bob

On Nov 11, 2:00 pm, Bob wrote:
On Nov 11, 11:38 am, Joe wrote:

Well Greg.. better than Wilbur, but a puppet anyhow.
Plonk

Hi Joe:

Aside from the proliferation of personal attacks here, I would like to
add one more thought before I drop this futile thread.

Like Joe, and I suspect many others before us, I had visions of making
my boat pay for its self. Some of the "projects" I researched were the
following:

Sailing lessons: Sole Proprietor Schedule C. I did this and did not
make a profit for three consecutive years. As such I was violating the
SPIRIT of the IRS Hobby Loss condition.

Unispected Passenger Vessel CFR Sub Chapter T and of course 6
passengers Charter Boat: Same problem plus even more regs/insurance.......

I even considered buying one of the 80' Katrina gulf shrippers that
were going for $100k. Now that's a lot of boat for the bucks! Oh, then
haul Christmas trees from PNW down to So Cal.

Don't forget, since my daughter was going to school at U of Hawaii I
thought I would just pack some of my daughters things and "move her to
college" via sailboat. But of course pack in some "extra stuff" that
she could sell at a "yard sale" later. That is even more "legal" than
your project. As you belive, "hey... its MY stuff! I cna do anything I
want to with it!" Very Nieve to belive that.

After reading CFR, IRS, USCG, Customs etc, TO BE SAFE I then went and
talked to: 1) USCG Enforcement, 2) an Admiralty Attorney ($190/hr),
and 3) a CPA who specialized in marine business.

The bottom line I learned is: when that 28 year old in charge of a
USCG boarding party hops aboard your boat its up to her to interpret
the law. They will ALWAYS error on the side of conservative
interpretations. In other words, "if walks like a duck, and quacks
like a duck.... Youre screwed. Cause, your boat is seized, you go to
jail, and you of course loose your coffee. Now you get to fight the
court system to prove your innocence and get the boat back.

It wasn't worth the risk losing the boat I worked my ass off to get.

Dear Joe, you said that you did not know the definition of the IRS
term "Hobby Loss" that means you have many more lessons to learn and
many more land mines to avoid. Another telling statement you made to
me was, "Im on vacation... gonna buy some souvenirs... an take it home..."

BUT other places you are claiming to be a COMPANY and will sell your
beans on e-bay and are seeking donations for poor children. With those
statements on the web you already screwed yourself. You blabbed your
plan on the web! That is evidence fool!

You can not have it both ways......... you re either using 10,000 lbs of
beans for personal use, which is a ridiculous amount for personal use,
or you're a full on coastwise vessel transporting cargo for your
company. You can not have it both ways!

Besides do you really think Foss, Crowley, Tidewater, Hornbeck,
Chouest, Sause, Seacor, SIU, SUP, and IBU are going to let some JIPO
hippy boat wannabe undercut their business?!?!?!? Your dealing with
Tony Sopranno only here the law and USCG are his Paulie Walnuts.

Do it right or don't do it..........................

Bob

Bob the point I'm making is the boat is not for hire, as I'm carrying
my own cargo. The vessel is un-inspected and the crew is not paid.

I did heed your message and went ahead and applied for a cargo
freight endorsement on my USCG documentation, my vessel was only
registered in the state. The freight endorsement was 29 bucks.

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/vdoc/fees2.htm

Sorry about the Capt Kangaroo remark.. I thought you were another of
Wilbur's puppets.

Joe

On Nov 11, 5:30 pm, Joe wrote:
On Nov 11, 2:00 pm, Bob wrote:





On Nov 11, 11:38 am, Joe wrote:

Well Greg.. better than Wilbur, but a puppet anyhow.
Plonk

Hi Joe:

Aside from the proliferation of personal attacks here, I would like to
add one more thought before I drop this futile thread.

Like Joe, and I suspect many others before us, I had visions of making
my boat pay for its self. Some of the "projects" I researched were the
following:

Sailing lessons: Sole Proprietor Schedule C. I did this and did not
make a profit for three consecutive years. As such I was violating the
SPIRIT of the IRS Hobby Loss condition.

Unispected Passenger Vessel CFR Sub Chapter T and of course 6
passengers Charter Boat: Same problem plus even more regs/insurance.......

I even considered buying one of the 80' Katrina gulf shrippers that
were going for $100k. Now that's a lot of boat for the bucks! Oh, then
haul Christmas trees from PNW down to So Cal.

Don't forget, since my daughter was going to school at U of Hawaii I
thought I would just pack some of my daughters things and "move her to
college" via sailboat. But of course pack in some "extra stuff" that
she could sell at a "yard sale" later. That is even more "legal" than
your project. As you belive, "hey... its MY stuff! I cna do anything I
want to with it!" Very Nieve to belive that.

After reading CFR, IRS, USCG, Customs etc, TO BE SAFE I then went and
talked to: 1) USCG Enforcement, 2) an Admiralty Attorney ($190/hr),
and 3) a CPA who specialized in marine business.

The bottom line I learned is: when that 28 year old in charge of a
USCG boarding party hops aboard your boat its up to her to interpret
the law. They will ALWAYS error on the side of conservative
interpretations. In other words, "if walks like a duck, and quacks
like a duck.... Youre screwed. Cause, your boat is seized, you go to
jail, and you of course loose your coffee. Now you get to fight the
court system to prove your innocence and get the boat back.

It wasn't worth the risk losing the boat I worked my ass off to get.

Dear Joe, you said that you did not know the definition of the IRS
term "Hobby Loss" that means you have many more lessons to learn and
many more land mines to avoid. Another telling statement you made to
me was, "Im on vacation... gonna buy some souvenirs... an take it home..."

BUT other places you are claiming to be a COMPANY and will sell your
beans on e-bay and are seeking donations for poor children. With those
statements on the web you already screwed yourself. You blabbed your
plan on the web! That is evidence fool!

You can not have it both ways......... you re either using 10,000 lbs of
beans for personal use, which is a ridiculous amount for personal use,
or you're a full on coastwise vessel transporting cargo for your
company. You can not have it both ways!

Besides do you really think Foss, Crowley, Tidewater, Hornbeck,
Chouest, Sause, Seacor, SIU, SUP, and IBU are going to let some JIPO
hippy boat wannabe undercut their business?!?!?!? Your dealing with
Tony Sopranno only here the law and USCG are his Paulie Walnuts.

Do it right or don't do it..........................

Bob

Bob the point I'm making is the boat is not for hire, as I'm carrying
my own cargo. The vessel is un-inspected and the crew is not paid.

I did heed your message and went ahead and applied for a cargo
freight endorsement on my USCG documentation, my vessel was only
registered in the state. The freight endorsement was 29 bucks.

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/vdoc/fees2.htm

Sorry about the Capt Kangaroo remark.. I thought you were another of
Wilbur's puppets.

Joe- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

HI Joe:

thanks for the appoogy. Around here not really needed. HOwever, I do
beg your attention! Once you pack stuff on a boat, any boat, with the
intent (or implied) to sell the stuff you are conducting commerce on a
vessel. Just think quacking ducks. Enough said............

Before I end I support your search for profit. Sitting in every galley
of every stinking rig/osv/processor or F/T ive been on the top topic
besides, DUIIs and child support is how to get off that thing and get
rich.

Good luck....................
Bob