"Richard Casady" wrote:

I believe that aircraft carriers have the biggest wakes. What with
300
000 HP. Freighters, and tankers only come in HP under 100 000, all
single screw diesels, although many are bigger than a flattop. A
submarine at full power on the surface will also move lots of water.

Can't comment on any of the above; however, the bow wave generated by
a 1,000 ft ore boat, loaded out at 60,000 tons of iron ore, can be
felt for miles.

One of the reasons these boats travel in the middle of the lake.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Richard Casady" wrote:

I believe that aircraft carriers have the biggest wakes. What with
300
000 HP. Freighters, and tankers only come in HP under 100 000, all
single screw diesels, although many are bigger than a flattop. A
submarine at full power on the surface will also move lots of water.

Can't comment on any of the above; however, the bow wave generated by
a 1,000 ft ore boat, loaded out at 60,000 tons of iron ore, can be
felt for miles.

One of the reasons these boats travel in the middle of the lake.

Huh? I live at junction of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario, (just
east of Carlton Island on Wolfe Island if want to check it out), I can
assure you that they travel pretty damn close to the shore here!

Cheers
Marty

"Marty" wrote:

Huh? I live at junction of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario, (just
east of Carlton Island on Wolfe Island if want to check it out), I
can
assure you that they travel pretty damn close to the shore here!

Those are "Salties", AKA: Baby boats.

1,000 ft ore boats never see L Ontario.

From what I remember, there are/were no steel mills along the St
Lawrence.


Lew

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:13:59 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"Marty" wrote:

Huh? I live at junction of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario, (just
east of Carlton Island on Wolfe Island if want to check it out), I
can
assure you that they travel pretty damn close to the shore here!

Those are "Salties", AKA: Baby boats.

1,000 ft ore boats never see L Ontario.

From what I remember, there are/were no steel mills along the St
Lawrence.

Last time I checked there were 29 lakers that were too big to get out
of the lakes. As for the steel mills the big bulk carriers also haul
coal and stone. There is a market for the coal and stone where there
are no steel mills although the steel mills do use both.

"Richard Casady" wrote:

Last time I checked there were 29 lakers that were too big to get
out
of the lakes. As for the steel mills the big bulk carriers also haul
coal and stone. There is a market for the coal and stone where there
are no steel mills although the steel mills do use both.

The 1,000 ft one are strictly ore boats, which were only a wet dream
until the Eisenhower locks were built at the "Sue" in the late 50s.

The Canadians haul most of the stone and coal using old (small) boats
purchased from US fleets.

Can't think of anyplace along Ontario or St Lawrence that has a use
for either stone or coal.

Alcoa at Massinas/p might use some coal.

Lew

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:42:19 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

Can't think of anyplace along Ontario or St Lawrence that has a use
for either stone or coal.

If you can get it out of the lakes, you can ship the stuff anywhere. I
suppose you wouldn't want to take a self-unloader on the high seas.
You can, however, sell coal and stone anywhere. I could use some of
the stone myself. For the driveway.

Casady

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:03:45 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote this crap:


If you can get it out of the lakes, you can ship the stuff anywhere. I
suppose you wouldn't want to take a self-unloader on the high seas.

Why not? They travel Lake Superior.




I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:42:19 -0800, Lew Hodgett wrote:


"Richard Casady" wrote:

Last time I checked there were 29 lakers that were too big to get
out
of the lakes. As for the steel mills the big bulk carriers also haul
coal and stone. There is a market for the coal and stone where there are
no steel mills although the steel mills do use both.

The 1,000 ft one are strictly ore boats, which were only a wet dream until
the Eisenhower locks were built at the "Sue" in the late 50s.

it's spelled the "Soo" and the 1000 footers weren't built until the 60's.
I think the "Cort" was the first...

The Canadians haul most of the stone and coal using old (small) boats
purchased from US fleets.

Can't think of anyplace along Ontario or St Lawrence that has a use for
either stone or coal.

Hamilton, ON...home of Stelco or is it now Dofasco? making _lots_ of
steel...they use a little coal there ;-)

Alcoa at Massinas/p might use some coal.

hmmm...Aluminum requires _HUGE_ quantities of electricity, plants are
usually built right next to generating facilities...I hope they aren't
burning coal to produce the electricity for aluminum smelting!!?!

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Marty" wrote:

Huh? I live at junction of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario, (just
east of Carlton Island on Wolfe Island if want to check it out), I
can
assure you that they travel pretty damn close to the shore here!

Those are "Salties", AKA: Baby boats.

1,000 ft ore boats never see L Ontario.

From what I remember, there are/were no steel mills along the St
Lawrence.



Well, there are no steel mills on the St Lawrence, but there's plenty of
iron ore pellets transported there. Remember the Edmund Fitzgerald?

You're right, not 1000 ft, but 800' pretty damn close, 25,000 tons or
more of cargo.

You were the one who wrote
" One of the reasons these boats travel in the middle of the lake"

Sure they spend some time in the middle of the lake, but only if the
shortest distance from A to B puts them there for a while.

Cheers
Marty

"Marty" wrote:


Well, there are no steel mills on the St Lawrence, but there's plenty of
iron ore pellets transported there. Remember the Edmund Fitzgerald?

If there are no steel mills, where is the iron ore going?

Great Lakes ore boats are not designed to handle ocean waters.

Remember the "Fitz" quite well. Got the opportunity to go on board once as a
guest of my distributor who was delivering parts.

Even then, the "Fitz" was a very mature boat.


You're right, not 1000 ft, but 800' pretty damn close, 25,000 tons or more
of cargo.

As I said, a baby boat, especially when you consider 60,000 tons is the
normal 1,000 ft cargo, assuming enough water in the lakes to support 25 ft
draft..

Sure they spend some time in the middle of the lake, but only if the
shortest distance from A to B puts them there for a while.

Take a look at a lake chart, Erie for example.

Mid lake courses are well marked and followed.

Most of the small pleasure boats stay out of the middle of the lake.

Lew