On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:13:59 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"Marty" wrote:

Huh? I live at junction of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario, (just
east of Carlton Island on Wolfe Island if want to check it out), I
can
assure you that they travel pretty damn close to the shore here!

Those are "Salties", AKA: Baby boats.

1,000 ft ore boats never see L Ontario.

From what I remember, there are/were no steel mills along the St
Lawrence.

Last time I checked there were 29 lakers that were too big to get out
of the lakes. As for the steel mills the big bulk carriers also haul
coal and stone. There is a market for the coal and stone where there
are no steel mills although the steel mills do use both.

"Richard Casady" wrote:

Last time I checked there were 29 lakers that were too big to get
out
of the lakes. As for the steel mills the big bulk carriers also haul
coal and stone. There is a market for the coal and stone where there
are no steel mills although the steel mills do use both.

The 1,000 ft one are strictly ore boats, which were only a wet dream
until the Eisenhower locks were built at the "Sue" in the late 50s.

The Canadians haul most of the stone and coal using old (small) boats
purchased from US fleets.

Can't think of anyplace along Ontario or St Lawrence that has a use
for either stone or coal.

Alcoa at Massinas/p might use some coal.

Lew

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:42:19 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

Can't think of anyplace along Ontario or St Lawrence that has a use
for either stone or coal.

If you can get it out of the lakes, you can ship the stuff anywhere. I
suppose you wouldn't want to take a self-unloader on the high seas.
You can, however, sell coal and stone anywhere. I could use some of
the stone myself. For the driveway.

Casady

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:03:45 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote this crap:


If you can get it out of the lakes, you can ship the stuff anywhere. I
suppose you wouldn't want to take a self-unloader on the high seas.

Why not? They travel Lake Superior.




I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:19:17 -0500, Bloody Horvath
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:03:45 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote this crap:


If you can get it out of the lakes, you can ship the stuff anywhere. I
suppose you wouldn't want to take a self-unloader on the high seas.

Why not? They travel Lake Superior.

I think mostly the much bigger waves. Ninety foot waves are not
unheard of in the North Atlantic. The Queen Mary had a wave take out
the pilothouse windows and they are more than ninety feet above sea
level. She came close to capsizing. Superior doesn't have waves
originating thousands of miles away adding to the stuff kicked up
within a few hundred miles.

Casady

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:42:19 -0800, Lew Hodgett wrote:


"Richard Casady" wrote:

Last time I checked there were 29 lakers that were too big to get
out
of the lakes. As for the steel mills the big bulk carriers also haul
coal and stone. There is a market for the coal and stone where there are
no steel mills although the steel mills do use both.

The 1,000 ft one are strictly ore boats, which were only a wet dream until
the Eisenhower locks were built at the "Sue" in the late 50s.

it's spelled the "Soo" and the 1000 footers weren't built until the 60's.
I think the "Cort" was the first...

The Canadians haul most of the stone and coal using old (small) boats
purchased from US fleets.

Can't think of anyplace along Ontario or St Lawrence that has a use for
either stone or coal.

Hamilton, ON...home of Stelco or is it now Dofasco? making _lots_ of
steel...they use a little coal there ;-)

Alcoa at Massinas/p might use some coal.

hmmm...Aluminum requires _HUGE_ quantities of electricity, plants are
usually built right next to generating facilities...I hope they aren't
burning coal to produce the electricity for aluminum smelting!!?!